22 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

But FFP is

Total revenue.

Total spent on wages

Total spent on transfers. 

We have to report these figures to UEFA, but I'd love to see every club being forced to report them publicly on 1st September and to include line by line transfer cost per player. 

Wages and revenue can just be a total figure. 

But it is. 

Revenue is complicated. 

Total spent on wages is complicated. 

Every single team will try to find competitive advantage. Nobody will just be 100% honest. 

If you want team to be 100% honest with transfer fee and wages, you need a close system kinda similar to nba/nfl. It is very difficult to do something similar in football because you have so many market. 

 

12 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Sell on clause added I’d imagine to replace the remaining 11m that was part of Liverpools outright bid. 

Caicedo's Ecuadorian club is due 20% of his selling price. Covering their bases.

15 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

But it is. 

Revenue is complicated. 

Total spent on wages is complicated. 

Every single team will try to find competitive advantage. Nobody will just be 100% honest. 

If you want team to be 100% honest with transfer fee and wages, you need a close system kinda similar to nba/nfl. It is very difficult to do something similar in football because you have so many market. 

 

Hence the PL investigation under way into the former owners' payments of 600,000+ to Andreas Christensen's father for "scouting duties".

53 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

But it is. 

Revenue is complicated. 

Total spent on wages is complicated. 

Every single team will try to find competitive advantage. Nobody will just be 100% honest. 

If you want team to be 100% honest with transfer fee and wages, you need a close system kinda similar to nba/nfl. It is very difficult to do something similar in football because you have so many market. 

 

Revenue, share publicly your total revenue figure on the 1st September

Wages, share publicly your total wages figure on 1st September

Transfers, share a break down of each player and how much they are costing. 

I'm not asking the clubs to do anything they don't already do. They have to share this information directly with the league already, I want it all out in the open.

Where clubs fall into trouble is when they lie (eg Christensen dad thing). That's when investigations happen. And if they are forced to share the numbers publicly I think it would actually make lying harder. 

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Brilliant deal for us. That much is 100% certain.

But also think it will end up being more than worth it for you. The history of the Premier League shows that you don't win titles without a top class DMC.

14 minutes ago, SwedishEntity said:

Brilliant deal for us. That much is 100% certain.

But also think it will end up being more than worth it for you. The history of the Premier League shows that you don't win titles without a top class DMC.

if he can help us do that the 10-20mil extra wouldnt even matter.. who remembers that VVD and allison were once the most expensive defender.

Brilliant deal for Brighton if they reinvest... else the owner eats off the profit.

7 minutes ago, Jangz said:

if he can help us do that the 10-20mil extra wouldnt even matter.. who remembers that VVD and allison were once the most expensive defender.

Brilliant deal for Brighton if they reinvest... else the owner eats off the profit.

Some money will be reinvested, some money will be used to cover club operations.

Brighton is one of very few clubs in the PL trying to be actually financially sustainable, but without transfer income the club (like most PL clubs) would make a £50m-£100m losses every year. Some of the money received this summer will be used to cover that. Tony Bloom has spent £400m on Brighton and "profits" is probably not all that interesting, he just doesn't want the club to bleed money every year.

But there's complete faith in TB obviously. We were all worried when it was clear Bissouma would soon leave, "oh my god how are we going to replace him?". Then we signed Caicedo for £4m and no one gave a sh*t when Biss was sold to Spurs. If you have a genius in charge, you don't have to spend £100m to have a good team. The Brighton side that beat Luton 4-1 this weekend cost about £60m, with Joao Pedro being £30m of that.

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Tony Bloom has got the price he wanted, that was never in doubt. It was never in doubt that Chelsea would get the player if they paid that price and they have. The vitriol against Brighton from some Chelsea ‘fans’ made no sense but was highly amusing. Also amusing how Liverpool are now the target of that bullsh*t.

Brighton happy, Chelsea happy. No idea if any player is worth £115m but he is very, very good. Hope he does well.

