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Sarri - In or Out?

Sarri - In or Out? 184 members have voted

  1. 1. Sarri - In or Out?

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Gennaro Famiglietti, the agent of Paris Saint-Germain striker Edinson Cavani, has slammed Chelsea boss Maurizio Sarri as a move to Juventus edges closer.

The Italian is widely reported to be leaving west London after a single season in charge to return to Italy, where he will take the reigns of the Serie A champions following Massimiliano Allegri.

That has not gone down well in Naples, as Napoli have a fierce rivalry with the Turin giants, and Famiglietti, who's client Cavani used to play for Napoli, has heaped criticism upon Sarri.

"From my point of view, Sarri is a traitor. I hate to say it, but I didn't like this scornful dedication of the Cup to the Napoli fans," he told Radio CRC.

2 hours ago, Dixons said:

I know he's struggled back in Spain and he is a sulky, pain in the arse, but at a decent price i would have him back. He's still only 30, and if we could get him fit and fired up, he would score us goals again. 

Lots of ifs in there. 

My comment was mostly tongue in cheek, and was also past tense when people were talking about a swap deal for Morata. While Morata wasn't good for us, he's still worth about 3X what Costa is on the market right now. 

In a more serious note, Costa hasn't played worth a flip in 2.5 seasons. That's longer than a washed up Alexis Sanchez. 

I'd take him on a free... Maybe.. 

 

 

22 minutes ago, Boston Blue said:

I think that would be very dangerous for Jorginho.  He will get labeled as only able to play for Sarri and he needs to separate from him now and become his own player.  

I don't think Chelsea would sell Jorginho. And if we did, it would be at a profit. They'd have to pay through the nose to get him. And they aren't going to do that. 

Not going out on a limb saying Jorginho will be with Chelsea next season. 

9 minutes ago, coco said:

53 versus 58.

Conte had two years and Sarri had one, so that looks like progress to me.

Progress in what way? Possession in itself doesn't mean much. And a five percent increase in possession is not something i'd label as "progress" just like that.

The difference is certainly not as massive as you suggested in your post that i commented on.

 

 

28 minutes ago, Boston Blue said:

Please seek psychological help immediately.  

Please f**k off we don’t get along, you’re quiet on normal discussions I take part in but if you find a touch of controversy in an oppionion yiu jump on it you child.

Go and watch egg ball you know f**k all about football, I doubt you’ve even been to a match bar the charity one played on an old green rug,  I leave you alone so repay me the same courtesy, thanks. 

Edited by WalterWhiteCFC

1 hour ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Wasn't getting the service needed and clearly doesn't want to be at Atletico and misses Chelsea?

Just in case people don't know you're being sarcastic....

Forbthe record.. Costa tried to engineer his way out of Chelsea back to Atletico for 2.5 seasons, and service to the striker hasn't exactly been a strong suit of ours either. 

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2 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Progress in what way? Possession in itself doesn't mean much.

 

 

Its the beginning of playing football, the more ball you have, the less you defend, the more opportunities come your way. Unless you think were not good enough with the ball, i dont see at all why you would think having less possession is a better option.

1 hour ago, Sexyfootball said:

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Every single one of our "abysmal" strikers has a better league strike rate than Costa this season ...  ?

 

I can’t explain why he has been poor at athletico because I haven’t watched him, but he suits Chelsea perfectly so unless he forgot how to play in 2 seasons I’d say the right coach and system would get goals out of him.

At the very least he is a nuisance  to defenders, our only top striker since Drogs, again total theory but I can’t see why anyone wouldn’t give him a punt if the opportunity was there.  

7 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Progress in what way? Possession in itself doesn't mean much. And a five percent increase in possession is not something i'd label as "progress" just like that.

The difference is certainly not as massive as you suggested in your post that i commented on.

 

 

53-47 is + 6%...  58-42 is +16%... that's a pretty massive jump as far as I'm concerned.

