1 hour ago, Qaz said:

Can anyone name a (Chelsea) player whom Sarri has improved?

If I'm stretching it, Rudiger and Luiz have had good season's but neither have done what we didn't already know they were capable of.

I think Jorginho has upped his game under Sarri. 

Mate now is definitely not the time to be resting our superstars. We don’t have a clear margin in the race for fourth  
As for Sarri [emoji35]
Doesn’t play in form players 
Doesn’t play the best players in their position 
Doesn’t have a plan B
Overall an arrogant, stubborn deaf man who just doesn’t give a sh*t
 

It was the best time to rest them. We have a massive run-in coming up.

a) We don't have in-form players
b) subjective
c) I've seen both a deeper system and a switch to 4-2-3-1, what exactly is your definition of a plan B?

4 hours ago, venom2011 said:

 

 

It was the best time to rest them. We have a massive run-in coming up.

a) We don't have in-form players
b) subjective
c) I've seen both a deeper system and a switch to 4-2-3-1, what exactly is your definition of a plan B?
 

 

You must be watching something different to the rest of us

a) RLC and CHO are in far better form than their counterparts 

b) everybody in the world, yes the world can see that Kante is played out of position. Probably explains why we’ve conceded so many goals

c) Plan B, I think your again watching a different team, our team is predicable. Same system, same rotation, same players = same result 

d) what not defending his arrogance? Stubbornness? Overall care factor?

7 hours ago, teampjta said:

Mate now is definitely not the time to be resting our superstars. We don’t have a clear margin in the race for fourth  

So when must they be rested ? The away game against United? A europa league semi final ?

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Doesn’t play the best players in their position 

Apart from Kante (which i assume you want him as a dm, a position he doesn't play in) who isn't played in position?

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Doesn’t have a plan B

Weird, you'd think taking off Jorginho and putting on a far more direct RLC would count as changing tactics. Remember when we played false nine for a bit?

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Overall an arrogant, stubborn deaf man who just doesn’t give a sh*t

How would you know any of this is true. Its just personal attack for the sake of it and is just childish.

 

I'm not even some super fan of the guy but seriously some people have a very personal vendetta for some reason.

1 hour ago, teampjta said:

b) everybody in the world, yes the world can see that Kante is played out of position. Probably explains why we’ve conceded so many goals

despite shipping 6 in one game, we have the third best defence in the league. 

14 hours ago, chiefBlueCFC said:

Sarri has to be the most polarizing manager we've had since Roman took over? I know Benitez was not enjoyed and AVB was not a good one either, but I feel like the fan base wasn't as split like it is when it comes to the other managers. I could be wrong of course, but just how it appears to be from where I am sitting./

In all the years I've been going to Chelsea, and that goes back to the 82/83 season when we nearly went down to the old division 3, never heard our support so loud and pationate about wanting a manager out than on Sunday, I don't dislike the bloke, just think he's out his depth, should never ever been anywhere near this job, it's as if when the interviews for the job were taking place, he accidentally went in the wrong room and found himself getting interviewed, and just thought what the heck, I will just blag it and see what happens.

2 hours ago, Stim said:

So when must they be rested ? The away game against United? A europa league semi final ?

Apart from Kante (which i assume you want him as a dm, a position he doesn't play in) who isn't played in position?

Weird, you'd think taking off Jorginho and putting on a far more direct RLC would count as changing tactics. Remember when we played false nine for a bit?

How would you know any of this is true. Its just personal attack for the sake of it and is just childish.

 

I'm not even some super fan of the guy but seriously some people have a very personal vendetta for some reason.

People don't have a personal vendetta aginst Sarri. They just vent their frustration at someone who clearly has no business being a manager in a top club. Sarri's incompetence is the biggest reason we're struggling to make it into the top four. Yes, we have issues with the squad, but we're much better than what we've seen so far. You could argue that we're not as good as City or Liverpool, but we have more than enough quality to finish third or fourth, if our squad is managed properly. Solskjaer replacing Jose is a great example. Prior to that they looked hopeless and stagnant and many United fans were moaning about how sh*t and imbalanced their squad was. Suddenly change happens, the new manager comes in, turns things around dramatically and it's like completely different side now. Exactly the same squad, the same season, just a different man with different ideas, someone who knows how to get the best out of this particular group of players at this moment in time. We've seen enough of Sarri to realize by now he'll never be that man. He has a motivational ability of a wet blanket, and as for tactics, his Plan A is sh*t and his Plan B is: if Plan A isn't working, just stick with it and hope for a miracle.

