4 minutes ago, coco said:

Who is top of your list to bring in on a permanent basis ? And which (if any) interim between ? Remember to take into account the transfer ban, and the fact we may still reach next seasons CL.

Why not Frank Lampard and Jody Morris as his number 2? If the transfer ban is upheld it is the perfect opportunity to integrate the younger players with there being little/ no expectation on whoever the new manager is, so if it is Lamps there would not be the immediate pressure to succeed. With Sarri at present, it seems clear he does not want to play CHO, Christensen and Ampadu, and there is little reason to believe he will do so next season.

To me anyway it feels likeit could be a good opportunity to build something that is sustainable for the foreseeable. 

Just now, drjonesy1994 said:

Why not Frank Lampard and Jody Morris as his number 2? 

For the same reasons thrown at Sarri every day on these forums, "not won anything as a manager" ?

If you wanted a manager who's guaranteed to not get booed when were 1 point away from 3rd and last 8 in Europe, Lampard is the man.

5 minutes ago, drjonesy1994 said:

 

To me anyway it feels likeit could be a good opportunity to build something that is sustainable for the foreseeable. 

Don't call for Sarri to be sacked, then go on about rebuilding something sustainable, no manager would ever get enough time, we are not patient enough as a club or fans.

9 minutes ago, Argo said:

I'm far from a member of the "must play the youth" club but integrating the best of our current generation needs to be considered a priority to Sarri or anyone who we replace him with (for that reason I wouldn't actually be opposed to giving Holland a chance, he's making Southgate look like a world class manager) because we have the best set of young players this country has seen since the class of 92.

You don't think the club will actually go down that route do you ?

14 minutes ago, coco said:

For the same reasons thrown at Sarri every day on these forums, "not won anything as a manager" ?

If you wanted a manager who's guaranteed to not get booed when were 1 point away from 3rd and last 8 in Europe, Lampard is the man.

But what i am saying is Lampard won't have the immediate pressure to succeed if there is a transfer ban and it is the perfect chance to build something long term. That also ties in to your other reply about sustainability. Yes i agree that the board at current does not give managers enough time, but the transfer ban could be the thing that forces the board to change their approach.

44 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

People didn't think the Chelsea kits were nice enough to warrant spending £60 on? 

I don’t think any kit is worth paying £60 for.

6 minutes ago, Munkworth said:

I don’t think any kit is worth paying £60 for.

Not even if it's going to be worth more in years to come ? The 96 away shirt goes for £200 at the moment, plenty of other CFC shirts from 80s 90s in the same price bracket.

10 minutes ago, drjonesy1994 said:

But what i am saying is Lampard won't have the immediate pressure to succeed if there is a transfer ban and it is the perfect chance to build something long term. That also ties in to your other reply about sustainability. Yes i agree that the board at current does not give managers enough time, but the transfer ban could be the thing that forces the board to change their approach.

I have already suggested it could happen, but i doubt it mate.

2 minutes ago, coco said:

I have already suggested it could happen, but i doubt it mate.?

Whatever happens this Summer, whether Sarri stays or goes, or whether the transfer ban is upheld or not, it seems like this summer could be the clubs biggest and most important for a long time. 

41 minutes ago, coco said:

Not even if it's going to be worth more in years to come ? The 96 away shirt goes for £200 at the moment, plenty of other CFC shirts from 80s 90s in the same price bracket.

Then pick it up at the end of the season for a fraction of the price, bigger profit margin too. 

53 minutes ago, coco said:

Not even if it's going to be worth more in years to come ? The 96 away shirt goes for £200 at the moment, plenty of other CFC shirts from 80s 90s in the same price bracket.

Wow, that's gotta be a signed shirt surely.

4 minutes ago, Kev56 said:

Wow, that's gotta be a signed shirt surely.

Not signed shirts, just normal shirts. rare to get hold of means expensive.

1 hour ago, Argo said:

I'm far from a member of the "must play the youth" club but integrating the best of our current generation needs to be considered a priority to Sarri or anyone who we replace him with (for that reason I wouldn't actually be opposed to giving Holland a chance, he's making Southgate look like a world class manager) because we have the best set of young players this country has seen since the class of 92.

Holland would be my choice all day. JT as his number 2. I think he would be ideal to take the club forward. He knows the club inside out, he has a great connection with the youth team players, and while he hasn't been the manager, he has been assistant manager for 2 European cups, 2 league titles, an fa cup, and a league cup. 

I know some assistant managers haven't been able to make the transition, like Brian Kidd, Mike phelan, or even AVB (although he did well with Porto). So it would be a gamble. We dont really know what style he would implement, I think he would be pretty flexible though, possibly switching between 343, 433, and 4231. 

He isnt the biggest name in terms of attracting players, but JT on the coaching staff would be a big draw, and to be quite Frank, we dont shop at harrods anymore anyway. 

Back on sarri, I'm finding it increasingly harder to believe he is the right man. He just doesnt seem to want to gamble. Team selections are predictable and safe, surely there is a way to be true to his philosophy whilst tweaking the formation and/or players, in order to find a balance that gets results. Is he stubborn or just scared? I think he could have us playing better if he was prepared to drop players that are underperforming, and mix things up a little bit. 

