We're playing an attacking player who has been abysmal for all 7 seasons of his career in 2 different leagues 

And We're supposed to be surprised the attack looks poor?

It isn't 8th time lucky it's insanity.

Pulisic, Ziyech and Werner will never be good enough.  The talent has never been there for the highest level.

This can only be fixed in the market.

Edited July 24, 20223 yr by HazardousChoice

He's trying to get us to play 433 to fix our chance creation issues but I think he'll just go back to 343. A bit of fitness and sharpness and we'll be as competitive as last season, it's the same team. Hell it might be a bit better since Lukaku is out of the way but we need a striker to improve us still.

Ah lovely, a sh*t performance, in our sh*tty new kit, and we still have too many sh*tty players who can't defend and can't score. Roll on the season, it's gonna be emotional. 👀

1 minute ago, Backbiter said:

sh*te from start to finish. Literally no aspect of our play was any good at all. Hard to say whether our GK, defence, midfield or attack is the biggest concern.

All of the above?

We exceeded my expectations, limiting them to just was quite an achievement.

Sterling and Koulibaly what have you done? Kounde be sensible and go to Barca. Lol.

And a one, and a two and a "We got super Thomas tuchel, he knows what to do"

That was unpleasant to watch being screwed by Arsenal like that. The quality of our  last games of our 2021/22 season now continued into our pre-season. I hope we get our sh...t together and start playing like Chelsea. Few duds needs to be shipped out of the team and we need some fresh quality in the front. No threat in the front whatsoever. 

Don't fix what isn't broken, we were terrible in 4-3-3 under Lampard. Keep the system that won us the Champions League. People say we don't score enough in a 3-4-3 but we create a ton of chances, which means it's more down to our attackers being dismal than anything

3 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

I wish I could say 'It's just preseason" but we really look way behind in terms of fitness. Not sure whether the board change had anything to do with the length of players vacations/the time they came back to training but we really need to pick things up. 4-0 loss isn't what I would expect three games into our pre-season. 

This.

I doubt Udiniese will be the only pre-season game left. 

Expect a lot of friendlies behind closed doors because the whole squad's very off the pace fitness wise.

Edited July 24, 20223 yr by Ledgerson

1 minute ago, sonic90 said:

He's trying to get us to play 433 to fix our chance creation issues but I think he'll just go back to 343. A bit of fitness and sharpness and we'll be as competitive as last season, it's the same team. Hell it might be a bit better since Lukaku is out of the way but we need a striker to improve us still.

I say we need a forward more than a defender, trouble is we have so much dead wood we can't really buy more forwards until we get rid of them. Who would want them though.... 

4 minutes ago, jbdiver said:

And this is why TT wants new defenders. 

The way Arsenal were waltzing through the midfield and passing around and through the pathetic press we put on, the defence can't be entirely to blame.  Again yet another horror story up front; no guts in midfield and no creation.  Apart from Mount's hitting the 'far goal sick' how many saves did Ramsdale have to make?   I'm sure TT will be glad to get back home but he and the team have got a lot of hard work ahead of them in the next 2 weeks.  And even if they did manage to get a couple of more players across the line they won't be ready for weeks.  Will not be surprised to find ourselves in the bottom half of the table for the first 6-10 games unless there is a dramatic turnaround.

5 minutes ago, sonic90 said:

He's trying to get us to play 433 to fix our chance creation issues but I think he'll just go back to 343. A bit of fitness and sharpness and we'll be as competitive as last season, it's the same team. Hell it might be a bit better since Lukaku is out of the way but we need a striker to improve us still.

i dont think he is trying much.. the players didnt know how to break a press in a back 4 - that is down to coaching or lack-off..  that was more like lads lets tryin lining up in a back 4 and see how it goes.. 

1 minute ago, Jangz said:

i dont think he is trying much.. the players didnt know how to break a press in a back 4 - that is down to coaching or lack-off..  that was more like lads lets tryin lining up in a back 4 and see how it goes.. 

I'm pretty sure Chelsea is the first time in his career he's played 3 at the back, all due to the remnants of Conte's spine. Surely he knows how to coach the formations he's used in the past?

1 minute ago, sonic90 said:

I'm pretty sure Chelsea is the first time in his career he's played 3 at the back, all due to the remnants of Conte's spine. Surely he knows how to coach the formations he's used in the past?

My point is he needs to do that.. on the back of that performance didn't look like he was doing it.

2 minutes ago, sonic90 said:

I'm pretty sure Chelsea is the first time in his career he's played 3 at the back, all due to the remnants of Conte's spine. Surely he knows how to coach the formations he's used in the past?

Speaking of Conte this is very much reminding me of parts of Conte year 2.

Seriously haven't seen Chelsea this 'outplayed' by anybody (except City a couple of times recently) for many a year! I mean seriously second best by an absolute mile.

 

 

Edited July 24, 20223 yr by TheCeleryKing

14 minutes ago, HazardousChoice said:

We're playing an attacking player who has been abysmal for all 7 seasons of his career in 2 different leagues 

And We're supposed to be surprised the attack looks poor?

