5 minutes ago, Boston Blue said:

Yes!  And Lampard once said that early on, Jose put his hand around his shoulder and told him he could be the best midfielder in the world.  Frank said it filled him with the confidence he needed to work hard and prove Jose right.

Exactly.

I didn't even bother getting the quotes for the rest of them as i figured they'd get the point by now but maybe not.

 

3 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Exactly.

I didn't even bother getting the quotes for the rest of them as i figured they'd get the point by now but maybe not.

 

Yeah, makes Sarri's lack of similar man management skills look like a glaring weakness......

10 minutes ago, coco said:

So are you saying Terry Lampard Cech Drogba Cole..... were not good enough to win without Mourinho ? Pretty alarming statement coming from a Chelsea fan.

I think a lot of Chelsea supporters would think exactly that @coco.

I'm no fan of Mourinho now, but when he first came to Chelsea he was exceptional. Completely revolutionized us as a club and made us a team of winners. Despite how good those players were, if Ranieri had remained in charge, the chances are we wouldn't have won the league. Jose made us winners and improved all those players and then credit to them, they just carried on getting better & better.

 

 

8 minutes ago, Sindre said:

bit embarrasing frankly.

 get a grip, if thats embarrassing you have yet to live,

28 minutes ago, coco said:

So are you suggesting we only employ managers who have won in top leagues in Europe ? And we completely neglect to look at any others ? 

We won silverware despite short-termism of managers, not becasue of it. We won all that silverware because of 5-6 world class legends, Terry Lampard, Cech,Drogba,Cole.......not the dam managers.

No, that's not what I'm saying so I'll repeat it one more time. In any business, not just professional football, if you've already achieved success somewhere else, you'll be given more time and more leeway on a new top position than someone who hasn't, it's a simple logic and common sense. If things are tough in the beginning, you can always say, don't worry, I know what I'm doing. And they'll tend to believe you, because once again, you proved yourself a winner in the past. Sarri doesn't have that luxury. Chelsea managerial position is a high pressure job where you don't get points for trying hard and failing. He needed to show that he's capable of handling that pressure and demonstrate his ability to improve the team as the season went on. He did anything but.

So according to you, the managers did't play any part in winning our silverware. OK, that's one of the most ridiculous statements I've read here. And if managers don't matter, why do you care about our short termism and whether we stick with Sarri or not? If it's all down to players, what difference does it make who's in charge and how often do they come and go?

Ok i give in, sack Sarri, sack him now, then we can move on and give our fickle as f**k supporters another manager, sick of hearing this moaning, can we just do six month contracts for new managers in future,? no point giving anything over a season, just chucking the bucks down the drain.

SARRI OUT !

There, feel better ?

Just now, coco said:

 get a grip, if thats embarrassing you have yet to live,

In terms of football it is. So, so wrong and honestly incredibly unfair to our greatest manager ever who's done so much for this club. As the players themselves has said too.

Sarri out, !!!

Just now, Sindre said:

In terms of football it is. So, so wrong and honestly incredibly unfair to our greatest manager ever who's done so much for this club. As the players themselves has said too.

ohh the drama of it, 

Just now, coco said:

can we just do six month contracts for new managers in future,?

Surely we can just skip it all together since they don't mean much anyways? 

You lot just need to have a go at Ancelotti and Ted Drake now and you've managed to put down every league-winnning Chelsea-manager.

"Fans"

Sarri out !

26 minutes ago, abramovich said:

OK, that's one of the most ridiculous statements I've read here. And if managers don't matter, why do you care about our short termism and whether we stick with Sarri or not? If it's all down to players, what difference does it make who's in charge and how often do they come and go??

Now thats a great question.

6 hours ago, coco said:

It feels a bit like Brexit, all these MPs say "no dont want that", but you never hear what they do want (realistically).

To the 111 who voted out, i am interested to know.....

Who is top of your list to bring in on a permanent basis ? And which (if any) interim between ? Remember to take into account the transfer ban, and the fact we may still reach next seasons CL.

