33 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

As some have said no one has called for TT to be sacked.

However those of us who supported Lamps and were willing to go throw the growing pains to give him time have had it rammed down our throats by some members how wrong we were to think that and the great run we were on prior to saturday and the Atletico results proved we were wrong.

Yet some of those same memebrs have had nothing to say after saturday. A defeat far worse than any we suffered under Frank. A complete humiliation with defending as bad as Frank produced with a toothless attack against a exceptionally poor opponent.

On the flip side to that, there were people preaching patience and slagging off other fans when they wanted Sarri out for a lot lot less than what transpired in the winter. 

2 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Sure, if you look at 2-5 versus WBA in isolation the result is as bad as any during Lampards time here. But still, it's one game lost. You've lost the three points whether you lose by a goal in overtime or by three as we were on the day.

Lampard only won 3 of our first 9 games this season. I'd imagine people would really be on Tuchel's back if he had that kind of a run but I don't remember there being that much pressure on Lampard even after losing to Tottenham coming off a draw against WBA and a loss against Liverpool at home before that. After that we beat Crystal Palace before we went on another run of three games without a win.

Not saying you can't criticise Tuchel for the result on Saturday. He made a few mistakes, though the biggest ones  came from those on the pitch. Jorginho and T.Silva lost their heads and us the three points in the process and it was always going to be a difficult afternoon with 10 men against WBA who had about three weeks to prepare while our lads were traveling around the world and playing a lot of games.

It's just a bit tiring when some get overly focused on the one sh*t result and seem to forget the multiple great ones we have had so far under Tuchel.

It is a fair point of view. Yes we only lost 3 points but it was not just a sh*t results to me. It was one of the worst and humiliating results and performances in 25 years of following the club. It does not matter to me whether it was TT, Frank or Jose in charge it was awful.

3 minutes ago, Argo said:

On the flip side to that, there were people preaching patience and slagging off other fans when they wanted Sarri out for a lot lot less than what transpired in the winter. 

Yes there were, as we have become a divided fanbase between those who are willing to offer time for something to build and others who demand instant success.

1 hour ago, Munkworth said:

Our first goal was a good finish from a player doing what average players should by following in a shot in to the box to take advantage of any scraps. It was more unlucky their keeper got fingers to it and denied Alonso a good goal!

It was a 50-50 chance that the defender just clears that ball or Pulisic just tapping it in... Not a goal from open play or from a real attacking sequence at all, even if it was a good free kick it was an opportunistic goal.

1 hour ago, Sindre said:

 

It's just a bit tiring when some get overly focused on the one sh*t result and seem to forget the multiple great ones we have had so far under Tuchel.

Who's doing that?

I like him..

He's honest and very open in press conferences. Comes across as very knowledgeable as well as likeable and intelligent.

I think he is going to do well here, I am confident in his ability to take us back to the top.

Because of their love for Frank there are some on here who want him to fail and will never really give him a chance which is a shame. I think we could have done a lot worse.

1 hour ago, Gol15 said:

It was a 50-50 chance that the defender just clears that ball or Pulisic just tapping it in... Not a goal from open play or from a real attacking sequence at all, even if it was a good free kick it was an opportunistic goal.

Well then technically all goals can be classed as opportunistic as there’s an always opportunity to score at anytime. How far do you take it?

17 minutes ago, Munkworth said:

Well then technically all goals can be classed as opportunistic as there’s an always opportunity to score at anytime. How far do you take it?

Our second goal was a real sequence of passes that led to an easy goal, that's not really opportunistic if you ask me but I don't know, I saw some posting how T.Silva isn't at all at fault for getting 2 yellow cards in 30 minutes so apparently defenders have no personal responsibility at all so maybe all goals are opportunistic after all.

Conceding 5 goals hasnt looked like happening before the West Brom result and i doubt it will happen again this season. The one thing Tuchel has done is go to a back 5 and keep us tight plus Dave and Alonso struggle in a back 4.

