21 hours ago, Bobbywoodhogan said:

How is it? You’re voting for change but it isn’t your job to decide what that change is. You’re not paid to do so and any suggestions you made wouldn’t be listened to anyway. Same as with changing the manager, it’s not a fans job to find an alternative. Also just because someone cant think of an alternative doesn’t mean we should stick with Sarri, just because a fan can’t think of an alternative.

I voted remain anyway.

What if there isn't a top manager available? What are the club supposed to do then? Hire someone who doesn't fit, just because the fans insist on a change? What happens when that new guy then fails, will fans be blaming themselves for unwisely demanding a change, or will they just blame the board for not finding the non-existent unicorn they wanted?

21 hours ago, Bobbywoodhogan said:

How is it? You’re voting for change but it isn’t your job to decide what that change is. You’re not paid to do so and any suggestions you made wouldn’t be listened to anyway. Same as with changing the manager, it’s not a fans job to find an alternative. Also just because someone cant think of an alternative doesn’t mean we should stick with Sarri, just because a fan can’t think of an alternative.

I voted remain anyway.

The point isn't to find an alternative, the point is the alternatives don't meet fans criteria. Javi Gracia, Nuno, Steve Holland, Frank lampard

These are our replacements, none of them have won anything. None of them have a proven style. They aren't big names. 

Someone suggested the Ajax manager which is laughable as he's essentially the new Sarri! 

Brexit was silly because people wanted change but didn't realise change = something worse. They just wanted change. Sarri outers are the same. 

It's fine to not like sarri, I think Sarrimainers just like to make the point that they would dislike the alternatives just as much.

3 hours ago, Kentonio said:

What if there isn't a top manager available? What are the club supposed to do then? Hire someone who doesn't fit, just because the fans insist on a change? What happens when that new guy then fails, will fans be blaming themselves for unwisely demanding a change, or will they just blame the board for not finding the non-existent unicorn they wanted?

But whose to say that manager isn’t out there? Just because we can’t think of one doesn’t mean that manager doesn’t exist. This is my whole point we’re not the people employed with the knowledge to go out & find the right person. 

2 hours ago, bisright1 said:

The point isn't to find an alternative, the point is the alternatives don't meet fans criteria. Javi Gracia, Nuno, Steve Holland, Frank lampard

These are our replacements, none of them have won anything. None of them have a proven style. They aren't big names. 

Someone suggested the Ajax manager which is laughable as he's essentially the new Sarri! 

Brexit was silly because people wanted change but didn't realise change = something worse. They just wanted change. Sarri outers are the same. 

It's fine to not like sarri, I think Sarrimainers just like to make the point that they would dislike the alternatives just as much.

Again see above on the list of names.

Sarri hasn’t won anything either let’s not forget.

Personally I don’t think they can part with Sarri right now cause by target standards he’s met them. But that doesn’t mean he’s the right man.

As for people voting for change that’s within their rights to do so. Just because we don’t know the right alternatives doesn’t mean we should settle for what we’ve got. 

3 minutes ago, Bobbywoodhogan said:

But whose to say that manager isn’t out there? Just because we can’t think of one doesn’t mean that manager doesn’t exist. This is my whole point we’re not the people employed with the knowledge to go out & find the right person. 

Again see above on the list of names.

Sarri hasn’t won anything either let’s not forget.

Personally I don’t think they can part with Sarri right now cause by target standards he’s met them. But that doesn’t mean he’s the right man.

As for people voting for change that’s within their rights to do so. Just because we don’t know the right alternatives doesn’t mean we should settle for what we’ve got. 

But I do know the alternatives. I listed them. There aren't any others!

I listed them because when you write them down it's obvious they aren't absolutely an improvement on Sarri. In each and every case I think they'd be worse. Incidentally I think Holland lampard and Nuno would think twice before joining us and the Ajax manager 150% wouldn't join us after seeing us sack sarri after a season with two finals and a 3rd place in the league!

4 minutes ago, Bobbywoodhogan said:

Sarri hasn’t won anything either let’s not forget.

Lets also not forget that Juventus dominate Italian Football. In Sarri's last season at Napoli, Napoli got 91 points, the first time in serie A history a team got more than 90 points and did not win the league. 

8 minutes ago, kiwi1691 said:

Lets also not forget that Juventus dominate Italian Football. In Sarri's last season at Napoli, Napoli got 91 points, the first time in serie A history a team got more than 90 points and did not win the league. 

Sounds very scouse-like.

What if there isn't a top manager available? What are the club supposed to do then? Hire someone who doesn't fit, just because the fans insist on a change? What happens when that new guy then fails, will fans be blaming themselves for unwisely demanding a change, or will they just blame the board for not finding the non-existent unicorn they wanted?

