1 minute ago, ducavis said:

Thank you.. 

First person in the TT out club for this season mate? Or did @dkw best you to that?

4 minutes ago, HazardousChoice said:

I'm not sure why you've included Xhaka there and excluded Jesus.

But I'd take every single one of those Arsenal players over Pulisic and Ziyech.   Havetz and Werner haven't shown much in the Premier league either.

Only Sterling and Mount have consistently shown they belong at this level.

Our players aren't as good as you think they are.  We absolutely do not have the attacking players to achieve any consistent league success or even Mount a title challenge.

We will see how Sterling does in Tuchel's system. Think you will be whistling a different tune at the end of the season.

Just now, forbzy said:

The buck will always stop with the manager ultimately. The owner is not going to ship out the entire team if things aren't going well. We saw what happened when Lamps was shown the door and Tuchel came in. Same group of players went from struggling for top 6 to winning Champs League.  If things aren't working the owners will change the manager.

 

Roman absolutely would and, as I stated last season, had the ownership situation not happened I believe Roman would have sacked TT for losing the two domestic cup finals.

Todd and Co are unknowns, we don't know how much rope they will give TT.

3 minutes ago, HazardousChoice said:

I'm not sure why you've included Xhaka there and excluded Jesus.

But I'd take every single one of those Arsenal players over Pulisic and Ziyech.   Havetz and Werner haven't shown much in the Premier league either.

Only Sterling and Mount have consistently shown they belong at this level.

Our players aren't as good as you think they are.  We absolutely do not have the attacking players to achieve any consistent league success or even Mount a title challenge.

Missed Jesus still getting used to him in an Arsenal shirt..  we are not talking title change but getting bossed and outpayed by this lot.. I I sorry in my book that doesn't cut it..

I blame our attacking players if we create anything even lamps managed to get a better tune out of our attacking lot.

1 minute ago, axman2526 said:

First person in the TT out club for this season mate? Or did @dkw best you to that?

I don’t want him out, and I have never suggested that. I just feel he isn’t getting the best out of these players. 
We can go on about the CL win, & 2 finals, but his system & style of football works better in cup competitions. He will need to be adventurous to make it work in the league.

Sterling has promise, at least he can run with the ball and make things happen. Werner, Pulisic, Ziyech and Havertz are painful to watch more often than not. I just don't have faith that any of them will 'come good' for us in terms of sticking the ball in the net or assisting goals regularly.

I wish we had a Drogba or Costa type player, those guys created chances with pure strength and aggression at times, and then Hazard who would create from pure skill and talent. Our current guys just don't compare in any shape or form. 

 

The best form of defence is attack, and we can't even manage a decent shot on target. That sort or thing happened often in the last quarter of the season just gone.

Edited July 24, 20223 yr by AlwaysRight

3 minutes ago, USATim said:

We will see how Sterling does in Tuchel's system. Think you will be whistling a different tune at the end of the season.

I think this might be where the penny drops for most of our fans. Can’t see Sterling working in this system, without Pep’s structure, and a midfield 2 that can’t pick a pass or spot his runs. He will keep making those runs (like Werner does), but players will keep taking an extra touch or passing inwards.

Caught a minute clip of TT after the game where he commends Arsenal for shows more commitment than we did and being better Physically, mentally and as a team.

13 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Havertz "sucks" as well Tim, and Sterling has the stats he does because of Pep. 

On your point on TT, I would sooner have Todd answer that.

I just hate this attacking system under Tuchel, Ax - it is slow, plotting, methodical and congested. Whipping in crosses with wingbacks to a striker who can't play inside makes no sense. The wingbacks force the wingers inside where it is just too damn congested once they get possession. With the exception of Mount, our midfielders give us absolutely nothing in the attack, and it seems like we are constantly playing the ball backward. This system just doesn't fit the type of players we have. It will be interesting to note if Sterling's stats dip - here is betting they do.

Edited July 24, 20223 yr by USATim

2 minutes ago, ducavis said:

I think this might be where the penny drops for most of our fans. Can’t see Sterling working in this system, without Pep’s structure, and a midfield 2 that can’t pick a pass or spot his runs. He will keep making those runs (like Werner does), but players will keep taking an extra touch or passing inwards.

That's a very good point.

1 minute ago, USATim said:

I just hate this attacking system under Tuchel, Ax - it is slow, plotting, methodical and congested. Whipping in crosses with wingbacks to a striker who can't play inside makes no sense. The wingbacks force the wingers inside where it is just too damn congested once they get possession. With the exception of Mount, our midfielders give us absolutely in the attack, and it seems like we are constantly playing the ball backward. This system just doesn't fit the type of players we have. It will be interesting to note if Sterling's stats dip - here is betting they do.

We attack? Huh could have fooled me.

7 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

First person in the TT out club for this season mate? Or did @dkw best you to that?

I don't think he's a brilliant team manager, but will keep my counsel on his future atm, could see Todd, going 'hey lets get Zidane', he's a winner at domestic level

3 minutes ago, ducavis said:

I think this might be where the penny drops for most of our fans. Can’t see Sterling working in this system, without Pep’s structure, and a midfield 2 that can’t pick a pass or spot his runs. He will keep making those runs (like Werner does), but players will keep taking an extra touch or passing inwards.

Agreed. Think it is going to be a long year for Sterling - Tuchel's style of attack just doesn't suite his game.