 

 

 

..

I think this thread is getting to a place where rationality is coming second to proving the point.

Let me settle a few things;

Mourinho was amazing for us, and he was also a burden.  You can say he left him mark on this club in a fashion that lifted us up to new heights his first era, and his second brought us to new lows (for the Roman era).  Both are true, and any attempt to write one side out of history is just not accurate.

Conte might have the same winning % as Sarri, but consider how terrible the second season was and then remember how amazing the first season had to be in order for the two to balance to what Sarri's season is % wise. Conte's win % came voer two seasons that included one with a double in the trophy cabinet. That fact adds a lot of context to the statistic. He too lifted us up, and when it became clear the board directed him as opposed to him directing the board he stopped trying for anything other than a payout.  Motivated and hungry Conte was amazing for us, but the not interested in being here Conte was not much better than disaster Mourinho..... I am curious about one earlier post saying Sarri has had one hand tied behind his back that Conte didn't have to deal with....what exactly would that be?

Now Sarri.... has he been absolutely dire (at times, yes) overall? Not in results even if it feels so in performances.  Has he done enough to really give anyone hope that he could, without a massive squad overhaul, turn things around for next season? Not really..... lucky him this overhaul is needed regardless.

I can see why people support Sarri.  I can see why people want him gone yesterday.  He has a difficult task of changing how we play.  He has done himself no favors in trying to win himself time by winning the support of the clubs supporters and the squad (it seems).  He has been treated harshly by fans, but he has also had sharp words for the fans at numerous times.  He doesn't have to act diplomatically with the fans when it comes to topics passionate to the fans, but you pay the price if you don't by losing the kind of support that can carry people through bad periods of performances & results.  If you're going to be stubborn with the fans then you better bring in results to support your stance..... and by results, I mean earn them and not rely on awful officiating to get them.

Sarri has shown he can setup the team for success in big games, and he has also shown a willingness to make the same mistakes over and over and over and over because he feels the only thing that couldn't possible be wrong is his strategy....it's always how it's implemented, but he seems to refuse to consider that there might be limitations outside his control this season to how feasibly it can be implemented and thus he needs to adjust accordingly......will that change next season? Either his mindset or his circumstances must if we expect to see different results.

 

Personally if I'm Roman I'm giving conditions for Sarri to be here next season. 

One is to guarantee CL football next season either via the BPL or EL.

Two is that CHO & RLC (fitness pending) start half the remaining BPL games at a minimum.  Does Sarri feel that impedes his ability to deliver on condition one?  Too bad. You've had over 3/4's of a season to prove you can do it with the rest of the squad, and that's led to where we are.  I don't even care if we qualify for CL next season if in the process we end up losing academy product players who look like they could actually be important first team players for years and years to come. Sarri says he needed a winger to be sold to give CHO more minutes, but I feel an edict from the owner is good enough.

Get that far and we'll discuss expectations for next season pending what goes on over the summer.

2 hours ago, Boston Blue said:

The boos, chants and songs weren't meant for the players...…….

I’m fully aware (with the exception of Jorginho) but you’d be a fool to think it doesn’t have a negative effect on the players on the pitch. 

David Luiz has a habit of waving his arms trying to get the fans to sing up, when we’re playing half-decently fair enough but with performances recently I just think ‘give us something we can get behind’. 

Still, I don’t join in the negativity. I’d rather keep my mouth shut. 

Constructive criticism of our most successful managers doesn't mean you're ignoring their successes or that you're any less of a fan. You can love Mourinho for his first stint while despising him for his second.

You can also point out how Conte came in and completely changed the system and we walked the league yet stuck with it last season when we were frankly awful and every team we played against had found us out. Exactly what people are complaining at Sarri for.