37 minutes ago, Gulllible said:

Tony Bloom has got the price he wanted, that was never in doubt. It was never in doubt that Chelsea would get the player if they paid that price and they have. The vitriol against Brighton from some Chelsea ‘fans’ made no sense but was highly amusing. Also amusing how Liverpool are now the target of that bullsh*t.

Brighton happy, Chelsea happy. No idea if any player is worth £115m but he is very, very good. Hope he does well.

In all the radio phone ins over the weekend not one Brighton fan mentioned Chelsea in a derogatory way at all, they accept that players will leave, and have left for other PL clubs, one worry for them is that there might come a point where it hurts their form .

Leicester and Saints sold players and ended up relegated,  but there's no good hating Brighton when they seem unconcerned about us.

Hating Spurs is mandatory, and absolutely right !

Come on you BLUES !

1 hour ago, SwedishEntity said:

Some money will be reinvested, some money will be used to cover club operations.

Brighton is one of very few clubs in the PL trying to be actually financially sustainable, but without transfer income the club (like most PL clubs) would make a £50m-£100m losses every year. Some of the money received this summer will be used to cover that. Tony Bloom has spent £400m on Brighton and "profits" is probably not all that interesting, he just doesn't want the club to bleed money every year.

But there's complete faith in TB obviously. We were all worried when it was clear Bissouma would soon leave, "oh my god how are we going to replace him?". Then we signed Caicedo for £4m and no one gave a sh*t when Biss was sold to Spurs. If you have a genius in charge, you don't have to spend £100m to have a good team. The Brighton side that beat Luton 4-1 this weekend cost about £60m, with Joao Pedro being £30m of that.

Couple of pieces for me that dont seem right in this.. 

1) You had bought in Moises the summer before and had loaned him out.. i dont think he was a Bissouma replacement when he was signed.. i do credit your scouting team in finding him but to say that you signed because Bissouma was leaving isnt true..

2) It is easier to unearth these gems at brighton than at chelsea.. given the lower expectations and also more playing time available. The season we could do that with Lamps we unearthed our own 50-100 mil players in Tammy, Mason.. Reece is probably worth 150 mil.. Tommori went for 30 mil.. 

The point is with the amount of talent there is out there playing the game finding decent to good premier league players isnt that big a challenge.. Where a club like ours operates you need to pay a premium and attract the very best.. so its not a case of TB being a dud and Bloom a genious  .. i think its a case of different priorities..

anyways congrats to Brighton and respect for Bloom.. i dont hold any grudges.. though the manager Acerbi can learn a thing or two about the english game where we dont talk about players that dont belong to your club (Colwill).. Poch even yesterday refused to mention Caicedo..

5 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

In all the radio phone ins over the weekend not one Brighton fan mentioned Chelsea in a derogatory way at all, they accept that players will leave, and have left for other PL clubs, one worry for them is that there might come a point where it hurts their form .

Leicester and Saints sold players and ended up relegated,  but there's no good hating Brighton when they seem unconcerned about us.

Hating Spurs is mandatory, and absolutely right !

Come on you BLUES !

Its always a problem for teams like Brighton as there's not an infinite amount of Caicedos out there.  Plus other clubs knowing how successful they've been will try copying them by looking in the same market taking some of these players before they go to Brighton.  

I think its a shame that clubs that do great recruitment like the Monaco and A**x of a few years ago get pillaged by the big teams as soon as they gain any notoriety.  European football can get boring with the same old teams competing.  I really enjoyed seeing those exciting Monaco and A**x teams in Europe, it wouldve been nice if it was for more than a season or 2 and they could upset the established teams.  The same applies to league football Man Utd, Bayern, and the big 2 Spanish teams have ransacked their leagues over the years to maintain their dominance. Not sure how to make a fairer system but I think FFP is the complete opposite.

Just now, Jangz said:

Couple of pieces for me that dont seem right in this.. 

1) You had bought in Moises the summer before and had loaned him out.. i dont think he was a Bissouma replacement when he was signed.. i do credit your scouting team in finding him but to say that you signed because Bissouma was leaving isnt true..