Who told you there is no top manager available?

I think it's important to support the manager and players. I don't agree with the negativity directed towards Sarri because he isn't a "known" coach or hasn't won anything. You have to put his managerial career in context.

Results and trophy wins are a lot of the time about fine margins. If Juve had not been so consistent last season, and Napoli had not slipped up a couple times, Sarri would have a Serie A trophy to his name right now.

Napoli was literally his first "big" job and he showed what he is capable of achieving/building given the time and patience. 

All I want to see from fans is support and backing. This season it feels like Sarri has been vilified almost on par with Benitez when he came here, which I find extraordinary.

Sarri has stated he enjoys English football and loves it here at Chelsea. He hasn't criticised the fans whatsoever despite the boos and abuse thrown at him at times. He's just getting on with his job. 

5 hours ago, bisright1 said:

But I do know the alternatives. I listed them. There aren't any others!

I listed them because when you write them down it's obvious they aren't absolutely an improvement on Sarri. In each and every case I think they'd be worse. Incidentally I think Holland lampard and Nuno would think twice before joining us and the Ajax manager 150% wouldn't join us after seeing us sack sarri after a season with two finals and a 3rd place in the league!

No you don’t, you listed alternatives you knew about. Doesn’t mean there aren’t others. 

5 hours ago, kiwi1691 said:

Lets also not forget that Juventus dominate Italian Football. In Sarri's last season at Napoli, Napoli got 91 points, the first time in serie A history a team got more than 90 points and did not win the league. 

Doesn’t mean cause he did well in  Italy that he will here. He still hasn’t won a single trophy.

5 hours ago, wallosh said:

9 hours ago, Kentonio said:

What if there isn't a top manager available? What are the club supposed to do then? Hire someone who doesn't fit, just because the fans insist on a change? What happens when that new guy then fails, will fans be blaming themselves for unwisely demanding a change, or will they just blame the board for not finding the non-existent unicorn they wanted?

Who told you there is no top manager available?

I know right?

5 hours ago, Zeta said:

Sounds very scouse-like.

The thing is, Liverpool and especially City are likely to hit 90 plus points for the foreseeable which means if we want to compete with them in the medium term we have to do the same.

So in that context the points hall Sarri got at Napoli is very relevant.

19 minutes ago, Argo said:

The thing is, Liverpool and especially City are likely to hit 90 plus points for the foreseeable which means if we want to compete with them in the medium term we have to do the same.

So in that context the points hall Sarri got at Napoli is very relevant.

Means sod all, different league and different quality of teams. Bakayako looks good in Italy.

23 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

Means sod all, different league and different quality of teams. Bakayako looks good in Italy.

It shows he can get consistent results in a league season, which is what we need if we are to compete with those two in the medium term.

Worry about beating those two once we are there, the first priority has to be finding a formula to compete with them first.

Just now, Argo said:

It shows he can get consistent results in a league season, which is what we need if we are to compete with those two in the medium term.

Worry about beating those two once we are there, the first priority has to be finding a formula to compete with them first.

Yeah but doing well in Italy doesn't mean he'll do the same here.

Swansea hired a manager a couple of years ago that had done great with Udinese in Serie A. Took them to third in the league from finishing 15 before he arrived there among other things but for Swansea he didn't even last more than six months. 

Guidolin is his name for those interested.

 

Edited May 14, 20197 yr by Sindre

18 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Yeah but doing well in Italy doesn't mean he'll do the same here.

Swansea hired a manager a couple of years ago that had done great with Udinese in Serie A. Took them to third in the league from finishing 15 before he arrived there among other things but for Swansea he didn't even last more than six months. 

Guidolin is his name for those interested.

There's a risk no matter what we do, United appointed a proven PL winner in Jose and he didn't get close to doing it with them, likewise Kenny at Liverpool.

Given he has a track record of giving a team league consistentcy all be it in a different league i would rather gamble on Sarri getting us to at the very least a challenging position more than i would a Emery for example who despite an impressive cup record has a very average league history littered with inconsistentcy, i would put Ancelotti in that category aswell.

3 hours ago, Bobbywoodhogan said:

No you don’t, you listed alternatives you knew about. Doesn’t mean there aren’t others. 

Doesn’t mean cause he did well in  Italy that he will here. He still hasn’t won a single trophy.

I know right?

Well there are loads of others. 

Maybe ancelotti? He won us trophies. He's done worse at Napoli than Sarri though. Ranieri will be available, he won a premier league. 

I could keep naming names, but I'm not going to find a manager I, the board or most Chelsea fans will all agree is 100% better than Sarri. And neither can you. 

Give up on the trophy chat. He got us to a final and we lost on penalties to one of the greatest English teams of all time and we might win one in 2 weeks. 

