4 minutes ago, Zeta said:

What is the best of Jorginho? I don't see how he suited to the PL at all. He doesn't have any pace or any strength, his passing isn't even that good.

I agree Zeta. I think that he has been so exposed by his lack of quality in the EPL that even when he moves on (hopefully sooner rather than later), and probably back to Italy, that teams that he plays against will know that if he is pressed quickly when he recievies the ball the guy is very limited in what he can do. We’ll be lucky to get him off our hands at anything close to what we paid.

Although it wasn’t obvious to me iniatially how poor he was, when teams found him out I believe he is one of the worst players to wear a Chelsea shirt. I mean that as a player who is a regular week in week out and maybe even the first name on Sarris team sheet.

4 minutes ago, goose said:

I agree Zeta. I think that he has been so exposed by his lack of quality in the EPL that even when he moves on (hopefully sooner rather than later), and probably back to Italy, that teams that he plays against will know that if he is pressed quickly when he recievies the ball the guy is very limited in what he can do. We’ll be lucky to get him off our hands at anything close to what we paid.

Although it wasn’t obvious to me iniatially how poor he was, when teams found him out I believe he is one of the worst players to wear a Chelsea shirt. I mean that as a player who is a regular week in week out and maybe even the first name on Sarris team sheet.

Im not a Jorghino apologist, but our players don't move off the ball quickly enough or effectively enough for Jorghino (or even Cesc, if he was still here) to pass effectively.  

I know Sarri wants to play with this Regista type of player, but that does not work in the Premier League.  Over 31 games, it has proven to be a liability, being very easy for teams to counter the tactic and disrupt us.  It weakens us defensively, and while Kante has played well wide, I'd rather have a goal scoring threat in that position.

What is the best of Jorginho? I don't see how he suited to the PL at all. He doesn't have any pace or any strength, his passing isn't even that good.

Watch that City game again in the Carabao cup final and you will see there is more to his game than what we are currently seeing from him. I have seen him create chances with some incredible lofted pass which was eventually not converted though by Willian and the other time by Higuain. The reason why we are not yet seeing his best is because Sarri prefers him playing the typical Sarriball which means he has to pass the ball immediately when he receive a pass. And that seems to hold him back from showing us what he can do with the ball when he has the time to control it and look forward in other to play that Fabregas-like pass which Costa always dream of.
We are never going to get back the money we paid Napoli for him, so I prefer we keep him because a new manager will come and play Kante in his right position and Jorginho in a more forward position which will give him the freedom to show and realize his potential.

Witty each passing game the cries get a little bit louder. 

The man isn’t capable of changing this team into what he feels we should be. In continuing to do so our performances are getting worse and the crowds are becoming more hostile towards him.

the sooner he is gone the better

5 minutes ago, Chelsbear said:

Witty each passing game the cries get a little bit louder. 

The man isn’t capable of changing this team into what he feels we should be. In continuing to do so our performances are getting worse and the crowds are becoming more hostile towards him.

the sooner he is gone the better

pun intended?

Just now, Chelsbear said:

Witty each passing game the cries get a little bit louder. 

The man isn’t capable of changing this team into what he feels we should be. In continuing to do so our performances are getting worse and the crowds are becoming more hostile towards him.

the sooner he is gone the better

I think he might be the only manager who has both the home fans and the traveling fans against him and still keeps his job.

It's a disaster he's still here.

7 hours ago, Chelsbear said:

Witty each passing game the cries get a little bit louder. 

The man isn’t capable of changing this team into what he feels we should be. In continuing to do so our performances are getting worse and the crowds are becoming more hostile towards him.

the sooner he is gone the better

He said the supporters yelling anti Sarri chants were disappointed that the team were losing.  Uh no. They were angry to once again travel and be forced to watch wretched football. 

He needs to go, Sarriball is awful and we were lucky to get anything yesterday against Cardiff. We’ve been playing awful for a while now and the guys got zero plan b. 

We’re also gonna lose CHO because of him. Best hope to keep him is to get someone in who’ll play him now. 

I also think we won’t win the Europa League with this guy in charge but we’d have a better chance with someone else.

22 minutes ago, Bobbywoodhogan said:

He needs to go, Sarriball is awful and we were lucky to get anything yesterday against Cardiff. We’ve been playing awful for a while now and the guys got zero plan b. 

We’re also gonna lose CHO because of him. Best hope to keep him is to get someone in who’ll play him now. 

I also think we won’t win the Europa League with this guy in charge but we’d have a better chance with someone else.

Spot on, every morning and evening I wait for the announcement that he's gone, and everyday day I'm left disappointed. What the hell are the club waiting for, this bloke needs to go back to Italy, way out of his depth.

The club is still involved in a legal battle with Conte over his compensation. I'm sure they were desperate for Sarri to come good but it looks like we'll have to spend even more of the payoff money and soon because our current manager is a clear downgrade on the previous one. It's a disaster.