The conceding goals is what i take in isolation regarding Tuchels league form but we have looked like dropping points in the league since Tuchel has come in tbh, the results have been good which has covered over the performances and always will. League performances have been pretty poor and we create next to nothing. The perforances in the league is deffiantly not an isolated moment, its been going on for months.

 

33 minutes ago, chelseablueboy said:

I like him..

He's honest and very open in press conferences. Comes across as very knowledgeable as well as likeable and intelligent.

I think he is going to do well here, I am confident in his ability to take us back to the top.

Because of their love for Frank there are some on here who want him to fail and will never really give him a chance which is a shame. I think we could have done a lot worse.

Certainly could have done worse. I think he’s done a really good job so far and barring a sustained drop in performance (always possible), he’ll be here next season.

This idea that he’ll automatically get sacked if we don’t make the top four or win the CL is nonsense. The board and Roman may be ruthless, but they’re not unreasonable. At the time of his appointment, I’m not sure there’s a manager in the world who could have reasonably been expected to get us into the top 4 and CL QF from the position we were in. Top 4 on a pro rata basis? Sure, and that’s the more likely criterion the board would have had in mind, but outright top 4 from 10th was an unrealistically tall order back then. 
 

TT has so far surpassed reasonable  expectations but then of course we moved the goalposts... to the extent that now it’s top 4 or bust (for TT) and some even think winning the CL is a realistic prospect. Well that’s  just not going to happen. No way we win the CL this year. And there’s a very good chance we don’t make the top 4 either. After all, we’re competing for it with some very strong sides and it’s close.. but none of that will matter for TT’s tenure into next season unless performance really nosedives. Fail to make top 4 next season - 100% he’ll be gone. But if he’s fired at the end of this season, it’ll be for another reason. 

3 hours ago, Sindre said:

Sure, if you look at 2-5 versus WBA in isolation the result is as bad as any during Lampards time here. But still, it's one game lost. You've lost the three points whether you lose by a goal in overtime or by three as we were on the day.

Lampard only won 3 of our first 9 games this season. I'd imagine people would really be on Tuchel's back if he had that kind of a run but I don't remember there being that much pressure on Lampard even after losing to Tottenham coming off a draw against WBA and a loss against Liverpool at home before that. After that we beat Crystal Palace before we went on another run of three games without a win.

Not saying you can't criticise Tuchel for the result on Saturday. He made a few mistakes, though the biggest ones  came from those on the pitch. Jorginho and T.Silva lost their heads and us the three points in the process and it was always going to be a difficult afternoon with 10 men against WBA who had about three weeks to prepare while our lads were traveling around the world and playing a lot of games.

It's just a bit tiring when some get overly focused on the one sh*t result and seem to forget the multiple great ones we have had so far under Tuchel.

If you only look at Premier league matches we managed 9 points from our first 6 games this season under Lampard. Not a great start as you point out. Although by chance that is exactly the same return we have had from our last 6 league games. While Saturday's game was a stand out in terms of poor displays we have not exactly looked convincing in the league, even with the change of manager. A lot of the games that we have won have been scrappy 1 goal margins. We should be putting a lot of teams away convincingly in this league. I am actually not making this point as a dig at Tuchel. More so to illustrate the ongoing limitations of this squad. Too many overpaid, average players. I would prefer to see younger, hungrier players get a chance when we rotate because of fixture congestion. We have seen how it plays out with some of these squad players on too many occasions now, under multiple managers. Disinterested, lazy displays. We need to clear house this summer.

6 hours ago, forbzy said:

If  We have seen how it plays out with some of these squad players on too many occasions now, under multiple managers. Disinterested, lazy displays. We need to clear house this summer.

May I know who do you mean by these squad players? 

 

 

 

13 hours ago, Argo said:

On the flip side to that, there were people preaching patience and slagging off other fans when they wanted Sarri out for a lot lot less than what transpired in the winter. 

I wanted Sarri gone for numerous reasons. On the whole I found Sarriball incredibly boring and cautious. I disliked his demeanour, even Benitez seemed happier to be here than Sarri. And he appeared to have a stubborn streak that bordered on stupidity at times.