8 minutes ago, WalterWhiteCFC said:

Please f**k off we don’t get along, you’re quiet on normal discussions I take part in but if you find a touch of controversy in an oppionion yiu jump on it you child.

Go and watch egg ball you know f**k all about football, I doubt you’ve even been to a match bar the charity one played on an old green rug,  I leave you alone so repay me the same courtesy, thanks. 

Costa tried to get himself out of this club for months mate, I don't know why so many people forget this, he on two occasions he tried to leave us and he isn't exactly setting the world on fire at Atletico. 

I don't want him back here just so he can go missing again when he can't be bothered to turn up. 

10 minutes ago, WalterWhiteCFC said:

Please f**k off we don’t get along, you’re quiet on normal discussions I take part in but if you find a touch of controversy in an oppionion yiu jump on it you child.

Go and watch egg ball you know f**k all about football, I doubt you’ve even been to a match bar the charity one played on an old green rug,  I leave you alone so repay me the same courtesy, thanks. 

I found Rory Jennings' account

3 minutes ago, Wearyourblue said:

53-47 is + 6%...  58-42 is +16%... that's a pretty massive jump as far as I'm concerned.

Of course it is. 

https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/7361/Stages/16368/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2018-2019

Looks like according to whoscored which is pretty reliable we've had the 2nd best possession in the league just above Liverpool, we were 6th last season in possession stats, only 4% behind City. To say our possession hasn't improved would be a lie if you go by the evidence online, I think Sindre is wrong here. 

 

8 minutes ago, coco said:

Its the beginning of playing football, the more ball you have, the less you defend, the more opportunities come your way. Unless you think were not good enough with the ball, i dont see at all why you would think having less possession is a better option.

I certainly don't think a team with possession in the lower 50s is more likely to be a worse team then the one with possession in the upper 50s.
I think we've seen that with Van Gaal at United and now with Sarri this season. I don't think anyone can argue we looked much better in Conte's first season than any of those teams?

And while there clearly are opportunities when you have the ball there are also just as many opportunities when you don't (just ask Mourinho).
And frankly i don't think we were good enough in possession for most of this season. Only seasons we've scored less since 2000 was Mourinho's tragic season and Conte's last season (one goal less) so no i wouldn't say all the possession paid dividends.

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8 minutes ago, coco said:

Its the beginning of playing football, the more ball you have, the less you defend, the more opportunities come your way. Unless you think were not good enough with the ball, i dont see at all why you would think having less possession is a better option.

Most successful sides have a lot of the ball, there is definitely a strong correlation there. 

It's a good job that we are undertaking this approach, we just have to be better in the final 3rd and more clinical, we don't break teams down quick enough and when we do get a chance we miss it. 

5 minutes ago, Slojo said:

Of course it is. 

https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/7361/Stages/16368/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2018-2019

Looks like according to whoscored which is pretty reliable we've had the 2nd best possession in the league just above Liverpool, we were 6th last season in possession stats, only 4% behind City. To say our possession hasn't improved would be a lie if you go by the evidence online, I think Sindre is wrong here. 

 

I mean, there it says 54% possession for 16/17 and 54.5% for 17/18 so i am not sure where he gets his numbers from.

 

I think its spot on that we will be signing Allegri.

Think about it: how many of our permanent coaches have been Italian or have the mindset of Italian 90s style football? Mourinho for sure fits in that category also although not Italian. AVB was a prodigy from Mourinho era... (Dont include interim managers obviously). Heck, even Di Matteo is Italian! We love our Italian coaches, Allegri fits right in! 

33 minutes ago, WalterWhiteCFC said:

I can’t explain why he has been poor at athletico because I haven’t watched him, but he suits Chelsea perfectly so unless he forgot how to play in 2 seasons I’d say the right coach and system would get goals out of him.

At the very least he is a nuisance  to defenders, our only top striker since Drogs, again total theory but I can’t see why anyone wouldn’t give him a punt if the opportunity was there.  