Edited April 2, 20197 yr by abramovich

1 hour ago, Stim said:

So when must they be rested ? The away game against United? A europa league semi final ?

Apart from Kante (which i assume you want him as a dm, a position he doesn't play in) who isn't played in position?

Weird, you'd think taking off Jorginho and putting on a far more direct RLC would count as changing tactics. Remember when we played false nine for a bit?

How would you know any of this is true. Its just personal attack for the sake of it and is just childish.

 

I'm not even some super fan of the guy but seriously some people have a very personal vendetta for some reason.

So based on you’re response your happy and content with the way our team is playing?

As for the resting question, why is this even a topic of conversation??? Shouldn’t he have rotated accordingly throughout the year?

What about Cho & RLC? You seem to just conveniently skipped that. These are two of our best and brightest, that are consistently making way for mediocre at best (out of form) players

As for Kante, arguably the BEST in his position, has been made to play out of position, I’d like to hear you’re logic behind this decision. 

As for tactics, NO I don’t believe subbing Jorginho our for RLC counts as a tactical master stroke. If anything the man  is very consistent in this department, he is unwavering in his substitutions, he ...... wait for it......... is very very very predictable, consistently subbing the same like for like players. On the odd occasion he may change it up. When has he started with a different tactic?

I do wonder if he actually game plans for the opposition? Based on his consistently I’d say that would be a resounding NO,

The problem with Sarri is that he truly believes that “Sarriball” is the be all or end all, that type of arrogance and ignorance is the reason we are we’re we are, unfortunately for us and given Sarris consistent and predictable one sided game plan (NO PLAN B) it hasn’t taken long for opposition managers to figure us out. 

As for a personal agenda, NO I wanted him like all of our managers to succeed, I was excited yet reserved when we appointed Sarri. I was naturally concerned that he hadn’t put the runs on the board, nonetheless I was still willing to support the man. It’s Sarri who hasn’t shown us or the club the same respect and professionalism. It’s hard enough seeing our season fall away, but I like most Chelsea supporters draw the line at alienating our future and current stars, all because he doesn’t want to adjust!!!

9 minutes ago, abramovich said:

People don't have a personal vendetta aginst Sarri.

I'm talking specifically about people who call him arrogant, stubborn, doesn't give a sh*t etc etc etc. All just basically name calling based on nothing.

Especially the reasons people make up for how he uses CHO when they delve into deep psychoanalysis.

 

24 minutes ago, teampjta said:

So based on you’re response your happy and content with the way our team is playing?

No.

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As for the resting question, why is this even a topic of conversation??? Shouldn’t he have rotated accordingly throughout the year?

He has, for cup games. But we are entering another busy period with less and less 'easy' games. So we gonna complain when he does rotate, and when he doesn't rotate.

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What about Cho & RLC? You seem to just conveniently skipped that. These are two of our best and brightest, that are consistently making way for mediocre at best (out of form) players

That would require me to think the other players are mediocre at best. Actually how did I skip it when you didn't even mention them

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As for Kante, arguably the BEST in his position, has been made to play out of position, I’d like to hear you’re logic behind this decision. 

What is his position. But you moved the goalposts, you said playerS when he only plays Kante in a different position he is used to but I suspect you want Kante at DM. Another out of position place for him.

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As for tactics, NO I don’t believe subbing Jorginho our for RLC counts as a tactical master stroke. If anything the man  is very consistent in this department, he is unwavering in his substitutions, he ...... wait for it......... is very very very predictable, consistently subbing the same like for like players. On the odd occasion he may change it up. When has he started with a different tactic?