Hypothetical of course, but if he had stayed on, with the same circumstances Frank had to deal with, a transfer ban, Hazard gone, I think we would probably have been in big trouble pretty quickly.

12 hours ago, dkw said:

Who's doing that?

Don't remember most of the names but there was a few that overreacted massively after WBA.

You came out pretty strong against Tuchel after that game as well if i'm not mistaken.

5 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Don't remember most of the names but there was a few that overreacted massively after WBA.

You came out pretty strong against Tuchel after that game as well if i'm not mistaken.

I did, but it wasnt just that game, I have questioned how we are playing under him for quite some time, along with several others. No on as far as I can see has just knee jerked due to that one bad defeat on here. Its the same as some other people claiming some fans on here want us to fail so we can point at Tuchel, I havent seen a a single person say they want that at all. 

6 minutes ago, dkw said:

I did, but it wasnt just that game, I have questioned how we are playing under him for quite some time, along with several others. No on as far as I can see has just knee jerked due to that one bad defeat on here. Its the same as some other people claiming some fans on here want us to fail so we can point at Tuchel, I havent seen a a single person say they want that at all. 

Just seem a littlebit out of character for you as my impression is that you've always been one to give a manager more time before jumping to conclusions. Don't think you want Tuchel to fail at all but you did admit you didn't like him or something like that which is your right obviously but seem a bit hasty for me considering he's been here two months and we have done well all in all.

1 minute ago, Sindre said:

Just seem a littlebit out of character for you as my impression is that you've always been one to give a manager more time before jumping to conclusions. Don't think you want Tuchel to fail at all but you did admit you didn't like him or something like that which is your right obviously but seem a bit hasty for me considering he's been here two months and we have done well all in all.

Thats true, I'm always willing to give Managers a lot of time to succeed or fail, I always think we must give them time to build to wards what they want from the squad. In fact I still think the same with Tuchel, even though I dont like certain things hes done I absolutely want him to succeed as that means Chelsea as a whole succeed. But I havent been sucked in by the results as many of our fans have been, there have been some brilliant results and Ive gave the deserved praise for those to Tuchel. But a lot of the other games I think we have struggled through, we are barely creating any chances and are completely reliant on the defence and the opposition not taking their chances, and have been lucky at times with those misses. he basically went to a very defensive set up, which was fine early on but has not been able to progress us in any way going forward, and thats a huge worry. He changes far too many players/positions to allow the team to settle into a rhythm and I dont know why hes doing it, is it to prove how amazing he is, is it to show he doesnt trust the players in the squad? Just makes no sense to me at times, simple things like bringing in Silva and Zouma on the weekend into a back 3, which meant Zouma being played on the "wrong" side of the 3, it basically meant we had Azpi who is woefully out of form, Silva coming back from a bad injury and Zouma out of position in a back 3 that has rarely ever played together. Just made no sense and is a really poor mistake for a manager as lauded as he is for his tactical understanding.

13 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Our second goal was a real sequence of passes that led to an easy goal, that's not really opportunistic if you ask me but I don't know.

The opportunity to score the goal was only there because the opportunity to string the that sequence of passes together presented itself. 
 

Thiago took both opportunities provided to him by Jorginho to get booked. 
 

2 hours ago, just said:

 

I wanted Sarri gone for numerous reasons. On the whole I found Sarriball incredibly boring and cautious. I disliked his demeanour, even Benitez seemed happier to be here than Sarri. And he appeared to have a stubborn streak that bordered on stupidity at times.

Hypothetical of course, but if he had stayed on, with the same circumstances Frank had to deal with, a transfer ban, Hazard gone, I think we would probably have been in big trouble pretty quickly.

Results turned out OK but in every other way he was the worst fit possible for us.

"Managed the club like the ex-banker he is" - Rob Green

Most couldn't stand him.

43 minutes ago, Munkworth said:

The opportunity to score the goal was only there because the opportunity to string the that sequence of passes together presented itself. 
 

Thiago took both opportunities provided to him by Jorginho to get booked. 
 

