2 minutes ago, yaz said:

Are we even sure about this? Like you said we haven't really seen him play since he came here.

+1

I've been pretty underwhelmed every time he's played in all honesty. I'd say Santos is a better player on what we've seen.

Not much to get excited about in his career history :

Edited Thursday at 17:044 days by Sexyfootball

Just now, Sexyfootball said:

+1

I've been pretty underwhelmed every time he's played in all honesty. I'd say Santos is a better player on what we've seen.

Horses for courses I think.

If Alonso plays his preferred 3-4-2-1 then Santos might be a player that would have to be shoehorned into the team a bit like Enzo has since he’s been here. A fit Lavia (I know!) is a bit more like a Xhaka type player in my eyes. His passing is definitely better than Santos I’d say.

Looking forward to hearing what Alonso says….

6 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

+1

I've been pretty underwhelmed every time he's played in all honesty. I'd say Santos is a better player on what we've seen.

Not much to get excited about in his career history :

In terms of footballers I still think Lavia is a better player, but what does it matter if the guy is never fit.

He was excellent under Maresca's first season but last season was underwhelming.

You do have to wonder if whether the pile up of injuries has now affected his ability.

2 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

He was excellent under Maresca's first season but last season was underwhelming.

You do have to wonder if whether the pile up of injuries has now affected his ability.

This. In fact I wonder if its all got into his head now ths restricting from really committing to being first in winning the ball.

Rumour from a few weeks back about Monaco offering 25mill euros for him back again.

Not sure that would clear his book value. His time with us has been a disaster for all parties though, might just have to take the loss and move on.

8 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Rumour from a few weeks back about Monaco offering 25mill euros for him back again.

Not sure that would clear his book value. His time with us has been a disaster for all parties though, might just have to take the loss and move on.

Book value mid-30s million it looks like.

8 minutes ago, dermott said:

Book value mid-30s million it looks like.

Yeah that's a significant book value loss. Though perhaps the profit on Santos, pure profit on Trev and George, will allow them to accept it and move on.

Though his wages are one of the lowest right? Maybe that means shifting him is not a priority?

Its a real shame he is made of biscuits, I think talent wise hs probably the best midfielder weve had for ages, when he was fit and match sharp (those 2 games) he was outstanding, and exactly what we need to play alongside Caicedo. As a partnership that would take some beating and would give us an outstanding basis to build on.

Unfortunately hes now stuck in an "Get injured - return from injury - start getting match fit - get injured" cycle. Now hes not the first player to have this at a young age, but its been so extensive and so many different injuries I dont think his body will ever recover. It looks like its his hamstrings that are the main issue, but then that obviously causes other muscle injuries due to dependency, its almost impossible to get out off all that without surgery and full rest, and he will never be afforded that opportunity at a top club who demand value from players.

I hate seeing the abuse he gets, hes not let anyone down, this is a young player battling through a broken body that will be destroying him mentally, all he wants to do is play football but cant. Its a real shame empathy has pretty much deserted football now.

Edited Friday at 07:263 days by dkw

53 minutes ago, dkw said:

Its a real shame he is made of biscuits, I think talent wise hs probably the best midfielder weve had for ages, when he was fit and match sharp (those 2 games) he was outstanding, and exactly what we need to play alongside Caicedo. As a partnership that would take some beating and would give us an outstanding basis to build on.

Unfortunately hes now stuck in an "Get injured - return from injury - start getting match fit - get injured" cycle. Now hes not the first player to have this at a young age, but its been so extensive and so many different injuries I dont think his body will ever recover. It looks like its his hamstrings that are the main issue, but then that obviously causes other muscle injuries due to dependency, its almost impossible to get out off all that without surgery and full rest, and he will never be afforded that opportunity at a top club who demand value from players.

I hate seeing the abuse he gets, hes not let anyone down, this is a young player battling through a broken body that will be destroying him mentally, all he wants to do is play football but cant. Its a real shame empathy has pretty much deserted football now.