6 minutes ago, AlwaysRight said:

Sterling has promise, at least he can run with the ball and make things happen. Werner, Pulisic, Ziyech and Havertz are painful to watch more often than not. I just don't have faith that any of them will 'come good' for us in terms of sticking the ball in the net or assisting goals regularly.

I wish we had a Drogba or Costa type player, those guys created chances with pure strength and aggression at times, and then Hazard who would create from pure skill and talent. Our current guys just don't compare in any shape or form. 

 

The best form of defence is attack, and we can't even manage a decent shot on target. That sort or thing happened often in the last quarter of the season just gone.

And what exactly has Sterling made happen this preseason? Goals? Assists? What?

2 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

We attack? Huh could have fooled me.

Good call - 0 shots on goal tonight, I think.

13 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Roman absolutely would and, as I stated last season, had the ownership situation not happened I believe Roman would have sacked TT for losing the two domestic cup finals.

Todd and Co are unknowns, we don't know how much rope they will give TT.

True but they have just invested a massive sum to take control of the club. I doubt they will tolerate the loss of income if we fail to make Champs League for example. You could argue that it might be better that we don't sign too many more players this summer if they are for Tuchel's system. If they change the manager mid-season these players may not fit the next system.

The result in a pre-season game doesn't really matter much, although it is never fun being on the end of a hammering, especially against London rivals. But the manner of defeat is more worrying. All over the place defensively, disorganized, and creating no real chances. 

The fans at the Bridge were patient last season despite the poor performances, I don't expect their patience to last this time though. We need some drastic improvements or the booing will start early. 

Tuchel needs to sort out his attacking game plan and the players need to stop this cowardly football they constantly produce. If we end up with more of that inching towards the box only to pass it back to the halfway line again, then I will just make Chelsea background tv next season. No way am I watching another season of that sh*te. I would rather see us lose whilst trying to be entertaining than watch us waste 30 minutes recycling possession and wait for the inevitable snatch and grab goal by the opposition.

Edited July 24, 20223 yr by Scott Harris

Tuchel: "I saw a team in Arsenal who are mentally committed to a level of exhaustion that we could not match physically and mentally because we have a lot of players who are thinking about leaving and looking at their options." 

Gotta admire how up front he’s being about the state of things

Edited July 24, 20223 yr by Term_X

14 minutes ago, Ballack & Blu said:

I don't think he's a brilliant team manager, but will keep my counsel on his future atm, could see Todd, going 'hey lets get Zidane', he's a winner at domestic level

Zidane managerial claim to fame is those 3 consecutive CL wins.

4 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

The fans at the Bridge were patient last season despite the poor performances, I don't expect their patience to last this time though. We need some drastic improvements or the booing will start early. 

Tuchel needs to sort out his attacking game plan and the players need to stop this cowardly football they constantly produce. If we end up with more of that inching towards the box only to pass it back to the halfway line again, then I will just make Chelsea background tv next season. No way am I watching another season of that sh*te. I would rather see us lose whilst trying to be entertaining that watch us waste 30 minutes recycling possession and wait for the inevitable snatch and grab goal by the opposition.

Understand where you are coming from. It is some of, if not the, most boring football I have seen us play in 29 years.

2 minutes ago, Term_X said:

Tuchel: "I saw a team in Arsenal who are mentally committed to a level of exhaustion that we could not match physically and mentally because we have a lot of players who are thinking about leaving and looking at their options." 

Gotta admire how up front he’s being about the state of things

I am sure there are a few unsettled players, but why start them in that case? We should be prioritizing game time for those who want to play for the club

2 minutes ago, Term_X said:

Tuchel: "I saw a team in Arsenal who are mentally committed to a level of exhaustion that we could not match physically and mentally because we have a lot of players who are thinking about leaving and looking at their options." 

Gotta admire how up front he’s being about the state of things

This would be the main point for me of not keeping Dave. If he really wants to go so badly let him go. How can you expect the team to be super commited if their captain is not.

And who else does he mean? Werner? Alonso? Emerson, Jorgi? Havertz? Who are these players? Name them and shame them?

If we go in to the season with this attitude we will drop like a stone. Nevermind top 4 we wont be top 10 with this lack of commitment.

2 minutes ago, Term_X said:

Tuchel: "I saw a team in Arsenal who are mentally committed to a level of exhaustion that we could not match physically and mentally because we have a lot of players who are thinking about leaving and looking at their options." 

Gotta admire how up front he’s being about the state of things

Werner, Ziyech, Alonso, Dave - who am I missing?

1 minute ago, axman2526 said:

Understand where you are coming from. It is some of, if not the, most bring football I have seen us play in 29 years.

It's up there with Sarriball. We want to watch quick football full of commitment, not this sh*t. We did it for the first few months of last season, what is holding them back from doing that now? When they see an attacker run into space, why don't they play the pass? when they are in a crossing position, why are the suddenly walking and playing it back 5 yards instead of crossing it into the box or running at the full back? We have seen some horrible habits come into the club in recent years and it seems to rub off on to every player we bring in.

Just now, USATim said:

Werner, Ziyech, Alonso, Dave - who am I missing?

Exactly who does he mean? I think we can safely say is not Silva, James, Mount or Mendy but realistically could be any of the others.

Werner, Ziyech, CHO, Pulisic, Havertz, Kante, Jorgi, Dave, Alonso, Emerson. Ampadu, Colwill, Broja etc etc.