2 hours ago, Bobbywoodhogan said:

He needs to go, Sarriball is awful and we were lucky to get anything yesterday against Cardiff. We’ve been playing awful for a while now and the guys got zero plan b. 

We’re also gonna lose CHO because of him. Best hope to keep him is to get someone in who’ll play him now. 

I also think we won’t win the Europa League with this guy in charge but we’d have a better chance with someone else.

It all revolves around the question who that somebody else should be. Zola? He's a legend as a player,  hardly as a manager, and possibly too tied up with Sarri. Steve Holland gets frequently mentioned, but why on earth would he want to leave the England set-up for the hornets nest that is the CFC manager's position, caretaker or permanent?

4 minutes ago, Valerie said:

Steve Holland gets frequently mentioned, but why on earth would he want to leave the England set-up for the hornets nest that is the CFC manager's position, caretaker or permanent?

If it was on a care-taker basis until the end of the season it would be relatively risk free from his point of view. He would have 5-6 league games to manage plus the EL games. He knows the club and knows the players, i am sure he would come in, play the players we all want to be playing (RLC, CHO, Christensen) and just focus on doing the basic's well and lift the mood around the club.

If it goes well then he would have announced himself of being capable of being a manager, and he probably returns to the England set up. If it doesn't go well, then it was just on a temporary basis and he would still return to the England set up. 

If i was Steve Holland i would bite your hand off for the chance to manage this Chelsea side for 8-12 games at the end of the season. 

6 minutes ago, drjonesy1994 said:

If it was on a care-taker basis until the end of the season it would be relatively risk free from his point of view. He would have 5-6 league games to manage plus the EL games. He knows the club and knows the players, i am sure he would come in, play the players we all want to be playing (RLC, CHO, Christensen) and just focus on doing the basic's well and lift the mood around the club.

If it goes well then he would have announced himself of being capable of being a manager, and he probably returns to the England set up. If it doesn't go well, then it was just on a temporary basis and he would still return to the England set up. 

If i was Steve Holland i would bite your hand off for the chance to manage this Chelsea side for 8-12 games at the end of the season. 

The theory is nice and attractive, he'd be a popular choice. But as far as I'm aware he has always been an assistent manager, not being ultimately responsible, and that inexperience might be a problem. And he might know the club a bit too well, so he may decide he doesn't need the stress 

1 minute ago, Valerie said:

The theory is nice and attractive, he'd be a popular choice. But as far as I'm aware he has always been an assistent manager, not being ultimately responsible, and that inexperience might be a problem. And he might know the club a bit too well, so he may decide he doesn't need the stress 

I could be wrong on this but i think he managed us very briefly between Mourinho being sacked and Hiddink being appointed in 15-16. It may have only been for one or two games though. But yes i agree he has primarily been an Assistant manager.

Speaking of Hiddink, i reckon Uncle Guus has been patiently waiting by his phone, having dug out his blue and white tie, since mid Feb ?

1 minute ago, drjonesy1994 said:

I could be wrong on this but i think he managed us very briefly between Mourinho being sacked and Hiddink being appointed in 15-16.

He had one game I think and joins Ray Wilkins in the 100% win rate club, esteemed company indeed!

2 minutes ago, Munkworth said:

He had one game I think and joins Ray Wilkins in the 100% win rate club, esteemed company indeed!

Yeah just checked. A 3-1 win over Sunderland before Hiddink took charge. 

He's fast becoming unbearable, after 80 minutes yesterday I was thinking if this is what's going to take to send him packing, I'll take the result. We are going backwards game after game, last time we had a comfortable win was against Huddsfield. The same non performers kept getting picked, those who are making an effort either not picked at all or only get cameos. The comment he made about CHO prior game was just non sense and completely unnecessary.

I don't think the club are going to sack Sarri between now and the end of the season. 

If they were going to sack him at any point it would have been after the Bournemouth and Man City thrashings. 

I think Sarri will see out the season and regardless of what happens between now and may he'll leave the club and probably take the Roma job. 

We've seen no progress under Sarri. There's no evidence this season that he is capable of implementing his blueprint on the team and his lack of flexibility in team selections and tactics means he isn't the right person to take us forward. 

6 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

I think Sarri will see out the season and regardless of what happens between now and may he'll leave the club and probably take the Roma job. 

I imagine there's a good chance (although admittedly my understanding of these things is fairly limited) that we can avoid a severance package if we shift him off to Roma rather than sacking him outright. 

Why are we penny pinching nowadays? It’s not like we have a stadium being built or anything!

Also surely it’s worth taking the risk in sacking Sarri now and hope we get in CL? Therefore we will get money, more than enough to pay off Sarri.

Instead we’re going to accept whatever happens this season and then hope Sarri joins Roma so we don’t have to pay him off. Jeez we’re a f*cking mess.