2) It is easier to unearth these gems at brighton than at chelsea.. given the lower expectations and also more playing time available. The season we could do that with Lamps we unearthed our own 50-100 mil players in Tammy, Mason.. Reece is probably worth 150 mil.. Tommori went for 30 mil.. 

The point is with the amount of talent there is out there playing the game finding decent to good premier league players isnt that big a challenge.. Where a club like ours operates you need to pay a premium and attract the very best.. so its not a case of TB being a dud and Bloom a genious  .. i think its a case of different priorities..

anyways congrats to Brighton and respect for Bloom.. i dont hold any grudges.. though the manager Acerbi can learn a thing or two about the english game where we dont talk about players that dont belong to your club (Colwill).. Poch even yesterday refused to mention Caicedo..

1. Caicedo was bought in January 2021 because the club knew that Bissouma would soon leave. Same as why we bought Mitoma in the summer of 2021, because we knew Trossard would eventually leave. Both were great and none of them wanted to sign new contracts, so it wasn't a surprise. The succession planning we often talk about publically means that if any of the 30 most important people at the club leaves, there's a couple of names ready to replace them.

2. Doesn't matter that it is a big club. There's massive pressure in Real Madrid and Barcelona, more so than in any English club - doesn't prevent them from usually having a lot of young players from the academy in their teams. Players don't pick clubs because the expectations are lower or (usually not at least) because of more game time. If Chelsea or Manchester United (who were interested but didn't want to bother resolving all the issues of buying this player) had competed with Brighton for this player, he would have gone to either of them. But big clubs in England, City aside, does not really have plans. They get very limited value. With the money in English football, English teams should win all three European competitions pretty much every year and that doesn't happen.

Its not easier. Its just a matter of competence.

5 minutes ago, DarkMata said:

Its always a problem for teams like Brighton as there's not an infinite amount of Caicedos out there.  Plus other clubs knowing how successful they've been will try copying them by looking in the same market taking some of these players before they go to Brighton.  

I think its a shame that clubs that do great recruitment like the Monaco and A**x of a few years ago get pillaged by the big teams as soon as they gain any notoriety.  European football can get boring with the same old teams competing.  I really enjoyed seeing those exciting Monaco and A**x teams in Europe, it wouldve been nice if it was for more than a season or 2 and they could upset the established teams.  The same applies to league football Man Utd, Bayern, and the big 2 Spanish teams have ransacked their leagues over the years to maintain their dominance. Not sure how to make a fairer system but I think FFP is the complete opposite.

I loved that A**x team but as you say they were wrecked by wealthier clubs , it's a shame we didn't get to see more of them. 

Always amazed me how a small nation like Holland is always able to produce good league and National teams over the decades, along with the concept of Total Football 

I think there is a Ukraine team ( Shackter ?) who lost its best players after the invasion without even recieving any fees from wealthy European clubs too.

 

115m is crazy. And a sell-on clause as well. If the board were so dead set on getting him, we could have had him for 15m cheaper months ago.

21 minutes ago, SwedishEntity said:

With the money in English football, English teams should win all three European competitions pretty much every year

The money is spread between 20 clubs, those 20 clubs compete in a proper league with no hiding place, European competitors come from leagues with no depth, makes it easier for them to compete in Europe, unlike the English teams that have to juggle tough league games between European games.

 

36 minutes ago, DarkMata said:

Its always a problem for teams like Brighton as there's not an infinite amount of Caicedos out there.  Plus other clubs knowing how successful they've been will try copying them by looking in the same market taking some of these players before they go to Brighton.  

I think its a shame that clubs that do great recruitment like the Monaco and A**x of a few years ago get pillaged by the big teams as soon as they gain any notoriety.  European football can get boring with the same old teams competing.  I really enjoyed seeing those exciting Monaco and A**x teams in Europe, it wouldve been nice if it was for more than a season or 2 and they could upset the established teams.  The same applies to league football Man Utd, Bayern, and the big 2 Spanish teams have ransacked their leagues over the years to maintain their dominance. Not sure how to make a fairer system but I think FFP is the complete opposite.