I didn't call it a masterstroke. I just said switching them is a change in tactics. Do you think RLC plays ANYTHING like Jorhingho? Its a very clear 'just get at them' change because that is what RLC does. He started with a different tactic every time Hazard played false 9.

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As for a personal agenda, NO I wanted him like all of our managers to succeed, I was excited yet reserved when we appointed Sarri. I was naturally concerned that he hadn’t put the runs on the board, nonetheless I was still willing to support the man. It’s Sarri who hasn’t shown us or the club the same respect and professionalism.

Just. What.

I think I'm done here, I ended up line by line replying to a response that involved a lot of things I didn't even mention in my initial reply and did what I expected where suddenly I'm treated like I'm some huge Sarri fan who thinks he can do no wrong 

Edited April 2, 20197 yr by Stim

2 hours ago, Stim said:

Apart from Kante (which i assume you want him as a dm, a position he doesn't play in) who isn't played in position?

Alonso at left back 

It’s very difficult to argue with a lot of the criticism directed towards him, however the bloke manage an away win. ( virtue of Lady Luck)

I know of a few people that went, and no doubt joined the Sarri out chants because they don’t rate him, and these are loyal time served supporters, but it does make me think that we have become a very fickle bunch. 

Were there anti Mourinho chants when he was screwing up at Old Trafford and elsewhere?

I can’t think of any of the top 6 , all of whom have suffered ups and downs in the recent decade or so, who’ve given it to a manager the way Sarri is getting it now.

Im not saying our football is pretty at the moment, but I also think out of the big six, we are the only club whose fans tolerate boring football providing it brings home the bacon. City, Liverpool, United, Arsenal, Spurs, even flaming West Ham, expect a certain style of football.

We don’t seem to give a monkeys. I recall some cretin on here recently stating he’d be delighted with an entire season of 1-0 victory’s if it resulted in us winning the League.

Weve become fairweather, fickle, supporters. What ever happened to Cheer us on through the Sun and Rain, Win or Loose up the Blues?

 

 

5 minutes ago, Ewell CFC said:

Im not saying our football is pretty at the moment, but I also think out of the big six, we are the only club whose fans tolerate boring football providing it brings home the bacon. City, Liverpool, United, Arsenal, Spurs, even flaming West Ham, expect a certain style of football.

Unless it's in the Champions League of course... I think van Gaal was right on the money regarding Man Utd under Solskjaer. I have no idea where this myth that Solskjaer has suddenly turned Man Utd into the swashbuckling, free-flowing side of old (and even that wasn't always the case) has come from. It just adds further credibility to the idea that English fans have no earthly clue what they're talking about when it comes to football and simply see what they want to see. Throw in the latest buzzword a few times and you're golden!

Sorry, I just read that back and it sounds really harsh - that wasn't intended as a criticism of you but as a criticism of football fans in general. 

5 minutes ago, Ewell CFC said:

but I also think out of the big six, we are the only club whose fans tolerate boring football providing it brings home the bacon. 

But that's the subjective bit. 

The football we played under Conte and Mourinho winning the recent titles, for me, was far from boring. 

And having won titles with us and played good football those managers had a lot of good will in the bank with the fans so that's why they were willing to show patience with them, 

Sarri's never got us playing great football. Start of the season was okay but the cracks were evident from day one, the home win over Arsenal they tore us open all game long as an example. Since October the football has been woeful with a couple of exceptions... So Sarri's never built up much good will with the fans and that's why, in my opinion, they've shown a lot less patience with Sarri despite predecessors having worse seasons.  

30 minutes ago, Stim said:

suddenly I'm treated like I'm some huge Sarri fan who thinks he can do no wrong 

I know that feeling.

9 minutes ago, Ewell CFC said:

Were there anti Mourinho chants when he was screwing up at Old Trafford and elsewhere?

Yes.

 

10 minutes ago, Ewell CFC said:

I can’t think of any of the top 6 , all of whom have suffered ups and downs in the recent decade or so, who’ve given it to a manager the wa?y Sarri is getting it now.

Wenger was getting dogs abuse for years at Arsenal before he finally left.