I kind of hope he could go to Italy, perhaps on a year loan, where the weather is warmer for longer, there is more room on the pitch, its less intense in the middle of the park and he can get a string of games under his belt to develop his fitness and resilience. With our relationship with Milan (which hopefully isn't now shot with the departure of the entire sporting backroom) it would be a really good opportunity, i think if Lavia could hook up with Amorim for a season and then we can see what we have got at the end of that period.

I'm with you, he is a cracking player and cannot help the constraints of his body. But we have to do something commercially and at a sporting level that is best for him and also for Alonso's squad

11 hours ago, dermott said:

Book value mid-30s million it looks like.

We will never get to see details on a player by player basis but a chunk of our 24/25 loss was down to player impairment and my guess is that in 25/26 we will see another chunk impaired.

My point is that in the case of Lavia it’s quite likely that we have already accounted for loss

Lavia is absolutely quality. Lavia is also perennially injured. Real shame we can’t put him on a pay as you play contract.

Reminds me of when Arsenal used to have Abou Diaby. Unreal player for the 5 games a season they got out of him.

Has he been spotted on the training ground in any of the recent photos, or is he still in the treatment room ?

15 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Has he been spotted on the training ground in any of the recent photos, or is he still in the treatment room ?

Yes he was at pst.

A couple who weren’t there that was of interest Garnacho and Guiu . There are a couple of others not there I have just notified Dissasi and Hato and Badishelle ( spelling)

Every Chelsea player pictured at day one of pre-season training

• Wesley Fofana

• Geovany Quenda

• Levi Colwill

• Emanuel Emegha

• Liam Delap

• Ryan Kavuma-McQueen

• Cole Palmer

• Reggie Walsh

• Landon Emenalo

• Josh Acheampong

• Estevao

• Joao Pedro

• Romeo Lavia

• Jamie Gittens

• Tosin Adarabioyo

• Robert Sanchez

• Filip Jorgensen

• Dario Essugo

Edited Friday at 11:133 days by terraloon

1 hour ago, terraloon said:

Yes he was at pst.

A couple who weren’t there that was of interest Garnacho and Guiu . There are a couple of others not there I have just notified Dissasi and Hato and Badishelle ( spelling)

Every Chelsea player pictured at day one of pre-season training

• Wesley Fofana

• Geovany Quenda

• Levi Colwill

• Emanuel Emegha

• Liam Delap

• Ryan Kavuma-McQueen

• Cole Palmer

• Reggie Walsh

• Landon Emenalo

• Josh Acheampong

• Estevao

• Joao Pedro

• Romeo Lavia

• Jamie Gittens

• Tosin Adarabioyo

• Robert Sanchez

• Filip Jorgensen

• Dario Essugo

Hato was at WC with Netherlands so he'll get more rest time.

Anselmino was also pictured at training. I remember because I saw the guy and thought who the hell is he?

18 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Yeah that's a significant book value loss. Though perhaps the profit on Santos, pure profit on Trev and George, will allow them to accept it and move on.

Though his wages are one of the lowest right? Maybe that means shifting him is not a priority?

Doubtful, as we are extremely thin in midfield if that were to happen, and god help Caicedo if he goes into a 4th straight season with no one to help/rotate with him. Barco hasn't even been announced yet, so no idea if he's sticking around or they intend to loan him back to Strasbourg.

Not sure what we are doing, and its annoying.

49 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Doubtful, as we are extremely thin in midfield if that were to happen, and god help Caicedo if he goes into a 4th straight season with no one to help/rotate with him. Barco hasn't even been announced yet, so no idea if he's sticking around or they intend to loan him back to Strasbourg.

Not sure what we are doing, and its annoying.

Saving Barco to announce when we sell someone else, ala Quenda with the Santos sale perhaps.

Lavia cannot help our midfield issues, he cannot even complete 90 minutes.

2 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Saving Barco to announce when we sell someone else, ala Quenda with the Santos sale perhaps.

Lavia cannot help our midfield issues, he cannot even complete 90 minutes.

I assume Barco will announcement will wait until he is back from the world cup

13 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

I assume Barco will announcement will wait until he is back from the world cup

Could be that too aye.

9 hours ago, terraloon said:

• Landon Emenalo

Can he get his dad his job back please.