22 minutes ago, Boston Blue said:

Also, Conte adjusted to fit the players he had.

Sarri is forcing players into his style.

He certainly did. He said this at his very first press-conference here actually:

"The coach is a tailor who must make the best dress for the team. Last season in 10th was a bad season, but we must think to the present."

That was very refreshing. Sarri could learn a thing or ten.

 

Eurosport : Hudson-Odoi will ‘probably start’ against Brighton - https://www.eurosport.com/football/premier-league/2018-2019/callum-hudson-odoi-will-probably-start-against-brighton_sto7211711/story.shtml

Eurosport is pretty sure Sarri goes. "Sarri will almost certainly depart in the summer..." 

 

Yes Conte adjusted to the players he had, by changing into the formation he always employed at Juve, then keeping it last season when everyone wanted him gone because it wasn't working. 

28 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Sarri actually have a leader in Cahill as captain - then he proceeded to freeze him out completely leaving him with Azipi. His own doing entirely.

Yeh nothing to do with Cahill having his best days behind him. He was never getting into the team ahead of Luiz, Christensen or Rudiger regardless of his leadership abilities and this is yet another made up stick to beat him with.

Edited April 2, 20197 yr by Stim

“They have to help the players during the match, after the match they can say anything."

I hate this ‘the fans must inspire the team’ bullsh*t. How about you motivate your players and set them up to give the fans something they can get behind? Two way street. 

2 minutes ago, Stim said:

Yeh nothing to do with Cahill having his best days behind him. He was never getting into the team ahead of Luiz, Christensen or Rudiger regardless of his leadership abilities and this is yet another made up stick to beat him with.

So? JT's best days were far behind him as well when Conte got here. Hence why he barely played.

But Conte had the brains to keep him right in the middle of things in the dressing room, in training and as an integral part of the squad.

Sarri however completely shafted Cahill, barely spoke to him and have ghosted him all season long. And thats a player that has won more trophies at this club than our manager will ever dream of touching in his entire trophy-less career.

 

So annoying twice we try to implement attacking football and it backfires. AVB came at a wrong time, (John Terry + high line lol) Sarri isn’t good enough.

I really wish we got it right because I would love to see great football. 

20 minutes ago, Sindre said:

He certainly did. He said this at his very first press-conference here actually:

"The coach is a tailor who must make the best dress for the team. Last season in 10th was a bad season, but we must think to the present."??  

Well he certainly didn't take his own advice in the second season.

2 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

So annoying twice we try to implement attacking football and it backfires. AVB came at a wrong time, (John Terry + high line lol) Sarri isn’t good enough.

I really wish we got it right because I would love to see great football. 

The club and fans aren't patient. These things take time to perfect, especially when most players in a side aren't suited to a technical style of football which involves making smart off the ball movement and one touch football.

Genuinely good players should be able to adapt to any system, not just look good in one specific type. I feel some of these players have been made to look better than they are from previous systems. To me that's a sign of a player who is not good enough tactically or technically.

If the club genuinely want a change of style, then it's obvious that time is needed to do this. Problem is, everything has come at the wrong time for us. Impeding transfer ban, more competition in the league for 4th place, wrong players for the system.

It is either focus on rebuilding the team and system or continue to do what we did with limited future success. We have lost too many good players for the hire and fire strategy to continue to work. On top of that there's better managers and better run clubs now, so much more competition for trophies. 

6 minutes ago, Argo said:

Well he certainly didn't take his own advice in the second season.

We soon found out how good Conte was last season when he didn't have the players he wanted at his disposal.

Sarri has had one hand tied behind his back before the season even started and still we are 1 point off 4th, 3 points off 3rd and have a great chance of reaching the semis of the Europa league. 

I think Sarri has been unfairly criticised ever since he got to the club. From his age, his system, to having no trophies etc. Nobody seemed to even give him a chance and it was like he was almost set up to fail.

On top of that he now has to deal with the pent up frustration (from years of youth being neglected by the club themselves) from fans calling for youth to play - CHO specifically. 

However, he certainly isn't a perfect manager by any means, but no manager is. They all have faults. 

Edited April 2, 20197 yr by enigma

4 minutes ago, Argo said:

Well he certainly didn't take his own advice in the second season.

Well, the main problem was that we sold quality players and replaced them with dross. If we had actually bought the players Conte wanted us to get we'd be the best team in the league now as well.
 

1 minute ago, enigma said:

We soon found out how good Conte was last season when he didn't have the players he wanted at his disposal.

Imagine talking like this about a manager who won us a league-title and an FA-cup in two seasons at the club.