Just looked and it is Donestk who are affected by a FIFA ruling allowing their foreign players to leave on a free. Tottenham got Solomon for free when Donestk would normally have got a  fee for him.

They are threatening to sue and want damages from FIFA for their lost income.

We had to sell our club because of the war in Ukraine while other ( wealthy) clubs are allowed to pillage a Ukrainian football club .

WTF ?

14 minutes ago, coco said:

The money is spread between 20 clubs, those 20 clubs compete in a proper league with no hiding place, European competitors come from leagues with no depth, makes it easier for them to compete in Europe, unlike the English teams that have to juggle tough league games between European games.

 

The team finishing bottom of the PL earn more than all but the top three Spanish teams.

Playing in a useless league would make it more difficult for a team when they suddenly come up against the might of a PL club who are  used to playing against very good sides every game I would have thought.

Anyway, we are soaking up the best players with our wealth, we don't have English owners , our players are from around the world , it's really a very good league because of foreign ownership, foreign players and foreign investment.

It doesn't bother me because there was a time when Spain and Italy were the money men.

And the way we have come from the dark ages to this is remarkable, although there's a lot to regret in the loss of old terraces, affordable entry, and youngsters able to attend with friends on game day .

 

Just now, The Rising Sun said:

it's really a very good league because of foreign ownership, foreign players and foreign investment.

English football dominated Europe in the late 70s and 80s until the ban, with no foreign owners, with only a couple of foreign players in the whole league, and with no investment. 

4 hours ago, Remodez said:

The price we've ended up paying for this guy is extremely embarrassing. 

I hope he's worth it but I've got a sinking feeling he won't prove anywhere near worth that price. 

Same I am still totally against paying this ridiculous sum but looking at Enzo performance yesterday he may well turn out to be a bargain from Benfica and if he stays 10 years then that’s more than a bargain so I hope this signing will turn out to be the same 

10 minutes ago, El regreso said:

Same I am still totally against paying this ridiculous sum but looking at Enzo performance yesterday he may well turn out to be a bargain from Benfica and if he stays 10 years then that’s more than a bargain so I hope this signing will turn out to be the same 

Enzo is a way more complete player and was more proven. 

Onana from Everton looks to be available for £50m, more reasonable signing imo.

11 minutes ago, Remodez said:

Enzo is a way more complete player and was more proven. 

Onana from Everton looks to be available for £50m, more reasonable signing imo.

In what way was enzo more proven? Yh he had a great world cup but only after the group stage (and plenty of players flash at world cups...james rodriguez anyone?) and half a season at benfica?...Now we obviously paid a huge sum for his potential and he looks utterly brilliant and a bargain now, caicedo is a more a known and proven quantity in terms of comparing when we signed both given he's had a full year in the prem

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16 minutes ago, Remodez said:

Enzo is a way more complete player and was more proven. 

Onana from Everton looks to be available for £50m, more reasonable signing imo.

There is a reason to Liverpool breaking their record to hijack our move for Caicedo and Bayern lurking around too. He’s top tier quality. He’s going to be one of our best players for the next decade, it’s a major coup.

Yeah we could sign Onana for 50m and watch Liverpool dominate the league and champions league with Caicedo, we’d be thinking if only we offered an extra 50/60m for him.

On a metric standpoint, Caicedo is second to only Rodri in ball winning, ball retention, and build up involvement. 

 

1 hour ago, coco said:

English football dominated Europe in the late 70s and 80s until the ban, with no foreign owners, with only a couple of foreign players in the whole league, and with no investment. 

Yes, those great times , no Scots involved , Only English managers, no money spent ,( Trevor Francis?) , The English national team winning trophies .

Why did we let it all disappear?

Btw that Scouse team that won the title at the Bridge when Dalglish scored didn't have an English player that day . I think ......maybe .fairly sure. The keeper definitely wasn't 😛😛😛