7 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Well there are loads of others. 

Maybe ancelotti? He won us trophies. He's done worse at Napoli than Sarri though. Ranieri will be available, he won a premier league. 

I could keep naming names, but I'm not going to find a manager I, the board or most Chelsea fans will all agree is 100% better than Sarri. And neither can you. 

Give up on the trophy chat. He got us to a final and we lost on penalties to one of the greatest English teams of all time and we might win one in 2 weeks. 

I’m not expecting you to find a manager, that’s my point. Whoever’s in charge of doing that at the club is the one who should be finding the manager.

We might win one in two weeks sure but if we don’t that’s another one he hasn’t one. Not winning trophies is a bad habit to get into and the longer it goes, the harder it gets. Let’s see if we win that one in two weeks, personally if we don’t I don’t think that’s good enough for Chelsea FC.  

To be fair if this ban stands how you going to get in a top manager willing to lose our best player and be unable to replace him, who would take that? No one who cares about their reputation. 

Contrary to that if there is no ban he deserves a window bringing in players he wants to see what he can do, he met the clubs target and beyond so he deserves that. 

26 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Give up on the trophy chat. He got us to a final and we lost on penalties to one of the greatest English teams of all time and we might win one in 2 weeks. 

Whatever one think of Sarri.

Can we please stop bringing up losing a league-cup final on penalties to a good team as some kind of great achievement? It's all very Tottenham and let's not go there.

 

Edited May 14, 20197 yr by Sindre

9 hours ago, Sindre said:

Whatever one think of Sarri.

Can we please stop bringing up losing a league-cup final on penalties to a good team as some kind of great achievement? It's all very Tottenham and let's not go there.

 

I’d say it’s more a Scouse 97 points thing 

20 hours ago, wallosh said:

On 14/05/2019 at 10:00, Kentonio said:

What if there isn't a top manager available? What are the club supposed to do then? Hire someone who doesn't fit, just because the fans insist on a change? What happens when that new guy then fails, will fans be blaming themselves for unwisely demanding a change, or will they just blame the board for not finding the non-existent unicorn they wanted?

Who told you there is no top manager available?

So who are they?

10 hours ago, Sindre said:

Whatever one think of Sarri.

Can we please stop bringing up losing a league-cup final on penalties to a good team as some kind of great achievement? It's all very Tottenham and let's not go there.

 

I'm just pointing out that it's not exactly a black mark on his record that he didn't win that trophy with us this season. We beat Tottenham and Liverpool on our way to the final, it was a good performance.

Can we stop bringing up that he hasn't won a trophy. Conte didn't win a cup competition for a much longer and more embarrassing amount of time and that didn't stop him winning the fa cup. This idea that managers either are or aren't good at winning cups is a myth.

Alex Ferguson is the greatest manager of all time. He lost 10 cup finals and won 15 - despite usually being the favourite. It's a myth.

 

Edited May 15, 20197 yr by bisright1

49 minutes ago, Kentonio said:

So who are they?

I’ve only got to give 4 weeks notice....

Edited May 15, 20197 yr by Munkworth

There's a risk no matter what we do, United appointed a proven PL winner in Jose and he didn't get close to doing it with them, likewise Kenny at Liverpool.
Given he has a track record of giving a team league consistentcy all be it in a different league i would rather gamble on Sarri getting us to at the very least a challenging position more than i would a Emery for example who despite an impressive cup record has a very average league history littered with inconsistentcy, i would put Ancelotti in that category aswell.

Emery over Sarri for me anyday!

Well there are loads of others. 
Maybe ancelotti? He won us trophies. He's done worse at Napoli than Sarri though. Ranieri will be available, he won a premier league. 
I could keep naming names, but I'm not going to find a manager I, the board or most Chelsea fans will all agree is 100% better than Sarri. And neither can you. 
Give up on the trophy chat. He got us to a final and we lost on penalties to one of the greatest English teams of all time and we might win one in 2 weeks. 

You know what? You are yet to name a manager that is worse than Sarri, all the above managers will do better here than Sarri!

2 minutes ago, wallosh said:

13 hours ago, bisright1 said:

Well there are loads of others. 
Maybe ancelotti? He won us trophies. He's done worse at Napoli than Sarri though. Ranieri will be available, he won a premier league. 
I could keep naming names, but I'm not going to find a manager I, the board or most Chelsea fans will all agree is 100% better than Sarri. And neither can you. 
Give up on the trophy chat. He got us to a final and we lost on penalties to one of the greatest English teams of all time and we might win one in 2 weeks. 

You know what? You are yet to name a manager that is worse than Sarri, all the above managers will do better here than Sarri!

As Ancelotti's proving by improving Sarri's Napoli.

 

 

 

 

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