25 minutes ago, coco said:

All we need now is Lukaku to go to Spuds and it'll be a legendary window.

And I honestly thought that I couldn't hate Lukaku any more than I do.................................................................

Edited August 15, 20232 yr by coombsie

I  almost feel bored now.

A civil servant? Bored? Get away with you.

3 minutes ago, dermott said:

A civil servant? Bored? Get away with you.

I'm very busy saving society from whatever, but I need my Chelsea thrill!

What a coward, should have taken the #9 shirt

4 hours ago, Argo said:

Also makes me laugh with I hear "not done enough to overhaul United, Newcastle etc".

Our 21/22 team finishes 2nd in last season's league, a lot can change in a summer.

I'll never not be shocked at the sudden drop in the second half of that season. Around Christmas, it looked like we were definitely winning the league.

6 hours ago, just said:

i wish someone could post this on the Liverpool forum

3 hours ago, coombsie said:

YES YES YES PLEASE MAKE THIS HAPPEN 🙏🙏🙏

Just for him to do an interview after 5 weeks saying he really has always been a big fan of Saudi Arabian football 

Just had a listen the CEO of Brighton's interview on Talksport, he seemed genuinely gutted he couldn't sell Caicedo to Liverpool and had to sell to us instead.

Edited August 15, 20232 yr by 2211

Insane... bonkers insane... This man has huge boots to fill.... fingers crossed we got this one right. 

52 minutes ago, 2211 said:

Just had a listen the CEO of Brighton's interview on Talksport, he seemed genuinely gutted he couldn't sell Caicedo to Liverpool and had to sell to us instead.

Doesn't surprise me. The Brighton fanbase was desperate for Moises to go anywhere but here.

 

This is taken from Reddit - a Brighton fan posting on the Liverpool sub when it looked like Caicedo was destined for Anfield. It's a great write up but clear that there was general relief it looks like he wasn't coming to Chels.

 

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Moises Caicedo: A Brighton Fans Perspective (credit to /u/zephyrr-__-)

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Hello everyone here! Glad to see you're enjoying your sock party. Firstly, THANK YOU. You've come in at the last minute and have stopped Caicedo going to Chelsea and have caused a flood of tears. Now bias aside, I've noticed a few of you wondering about how Caicedo will fit your system and how he'll play for you so hopefully I'll be able to give a bit of insight into this.

Let's start with the basics, typically for us Caicedo would be playing as the defensive oriented midfielder in a double pivot, allowing Groß or Mac Allister to progress further up the pitch. For Liverpool he'll probably take up the space left by Fabinho, with Trent potentially playing the inverted role he did towards the end of last season alongside him.

First and foremost Caicedo is a defensive minded player, playing 61% of his 3140 minutes last season as a DM (per Opta) so let's start there. One of Caicedo's major strengths is his ability to quickly cover ground, he is an immense runner, whether that's in front of our back 4 or when players break through, Caicedo's ball recovery is next to none. His combination with Estupinan for us was a key reason why we performed so well last season, Estupinan would bomb down the left flank to provide support on the attack while Caicedo would cover the space left by Estupinan. In volume, Caicedo's numbers are fantastic. In the league last season only Palhinha made more tackles (144 to Caicedo's 100) and only Declan Rice made more interceptions (63 to Caicedo's 56) and within our squad was #1 in most defensive actions (Tackles, Interceptions, Duels Won, Possession Won).

Caicedo however is much more than this, one of his key tools is his ability to turn defence into attack, 18 times last season Caicedo regained possession which turned into a shot for us, a number only bettered by Rodri (19) and in terms of quality of those chances, 5.10 expected goals worth of attacks were created when Caicedo won possession (of which we actually scored 11), once again this number is only bettered by Rodri (5.89). Per Fbref, Caicedo attempts just short of 60 passes per 90, with an 86.4% pass completion rate whilst also being a tremendous passer across all ranges especially over short and medium distances with a 92.5% and 90.5% pass completion rate (per Opta).