2 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Imagine talking like this about a manager who won us a league-title and an FA-cup in two seasons at the club.

Yes I was harsh there. I do appreciate what he did during his time here. However, I do think that season the league was a lot easier with Liverpool and City so far off being as strong as they are now. I think any coach, even Conte, would be in no better situation with our current team than Sarri is this season. 

21 minutes ago, coco said:

Simple answer. Look at the table, the top two clubs by a country mile are both giving their managers time and support to build title contending teams, and both looked like a long way from that after 7 months in the job. Spuds also have given time to Poch, and without their stint at Wembley i think they would be closer to the top two. So unless Sarri has a disaster, which the league position says were not, then we should give him time too.

I've already mentioned it in the past, but I'll say it again. Pep and Klopp had winning resumes that spoke for them. Sarri doesn't. He's won nothing to date and looks devoid of ideas. There are worrying signs all over: tactical naivety, suicidal stubbornness, sticking with the same underperforming players no matter what, inability to change things around during games and we've been witnessing all of it for quite some time without even a shred of improvement. Two of the players he wanted (Jorginho, Higuain) look very poor signings and aren't suited to EPL. His approach to games is exactly the same, no matter what team we're facing, which is batsh*t crazy, if you think about it. Does the man even analyze various opponents, their strengths and weaknesses, their key players and tactics? Because it doesn't seem that he does. The same with our set pieces preparation on both ends, our panic mode defending whenever we concede possession and our inability to do anything useful with it on the attacking end when we do have the ball. The mental fragility of this side is well-documented, too. He hasn't improved a single player since arrival and they all look confused, exhausted and frustrated as the season progresses and our struggles continue.

Why on earth would we want to give him more time? To prove to the world that we're not as fickle as they think we are? f**k that. Our short termism won us more trophies than any other club in the country over the last fifteen years. I bet Arse fans would swap our short termism for the last ten years of Wenger in a second. As for Spuds and Poch, if we to discuss the "almost winners' ?, him finishing second in EPL couple of years ago and generally staying competitive and regularly finishing in the CL places is a much bigger accomplishment in my eyes than Sarri's second in Serie A. Pochettinho had to do it year after year in a much tougher league with his competitors having considerably more money to spend. By the way, Napoli is currently second behind Juve, just like last season. Doesn't seem like they're missing Sarri much.

6 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Imagine talking like this about a manager who won us a league-title and an FA-cup in two seasons at the club.

Wow. Did he also win every tackle, create all the chances, and put the goal nets up himself too?

Just now, Ewell CFC said:

Wow. Did he also win every tackle, create all the chances, and put the goal nets up himself too?

No but he's one of four Chelsea-managers in our entire history that has won us the league. I prefer to give him credit instead of using him as some kind of prop to defend our current trophy-less manager.

50 minutes ago, Munkworth said:

“They have to help the players during the match, after the match they can say anything."

I hate this ‘the fans must inspire the team’ bullsh*t. How about you motivate your players and set them up to give the fans something they can get behind? Two way street. 

The boos, chants and songs weren't meant for the players...…….

9 minutes ago, abramovich said:

I've already mentioned it in the past, but I'll say it again. Pep and Klopp had winning resumes that spoke for them.

So are you suggesting we only employ managers who have won in top leagues in Europe ? And we completely neglect to look at any others ? 

We won silverware despite short-termism of managers, not becasue of it. We won all that silverware because of 5-6 world class legends, Terry Lampard, Cech,Drogba,Cole.......not the dam managers.

22 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Well, the main problem was that we sold quality players and replaced them with dross. If we had actually bought the players Conte wanted us to get we'd be the best team in the league now as well.

Which quality players? Matic and Costa were long past by then it infact the latter's been so bad back at Leti Simeone turned to Morata, although admittedly we ballsed up with the replacements.

I'll give Conte all the credit in the world for the first season and to a certain extent the first half of season two, but if i look at the second half of that season i would say that cup run aside was the worst spell for a manager here in the modern era apart from the obvious meltdown period under Jose (infact in some ways i would say worse as Jose was still committed to the job in that period even if he did get almost everything wrong), Conte constantly wore the expression i had at age 6 when i was told  i couldn't have a biscuit).

42 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

So annoying twice we try to implement attacking football and it backfires. AVB came at a wrong time, (John Terry + high line lol) Sarri isn’t good enough.

I really wish we got it right because I would love to see great football. 

Agree with this, but with those players, winning immediately was the expectation.  We change managers so frequently, we can never get enough players to fully fit their systems.   And even the board knows that managers at Chelsea have a 2-3 year shelf life, so the board simply buy the players they want without regard to who might end up managing them.