How does he suit the direction we seem to be heading him more than Atletico who are similar to the way we played when he was here? He's been rubbish since the start of 2017 and at the age he is when you've been of "form" for that long it isn't form, it's your present day ability level.

It's been seen many times before of a former top class player turning to complete sh*t, happened with Torres, happened with Essien, happened with Sanchez, players who rely more on athletic qualities over technical ability are always susceptible to it. I've seen some Leti games this season and believe me, Costa's fall from grace is every bit as bad as those players, if not worse.

Edited by Argo

“The profession can lead to other paths, the relationship will not change. Loyalty is giving 110 per cent when you are there. What does it mean to be faithful? And if one day the company sends you away? What are you doing: stay true to a wife you divorced from?” 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/06/04/outgoing-chelsea-manager-maurizio-sarri-admits-lure-going-home/

Edited by Gol15

23 minutes ago, Sindre said:

I certainly don't think a team with possession in the lower 50s is more likely to be a worse team then the one with possession in the upper 50s.
I think we've seen that with Van Gaal at United and now with Sarri this season. I don't think anyone can argue we looked much better in Conte's first season than any of those teams?

And while there clearly are opportunities when you have the ball there are also just as many opportunities when you don't (just ask Mourinho).
And frankly i don't think we were good enough in possession for most of this season. Only seasons we've scored less since 2000 was Mourinho's tragic season and Conte's last season (one goal less) so no i wouldn't say all the possession paid dividends.

Disagree, I think a team is very likely to be worse with a low 50s possession %, doesn't mean there aren't exceptions, but they are much likely to be worse.

As far as goals,  we had one attacker that's worth a lick in his prime and that's Hazard,  Willian, Pedro, Giroud and Higuain are all a bit past it, and CHO, RLC and any others aren't quite seasoned.  For our personal I think we scored well.  A lot of those years we had Drogba and Lamps... imagine this same system with Drogba up top and Lamps were in place of Kovacic... I think we score 100.

32 minutes ago, WalterWhiteCFC said:

I can’t explain why he has been poor at athletico because I haven’t watched him, but he suits Chelsea perfectly so unless he forgot how to play in 2 seasons I’d say the right coach and system would get goals out of him.

At the very least he is a nuisance  to defenders, our only top striker since Drogs, again total theory but I can’t see why anyone wouldn’t give him a punt if the opportunity was there.  

Please no. We've got to stop looking through this blue-tinted hindsight lenses. They've had their day with us and those were some good days, but people tend to forget that Costa also brought with him petulance, poor attitude and a serious case of being missing for half a season.

We should be looking towards the new generation of players, not our old cast-offs and has-beens. 

4 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I'm sure the fans booing him for months helped with that decision. 

The booing is being over stated. Yes it did happen on occasions but I suspect the majority of those commenting about it only witnessed it via TV. 

I sit in the West Stand and the only times the crowd voiced  their dissatisfaction was when Sari made strange descions  and in particular  horrendous substitutions other than that the booing was more to do with the way in which the team were performing.

I don’t boo, never have, but when you are paying hundreds of £s surely you are entitled to voice your dissatisfaction.

19 minutes ago, Wearyourblue said:

Disagree, I think a team is very likely to be worse with a low 50s possession %, doesn't mean there aren't exceptions, but they are much likely to be worse.

As far as goals,  we had one attacker that's worth a lick in his prime and that's Hazard,  Willian, Pedro, Giroud and Higuain are all a bit past it, and CHO, RLC and any others aren't quite seasoned.  For our personal I think we scored well.  A lot of those years we had Drogba and Lamps... imagine this same system with Drogba up top and Lamps were in place of Kovacic... I think we score 100.

I can see it if you'd compare two teams that were both right on those edges (Like 50.0 v 60.0) but the best two managers to ever manage in this league usually had possession in the range of what Conte had.
But we can disagree on that.

People however sometimes gets these inaccurate ideas with no root in reality when comparing current vs former managers and their style. Conte's teams also had most of the possession but was very, very different in many other ways.

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