3 hours ago, just said:

 

I wanted Sarri gone for numerous reasons. On the whole I found Sarriball incredibly boring and cautious. I disliked his demeanour, even Benitez seemed happier to be here than Sarri. And he appeared to have a stubborn streak that bordered on stupidity at times.

Hypothetical of course, but if he had stayed on, with the same circumstances Frank had to deal with, a transfer ban, Hazard gone, I think we would probably have been in big trouble pretty quickly.

Also hypothetical, but i don’t agree with the last part. We finished the season pretty well. I don’t think he ever really implemented the football he wanted so what we took for Sarriball was an unfinished product and the accusation of boring football is a bit harsh. I think historically he’s the sort of coach that does better with the more understated players and teams, which may have been in his favour. 
 

On the other hand, it’s true what you say about him not wanting to be here, and that kind of sealed the (non)deal. But it also took two to tango, and the treatment by some of the fans left a bad taste in my mouth. But yeah - it just wasn’t going to work out so not much left to discuss. 

2 minutes ago, Dean said:

Also hypothetical, but i don’t agree with the last part. We finished the season pretty well. I don’t think he ever really implemented the football he wanted so what we took for Sarriball was an unfinished product and the accusation of boring football is a bit harsh. I think historically he’s the sort of coach that does better with the more understated players and teams, which may have been in his favour. 
 

On the other hand, it’s true what you say about him not wanting to be here, and that kind of sealed the (non)deal. But it also took two to tango, and the treatment by some of the fans left a bad taste in my mouth. But yeah - it just wasn’t going to work out so not much left to discuss. 

I have never wavered in my assessment of Sarriball as we tasted it Dean. Over playing in midfield, lack of players committed ahead of the ball, slow build up play. I don't think that style/system was a good fit for the EPL and some players struggled badly under it, Kovacic being the prime example.

46 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Results turned out OK but in every other way he was the worst fit possible for us.

"Managed the club like the ex-banker he is" - Rob Green

Most couldn't stand him.

Hi Sindre. You are of course entitled to your views about Sarri and I agree about the fit bit not being good, but this quote about managing “like the ex-banker he is” is not only v lazy commentary but couldn’t be wider of the mark. Nobody would have said this without the knowledge that he had in fact worked in finance. Chain-smoking, tracksuit-wearing  Sarri hardly  cuts the figure of a typical banker. Like him or hate him, Sarri is pretty damn eccentric, a free spirit that freed himself of the shackles of the corporate world to pursue his dream.... and it’s pretty incredible what he achieved. Credit where it’s due. 

3 minutes ago, just said:

I have never wavered in my assessment of Sarriball as we tasted it Dean. Over playing in midfield, lack of players committed ahead of the ball, slow build up play. I don't think that style/system was a good fit for the EPL and some players struggled badly under it, Kovacic being the prime example.

Fair enough Just, I know you have been unwavering. all im really saying is I think he would have agreed with you about a lot of the football we played, but he would have put it down to incomplete implementation of his plans . He often said himself eg that the players weren’t following instructions. Towards the end of the season it started to look a lot better and maybe that would have continued into last season . But again - it’s all academic really as it was never going to work out. 

6 hours ago, just said:

I wanted Sarri gone for numerous reasons. On the whole I found Sarriball incredibly boring and cautious. I disliked his demeanour, even Benitez seemed happier to be here than Sarri. And he appeared to have a stubborn streak that bordered on stupidity at times.

Hypothetical of course, but if he had stayed on, with the same circumstances Frank had to deal with, a transfer ban, Hazard gone, I think we would probably have been in big trouble pretty quickly.

Difference is Just IIRC I can't recall you slating others for then believing Frank should go/it was too early for him. If you genuinely believed Sarri leaving was best for the club and Frank staying was best no problems from me and I'd equally respect whatever stance you eventually take with Tuchel.

What I found hard to take is some went down the integrity line with one manager but aggressively wanted another sacked, again I've got no problem with anyone going down that route in itself ofcourse it's their prerogative if giving managers x amount of time till they can be judged is their belief but anyone who goes down that route will look awfully hypocritical if it isn't blanket.