Although our defensive midfielder, Caicedo's on the ball and progressive/attacking numbers are very impressive too. Per Fbref he completes 2.42 progressive carries per game and although he was only directly involved in 2 goals last season (1G, 1A) he was involved in 185 moves that ended in a shot (only behind Solly March, Alexis Mac Allister and Pascal Groß). He also had 41 chances created on the edge of the box, fourth in our squad for last season, looking at that in conjunction with his secondary chances and that number rises to 76, with only Pascal Groß creating more.

His comfortability with the ball doesn't just extend to going forward, he is fantastic under pressure too; coming under pressure 23.5 times per game, more than any other players from Brighton and most times his positioning and quick thinking allowed him to play a pass quickly into our more forward players without losing possession. Under possession Caicedo's pass accuracy is 86%, only bettered by Rodri and Enzo Fernandez.

Over the summer, Caicedo has been compared a lot to Declan Rice, largely due to their respective transfer fees. This I personally feel is unfair to Caicedo as it feels he and Rice fill very difficult roles. Although both are known for being defensive minded midfielders, Rice often pushes up the pitch more and is directly involved in the attack, whereas Moises is more of a destroyer who can progress the ball up the pitch and around the edge of the area.

In terms of fitting in at Liverpool, I believe he's going to fit like a glove; while he isn't used to playing in a single pivot, I believe he is more than able of handling that role, especially with his surrounding players. I also believe he'll settle in very easily, just look at how well Mac Allister has been for you during pre season, with that familiarity in both a midfielder partner and system I don't think it'll take long for Caicedo to hit his stride. You're getting a strong, powerful, versatile and dynamic defensive midfielder who is used to playing in a high pressing system, so I believe Liverpool is the perfect fit for him. Some may question the £110m price tag but at only 21 he's gonna become even better than he is now and could genuinely be a presence within your midfield for the next decade. I'm gonna miss him and Alexis a lot but Liverpool feels like the right place for both. Enjoy them and good luck next season.

 

 

Edited August 15, 20232 yr by Gordon Bennett

22 minutes ago, Gordon Bennett said:

Doesn't surprise me. The Brighton fanbase was desperate for Moises to go anywhere but here.

 

This is taken from Reddit - a Brighton fan posting on the Liverpool sub when it looked like Caicedo was destined for Anfield. It's a great write up but clear that there was general relief it looks like he wasn't coming to Chels.

 

 

 

Quite ironic them moaning about us supposedly looking down on them only to willingly play the submissive to a team that qualified for the exact same competition as they did.

 

Thoughts?!

43 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

 

Thoughts?!

In a few years time I dare say we'll all say he's the best player in our history to wear the #25 shirt ... 🙂 

54 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

 

Thoughts?!

Not fussed. It's what's inside the shirt and number.

11 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

In a few years time I dare say we'll all say he's the best player in our history to wear the #25 shirt ... 🙂 

Don't go there. Z is untouchable. 

 

Edited August 16, 20232 yr by Valerie

Franco has given his seal of approval. So if he is happy, so am I.

12 hours ago, evissy said:

Don't go there. Z is untouchable. 

Even @MunkworthTim, and Malta Blue have not said something so Wummy lmao

Well, that was a terrible debut, didn’t see him sprint once, looked lost and completely unfit and gave away a pen too 

Disaster. Normally it takes at least a few games for the new signings to adapt to being sh*t once they join. This must be a record.

1 minute ago, SimonH said:

Well, that was a terrible debut, didn’t see him sprint once, looked lost and completely unfit and gave away a pen too 

Yep, horrendous. 

West Ham signed Ward Prowse and he started straight away, the fact we couldn't do the same with Caicedo is very worrying. Not to mention the performance when he did come on. 

He missed all of preseason and is clearly not match fit, people need to be easy on him rather than writing him off after about 20 mins. The comparisons to Bakayoko are absurd.

Just now, Remodez said:

West Ham signed Ward Prowse and he started straight away, the fact we couldn't do the same with Caicedo is very worrying. Not to mention the performance when he did come on. 

Ward-Prowse featured in Southampton's first games this season and all their pre-season. Caicedo has had no competitive football since last season.

Clearly not match fit and a debut to forget.  He'll be fine.