 

10 minutes ago, Ewell CFC said:

I recall some cretin on here recently stating he’d be delighted with an entire season of 1-0 victory’s if it resulted in us winning the League

That was me. Absolutely no need for any name calling. We are not even playing exciting football to compensate for our lack of competitiveness this season. I, and many others have said that if Sarri was giving us reason to be optimistic for the future then we would be more patient now. But right now it is dull, turgid and predictable week in week out. 

Football is a sport, and the ultimate end game for any sport is to win or at least compete for trophies. Some fans are clearly willing to sacrifice that for exciting football which is funny considering how boring and dull we are to watch at the moment.

Yes i agree that Pep and to an extent Klopp have had success playing attacking football, but i seriously resent this notion that our recent title wins have been masterminded by counter-attacking football. Mourinho 14-15, the first half of that season we were blowing teams away and winning games convincingly. We got walloped by Spurs at Christmas and Mourinho changed things for the second half of the season to make sure we got over the line. Conte 16-17, that season as a whole was some of the best football i have ever seen at Chelsea, particuarly that 13 game winning run we went on.

The minute we as a club decide that we want style over success is the minute we become Arsenal. 

Arsenal who sold more shirts than us last year. 

Maybe their growing support has got something to do with a commitment to attractive football over the years?

They’ve won f..k  all except the FA Cup which is no great shakes these days, so what else could be the reason.

I wasn’t aware of an open revolt by Man U fans towards Mourinho, on a verbal mass chanting scale ala Sarri, ditto Wenger - time to go Arsene banners, bit of pro/ anti strife between fans but nothing at the level we are witnessing at the moment with our lot IMO

Edited April 2, 20197 yr by Ewell CFC

6 minutes ago, Ewell CFC said:

Arsenal who sold more shirts than us last year. ?

When's the open top bus parade?

33 minutes ago, Ewell CFC said:

Arsenal who sold more shirts than us last year. 

They’ve won f..k  all except the FA Cup which is no great shakes these days, so what else could be the reason.

People didn't think the Chelsea kits were nice enough to warrant spending £60 on? 

It feels a bit like Brexit, all these MPs say "no dont want that", but you never hear what they do want (realistically).

To the 111 who voted out, i am interested to know.....

Who is top of your list to bring in on a permanent basis ? And which (if any) interim between ? Remember to take into account the transfer ban, and the fact we may still reach next seasons CL.

 

 

 

I've actually got some doubts on whether Sarri is the right man to take us forward, however some of the mental gymnastics on display to turn him into the villian for every little thing is mind-blowing.

You wanted more flexibility, well in the last three games he's done what you've (talking the average fan) wanted he's changed his approach mid game while trailing and in two of them we ended up recovering.

Conte messed up his relationship with the players, then went on record (press conference after press conference) trying to blame the club, all Conte had left on his side were the fans, you can't blame the club for that mess.

TAKE NOTE: Conte didn't messed up his relationship with the players and there is no fact to back that up. But everyone knows he has a bad relationship with only the players who thought they are bigger than the manager and the team.

If i said to you last summer when Sarri came in, ...that on April 1st we would be 1 point away from 3rd place, and a free passage into the S/F of the Europe League, but the fans were singing Sarri out Sarri out ! You would wonder what i was on! It does sound mad. In fact it sounds like most peoples expectation.

So it must just be the performances not being entertaining enough, which i do agree it has been very dross. But that doesn't change the fact we are probably on course for most peoples predication.

6 minutes ago, coco said:

It feels a bit like Brexit, all these MPs say "no dont want that", but you never hear what they do want (realistically).

To the 111 who voted out, i am interested to know.....

Who is top of your list to bring in on a permanent basis ? And which (if any) interim between ? Remember to take into account the transfer ban, and the fact we may still reach next seasons CL.

I'm far from a member of the "must play the youth" club but integrating the best of our current generation needs to be considered a priority to Sarri or anyone who we replace him with (for that reason I wouldn't actually be opposed to giving Holland a chance, he's making Southgate look like a world class manager) because we have the best set of young players this country has seen since the class of 92.