We are struggling to score goals, so why not start a game with 4231 and get another attacker on from the beginning? Why not give Christiansen, Emerson, RLC, CHO, and even giroud a decent run in the league? Results and performances have been dire, the fan base is turning on you, what is there to lose? 

Frustrating because I was one of the posters that really wanted him here, but he just he doesnt seem to want to help himself.

1 hour ago, coco said:

Don't call for Sarri to be sacked, then go on about rebuilding something sustainable, no manager would ever get enough time, we are not patient enough as a club or fans.

One point does not necessarilly contradict the other. Yes, we're spoiled and fickle bunch, that's what years of following a successful club does to you, same with any other club of that stature.

Doesn't mean we have to keep around someone like Sarri just as a matter of principle. If he's the wrong man for the job, and many, myself included, are convinced he is, then why persevere? 

10 minutes ago, abramovich said:

One point does not necessarilly contradict the other. Yes, we're spoiled and fickle bunch, that's what years of following a successful club does to you, same with any other club of that stature.

Doesn't mean we have to keep around someone like Sarri just as a matter of principle. If he's the wrong man for the job, and many, myself included, are convinced he is, then why persevere? 

Simple answer. Look at the table, the top two clubs by a country mile are both giving their managers time and support to build title contending teams, and both looked like a long way from that after 7 months in the job. Spuds also have given time to Poch, and without their stint at Wembley i think they would be closer to the top two. So unless Sarri has a disaster, which the league position says were not, then we should give him time too.

2 hours ago, Ewell CFC said:

Arsenal who sold more shirts than us last year. 

Maybe their growing support has got something to do with a commitment to attractive football over the years?

They’ve won f..k  all except the FA Cup which is no great shakes these days, so what else could be the reason.

I wasn’t aware of an open revolt by Man U fans towards Mourinho, on a verbal mass chanting scale ala Sarri, ditto Wenger - time to go Arsene banners, bit of pro/ anti strife between fans but nothing at the level we are witnessing at the moment with our lot IMO

I think they sold more shirts because their support is so wet, they think its cool to dress up as a walking advert for the club shop on match day. Our match going support knows better and has some old skool class.

4 minutes ago, chi blue said:

I think they sold more shirts because their support is so wet, they think its cool to dress up as a walking advert for the club shop on match day. Our match going support knows better and has some old skool class.

Fair point.

10 minutes ago, abramovich said:

Doesn't mean we have to keep around someone like Sarri just as a matter of principle. If he's the wrong man for the job, and many, myself included, are convinced he is, then why persevere? 

Excactly. Longevity is great if you hire the right manager. But if you have the wrong one i absolutely can't see one good reason why one should persist with that one manager for the sake of "giving him time" or what not.

I don't think Real Madrid regret that they sacked Benitez after a few months and brought in Zidane to use that as an example. I really dislike this notion (by some) that if you don't support the manager you are some second-hand, moaning supporter. I believe we just want the best for the club. That's certainly how it is for me.

He simply isn't the man to take us forward. He's incredibly sh*t with youth and we will lose CHO if Sarri stays as manager. And with the transfer ban and Hazard likely leaving that would be a disaster.
He's also quite sh*t in the transfer market. He's one of relatively few Chelsea-managers who's been given his two first-choice players in his first season at the club and both of them have been poor overall.

Surely even the Sarri-supporters would have expected to see some signs of progression to keep him on at this point? We've looked worse and worse for months on end now.
 

Not a great argument for me as about 10 of those wins came against the likes of Malmo, Dynamo, Mol Vidi, Paok and Bate.

Conte however played Barcelona, Atletico, Roma and one poor team in Quarabaq in Europe.

16 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Not a great argument for me as about 10 of those wins came against the likes of Malmo, Dynamo, Mol Vidi, Paok and Bate.

Conte however played Barcelona, Atletico, Roma and one poor team in Quarabaq in Europe.

Conte had Costa from day one, Sarri had Morata.

Conte had Terry as captain, Sarri has Azpilcueta, the silent one.

2 hours ago, drjonesy1994 said:

Whatever happens this Summer, whether Sarri stays or goes, or whether the transfer ban is upheld or not, it seems like this summer could be the clubs biggest and most important for a long time. 

Seems to me we said this same thing last year at this time?

Just now, coco said:

Conte had Costa from day one, Sarri had Morata.

Conte had Terry as captain, Sarri has Azpilcueta, the silent one.

Sarri actually have a leader in Cahill as captain - then he proceeded to freeze him out completely leaving him with Azipi. His own doing entirely.

And sure Conte had a better striker to begin with. But Sarri was able to pick his striker himself come january and he's been no upgrade on Morata either.

2 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Sarri actually have a leader in Cahill as captain - then he proceeded to freeze him out completely leaving him with Azipi. His own doing entirely.

And sure Conte had a better striker to begin with. But Sarri was able to pick his striker himself come january and he's been no upgrade on Morata either.

Also, Conte adjusted to fit the players he had.

Sarri is forcing players into his style.

27 minutes ago, Boston Blue said:

Seems to me we said this same thing last year at this time?

Yeah you're probably right there to be honest