It isn't 8th time lucky it's insanity.

Pulisic, Ziyech and Werner will never be good enough.  The talent has never been there for the highest level.

This can only be fixed in the market.

So, Ziyech, Werner and Pulisic all suck. Havertz was invisible today too, as was Sterling. Christ, Mount was the only player with a shot the entire game. At what point do you blame Tuchel and the system?

1 minute ago, Jangz said:

My point is he needs to do that.. on the back of that performance didn't look like he was doing it.

We've already played 4 at the back at various times last season, he's been trying it on and off but I don't think the players are taking to it. 343 is boring and tedious but at least we are fairly solid and can nick a goal, and most importantly more confident playing that way, we're just going to have to do that for the season.

3 minutes ago, USATim said:

So, Ziyech, Werner and Pulisic all suck. Havertz was invisible today too, as was Sterling. Christ, Mount was the only player with a shot the entire game. At what point do you blame Tuchel and the system?

I'd be more willing to blame the system if Tuchel hadn't coached fantastic attacking performances and had multiple attackers at all his previous clubs playing the best football of their careers.

Given none of our attackers aside from Mount and Sterling have ever performed in the Premier league (and Mount has gone from strength to strength under Tuchel) I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt over someone like Pulisic who has looked sh*t for most his career in 2 different leagues and multiple managers.

No system will make Pulisic, Ziyech or Werner good enough for this level.

 

Edited July 24, 20223 yr by HazardousChoice

1 minute ago, sonic90 said:

We've already played 4 at the back at various times last season, he's been trying it on and off but I don't think the players are taking to it. 343 is boring and tedious but at least we are fairly solid and can nick a goal, and most importantly more confident playing that way, we're just going to have to do that for the season.

343 looks in control because the opposition  is quite happy to let us us play around the back 60 yards from.goal.. reorganize and hit us when we lose the ball.. the formation has been found out.. heck we even concede passing around the back.. we only won 7 of our last 15 games towards the end.. you maybe in for a surprise if you think this 343 is the answer..

Apparently we managed 0 shots on target. 

Our midfield cannot attack, cannot defend, cannot tackle and cannot create. 

Mind you even if they could those bums up front would just waste it anyway. Havertz and Werner are like having Chris Sutton and Jozy Altidore.

2 minutes ago, HazardousChoice said:

 

No system will make Pulisic, Ziyech or Werner good enough for this level.

 

And what level is this.. are we saying nketiah martinelli saka odegard xhaka are better than Mount havertz ziyech Sterling  CP Werner.. 

It's the system and coaching which hasn't been good enough we have the players 

3 minutes ago, Jangz said:

And what level is this.. are we saying nketiah martinelli saka odegard xhaka are better than Mount havertz ziyech Sterling  CP Werner.. 

It's the system and coaching which hasn't been good enough we have the players 

I'm not sure why you've included Xhaka there and excluded Jesus.

But I'd take every single one of those Arsenal players over Pulisic and Ziyech.   Havetz and Werner haven't shown much in the Premier league either.

Only Sterling and Mount have consistently shown they belong at this level.

Our players aren't as good as you think they are.  We absolutely do not have the attacking players to achieve any consistent league success or even Mount a title challenge.

Edited July 24, 20223 yr by HazardousChoice

8 minutes ago, USATim said:

So, Ziyech, Werner and Pulisic all suck. Havertz was invisible today too, as was Sterling. Christ, Mount was the only player with a shot the entire game. At what point do you blame Tuchel and the system?

Havertz "sucks" as well Tim, and Sterling has the stats he does because of Pep. 

On your point on TT, I would sooner have Todd answer that.

4 minutes ago, HazardousChoice said:

I'd be more willing to blame the system if Tuchel hadn't coached fantastic attacking performances and had multiple attackers at all his previous clubs playing the best football of their careers.

Given none of our attackers aside from Mount and Sterling have ever performed in the Premier league (and Mount has gone from strength to strength under Tuchel) I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt over someone like Pulisic who has looked sh*t for most his career in 2 different leagues and multiple managers.

No system will make Pulisic, Ziyech or Werner good enough for this level.

 

You are still banging on about this crap in your first paragraph? So he had his attacking players playing well at Dortmund/PSG where his teams were 90% stronger than other teams, he isn’t going to get that in the PL. 

4 minutes ago, Jangz said:

And what level is this.. are we saying nketiah martinelli saka odegard xhaka are better than Mount havertz ziyech Sterling  CP Werner.. 

It's the system and coaching which hasn't been good enough we have the players 

Thank you.. 

Just now, axman2526 said:

Havertz "sucks" as well Tim, and Sterling has the stats he does because of Pep. 

On your point on TT, I would sooner have Todd answer that.

The buck will always stop with the manager ultimately. The owner is not going to ship out the entire team if things aren't going well. We saw what happened when Lamps was shown the door and Tuchel came in. Same group of players went from struggling for top 6 to winning Champs League.  If things aren't working the owners will change the manager.