I read that the pay off is only £5m which isn’t too much. However with Conte’s pay off still to be decided, I doubt the club will want to do it. 

It seems that Sarri going or not will depend on whether he can get CL football and how much emphasis the club have placed on it. I would think it would have been a huge objective and if it fails, it will be bye bye.

I'm still surprised the club hired him given he hadn’t won a trophy.  It goes against every other manager decision we’ve done in the Roman era   

 

31 minutes ago, PloKoon13 said:

I imagine there's a good chance (although admittedly my understanding of these things is fairly limited) that we can avoid a severance package if we shift him off to Roma rather than sacking him outright. 

Mutual termination of his contract probably. 

Would make a transition to Roma easier and quicker. Sarri doesn't get a pay off but he's not caught in limbo like he was at Napoli before joining Chelsea. Meaning he'd get a full pre-season. 

Perhaps that's all just wishful thinking on my part though. 

27 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

Why are we penny pinching nowadays? It’s not like we have a stadium being built or anything!

Don't think we're penny pinching.

We dropped a world record fee for a goalkeeper on Kepa. Spent a further £60m on Jorginho to give Sarri the best chance of implementing his playing style on the team. 

Even last season, we still spent big but just went for quantity rather than quality. 

That said I'm of the opinion that Roman is open to selling the club and I wouldn't be entirely surprised if Jim Ratcliffe bought the club in the summer. 

1 hour ago, ForeverCarefree said:

I don't think the club are going to sack Sarri between now and the end of the season. 

If they were going to sack him at any point it would have been after the Bournemouth and Man City thrashings. 

I think Sarri will see out the season and regardless of what happens between now and may he'll leave the club and probably take the Roma job. 

We've seen no progress under Sarri. There's no evidence this season that he is capable of implementing his blueprint on the team and his lack of flexibility in team selections and tactics means he isn't the right person to take us forward. 

My concern is that he has implemented his blueprint....and it is horrible, it's this sh!te we've now got

17 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Don't think we're penny pinching.

We dropped a world record fee for a goalkeeper on Kepa. Spent a further £60m on Jorginho to give Sarri the best chance of implementing his playing style on the team. 

Even last season, we still spent big but just went for quantity rather than quality. 

That said I'm of the opinion that Roman is open to selling the club and I wouldn't be entirely surprised if Jim Ratcliffe bought the club in the summer. 

I wonder how much longer it will be until the fans actually start demanding it. 

Roman has failed us as an owner for the past 2-3 years in my opinion. We've failed to hire a DoF, we've failed to cement any form of transition between youth and senior side, we've failed to create an identity, we aren't building a new stadium whilst our 3 London rivals have bigger stadiums than ours, we hire managers who think incredible short term - that has to be coming from the top. For me I don't want to sack Sarri because I think that at least there is an outside chance he turns it around instead of what comes instead - a slide into mediocrity. There isn't a good manager out there who will take on the job right now and with everything else around the club I can't see us being in the top 2-3 for the next few years.

A lot of our thicker fans push the blame onto Marina. Our more reasonable ones, the manager. For me as great as Roman has been for so long, he's been asleep at the wheel. 

22 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

I wonder how much longer it will be until the fans actually start demanding it. 

Roman has failed us as an owner for the past 2-3 years in my opinion. We've failed to hire a DoF, we've failed to cement any form of transition between youth and senior side, we've failed to create an identity, we aren't building a new stadium whilst our 3 London rivals have bigger stadiums than ours, we hire managers who think incredible short term - that has to be coming from the top. For me I don't want to sack Sarri because I think that at least there is an outside chance he turns it around instead of what comes instead - a slide into mediocrity. There isn't a good manager out there who will take on the job right now and with everything else around the club I can't see us being in the top 2-3 for the next few years.

A lot of our thicker fans push the blame onto Marina. Our more reasonable ones, the manager. For me as great as Roman has been for so long, he's been asleep at the wheel. 

Almost all of that has nothing to do with Roman. 

He's puts the likes of Bruce Buck and Marina Granovskaia in place to make decisions on how to run the club. I don't for a second think Roman is personally saying "don't hire a new DoF". 

Not pushing ahead with the stadium rebuild I think is because he's made a decision to try and sell the club. Roman allegedly values the club in the region of £2.5b, burdening a potential buyer with a £1b stadium build is going to make the club a hard sell, so that's why I think they've binned it. 

I mean to say Roman has failed us in the last 3 years is hyperbole given we won the title a couple of years ago. I think the club messed up their relationship with Conte and then didn't give him the means to build on the title win. Instead of parting ways when they were unhappy with him they let a toxic atmosphere fester to the detriment of the club. 

I think the club has/had an identity. I think we made a name for ourselves being a tough side to break down that was great on the counter attack. If anything the Sarri appointment has left us with an identity crisis.