4 minutes ago, coco said:

despite short-termism of managers, not becasue of it. We won all that silverware because of 5-6 world class legends, Terry Lampard, Cech,Drogba,Cole.......not the dam managers.

So Mourinho was just a bit of nuisance for us then? Didn't matter much if he managed us or not?
Because i'll remind you that the players that you've mentioned there disagrees with you:

Joe Cole:
'From the moment he came in, you could sense this guy was going to take the club on to that next level,' 

'Frank was such a warrior but he didn't realise how good he was. Maybe him saying that to Frank, as soon as he said it, Frank's shoulders just went back and you got 10 per cent more out of him.

'He went on to become one of the exceptional midfielders of his generation. He knew what to say to get things out of different people.'

JT:
"He was the best manager, and the best coach as well. He did everything."

"He knew how to get every last bit out of everyone."

“I would give everything for him. I would leave that pitch in a coffin for him and every player felt the same.”

“Mentally and psychologically, he had us from day one. We bought in to whatever he was going to deliver that day and he was the same when he came back.

“Having his presence there was enough. He had his eyes on everyone and when he speaks no one messes about or plays with a ball. You listen to him, he was the boss.

 

And this was just a few examples from a couple of the players. So come again about the "damn managers" ?

4 minutes ago, coco said:

So are you suggesting we only employ managers who have won in top leagues in Europe ? And we completely neglect to look at any others ? 

We won silverware despite short-termism of managers, not becasue of it. We won all that silverware because of 5-6 world class legends, Terry Lampard, Cech,Drogba,Cole.......not the dam managers.

Couldn’t agree more. It’s a team sport, where the best 11 players normally win.

Somebody has to pick the starting 11, decide the formation and tactics; but this modern obsession that everything good or bad that happens on the park is somehow down to the gaffer is mostly bollox.

Anyone mentions a team fronted by Di Matteo that won the Champions League, or the Tinkerman and Leicester’s Premiership, and there’s the usual “ It was a fluke” response.

Id like to see Jose, Pep, and the High God Conte try their luck with no dough at Bolton Wanderers. See just how great they are with sh*t players.

 

3 minutes ago, Sindre said:

So Mourinho was just a bit of nuisance for us then?

So are you saying Terry Lampard Cech Drogba Cole..... were not good enough to win without Mourinho ? Pretty alarming statement coming from a Chelsea fan.

3 minutes ago, Ewell CFC said:

Id like to see Jose, Pep, and the High God Conte try their luck with no dough at Bolton Wanderers. See just how great they are with sh*t players.

The evil part of me would like to see Conte go to Spurs and they decide to do a documentary like Sunderland and City did, him and Levy would be reality TV worthy.

7 minutes ago, Sindre said:

So Mourinho was just a bit of nuisance for us then? Didn't matter much if he managed us or not?
Because i'll remind you that the players that you've mentioned there disagrees with you:

Joe Cole:
'From the moment he came in, you could sense this guy was going to take the club on to that next level,' 

'Frank was such a warrior but he didn't realise how good he was. Maybe him saying that to Frank, as soon as he said it, Frank's shoulders just went back and you got 10 per cent more out of him.

'He went on to become one of the exceptional midfielders of his generation. He knew what to say to get things out of different people.'

JT:
"He was the best manager, and the best coach as well. He did everything."

"He knew how to get every last bit out of everyone."

“I would give everything for him. I would leave that pitch in a coffin for him and every player felt the same.”

“Mentally and psychologically, he had us from day one. We bought in to whatever he was going to deliver that day and he was the same when he came back.

“Having his presence there was enough. He had his eyes on everyone and when he speaks no one messes about or plays with a ball. You listen to him, he was the boss.

 

And this was just a few examples from a couple of the players. So come again about the "damn managers" ?

Yes!  And Lampard once said that early on, Jose put his hand around his shoulder and told him he could be the best midfielder in the world.  Frank said it filled him with the confidence he needed to work hard and prove Jose right.

2 minutes ago, coco said:

So are you saying Terry Lampard Cech Drogba Cole..... were not good enough to win without Mourinho ? Pretty alarming statement coming from a Chelsea fan.

Well, they sure didn't win the league under Ranieri(Terry, Lampard, Cole) who came before or Avram Grant or Filipe Scolari or Guus Hiddink or Villas Boas who came after did they?

So i'd just suggest you go read up on what players that have played under Mourinho have said about what he did for them and the club and have a hard rethink about what you said.
Because it's quite simply a foolish belief you have and one that's a bit embarrasing frankly.