3 minutes ago, Barry Bridges said:

 

Conte might have the same winning % as Sarri, but consider how terrible the second season was and then remember how amazing the first season had to be in order for the two to balance to what Sarri's season is % wise. Conte's win % came voer two seasons that included one with a double in the trophy cabinet. That fact adds a lot of context to the statistic. He too lifted us up, and when it became clear the board directed him as opposed to him directing the board he stopped trying for anything other than a payout.  Motivated and hungry Conte was amazing for us, but the not interested in being here Conte was not much better than disaster Mourinho..... I am curious about one earlier post saying Sarri has had one hand tied behind his back that Conte didn't have to deal with....what exactly would that be?

Now Sarri.... has he been absolutely dire (at times, yes) overall? Not in results even if it feels so in performances.  Has he done enough to really give anyone hope that he could, without a massive squad overhaul, turn things around for next season? Not really..... lucky him this overhaul is needed regardless.

1. Conte was better in his worst season compared to Mourinho in his worst season, by far.

2. Conte didn't stop trying, he won the FA Cup at the very end of the second season and then got sacked, thus proving that he knew his job and that the board simply didn't fancy him anymore.

3. Conte came in and won the league in his first season, without bringing in any of his favorite players he just adapted and crushed the league (Sarri came in with one of his favorite players and got another old favorite at the half of the season), the board didn't give much support when he was crying out for new big signings, even so Conte fully backed the signings of Emerson,Rudiger and Morata, the last one was supposed to replace Costa and become a new first choice striker which on paper had it worked out would have been amazing since Morata was a young player at the time, but it showed that it was a bad decision.

 

Whatever you think about Jose, Conte, and Sarri one thing is clear: Sarri is the least capable manager out of the last 3. Now if Conte by winning still got sacked, why would any fan support the worst manager that so far isn't hinting that he can win anything at all?
If there is a standard for that, Sarri isn't even close to make a case for himself at this point, only if he wins Europa league at the end or by a miracle gets into Champions League you could argue that he managed to get something out of his first season.

4 hours ago, coco said:

Conte had Costa from day one, Sarri had Morata.

Conte had Terry as captain, Sarri has Azpilcueta, the silent one.

Conte won things even though he was a moaning mini, Sarri couldn't win a raffle, people go on about we could still finish in top 4 and win the Europa, please they need to wake up and smell the roses.

4 minutes ago, chi blue said:

Conte won things even though he was a moaning mini, Sarri couldn't win a raffle, people go on about we could still finish in top 4 and win the Europa, please they need to wake up and smell the roses.

He was one kick away from winning the league cup.

11 minutes ago, Argo said:

He was one kick away from winning the league cup.

Yes and if had any authority and bollox would have hauled Kepa off and put one of the best penalty saving keepers in the world on the pitch for the shoot out. But no, he starts to walk towards the tunnel in a hissy fit as if his mum has just said he can't go back out to play after tea.

1 hour ago, Munkworth said:

I’m fully aware (with the exception of Jorginho) but you’d be a fool to think it doesn’t have a negative effect on the players on the pitch. 

David Luiz has a habit of waving his arms trying to get the fans to sing up, when we’re playing half-decently fair enough but with performances recently I just think ‘give us something we can get behind’. 

Still, I don’t join in the negativity. I’d rather keep my mouth shut. 

I get it, but supporters are frustrated, they spend good money home and away, and how else are they supposed to voice their displeasure?  I keep reading about the abundance of available tickets for upcoming matches, so some people are making their feelings known by staying away.

1 minute ago, Boston Blue said:

I keep reading about the abundance of available tickets for upcoming matches, so some people are making their feelings known by staying away.

Some of us want the loyalty points because with seasons like this there’s a chance of getting my season ticket back 

On 01/04/2019 at 18:50, robdog said:

Well done, you do like to tease, don't you 

25 minutes ago, Valerie said:

Well done, you do like to tease, don't you 

one can make money w/ a lil' tease

5 hours ago, coco said:

Ok i give in, sack Sarri, sack him now, then we can move on and give our fickle as f**k supporters another manager, sick of hearing this moaning, can we just do six month contracts for new managers in future,? no point giving anything over a season, just chucking the bucks down the drain.

SARRI OUT !

There, feel better ?

You know it makes sense Rodney