23 minutes ago, El regreso said:

People complaining about Poch putting him on also moaned about him not starting maybe let the experience manager manage!!

I would expect a player who is worth £100m+ to be able to play to a ok standard, even with the little pre season games he had. He's not the first player to be thrown in at the start of a season with little match fitness. 

25 minutes ago, El regreso said:

People complaining about Poch putting him on also moaned about him not starting maybe let the experience manager manage!!

I didn't expect him to figure and as much as I rate Poch, on this occasion he got it wrong.

4 minutes ago, Remodez said:

I would expect a player who is worth £100m+ to be able to play to a ok standard, even with the little pre season games he had. He's not the first player to be thrown in at the start of a season with little match fitness. 

He's not worth 100m though. We are just idiots who are obsessed with giving Brighton money.

As debuts go that was a shambles.

Like Remodez said you expect a professional footballer to at least be able to pass the ball about and run with it.

23 minutes ago, Remodez said:

I would expect a player who is worth £100m+ to be able to play to a ok standard, even with the little pre season games he had. He's not the first player to be thrown in at the start of a season with little match fitness. 

You would expect but there is always the chance there was not enough time to prepare him and Poch took a gamble that went wrong. Caicedo is 21 years old. 

Same goes with Enzo penalty. There is always the chance. Today both went sideways and we lost. 

For me, you either start him, or bring him on when we are winning. There was enough pressure on him without coming into a derby when we are losing, and it looked like pressure rather than fitness that saw him make so many uncharacteristic mistakes.

He will be fine next match. Great player, who will have a great career. 

3 minutes ago, big blue said:

For me, you either start him, or bring him on when we are winning. There was enough pressure on him without coming into a derby when we are losing, and it looked like pressure rather than fitness that saw him make so many uncharacteristic mistakes.

He will be fine next match. Great player, who will have a great career. 

It was a bit irresponsible from Poch to field him and he knows it. It backfired and now media makes a meal of it. 

Anyway it is probably good this happens now and not in some crucial moment of the season. 

Hopefully Caicedo has a good head on his shoulders and he bounces right back. I expect him to. 

Pochettino is the right man to convince him and pat his back I am sure.

22 minutes ago, Chelsbear said:

As debuts go that was a shambles.

Like Remodez said you expect a professional footballer to at least be able to pass the ball about and run with it.

A certain Mr. Jorginho would disagree with that last bit.

I wonder if the plan is to create a base with Caicedo+Lavia. 

As a lone DM, I think he may struggle. 

5 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I wonder if the plan is to create a base with Caicedo+Lavia. 

As a lone DM, I think he may struggle. 

I was aware of Caicedo before we started to show interest but have to admit to not seeing huge amounts of him playing, so have to bow to the knowledge of those that have seen more of him to hopefully alleviate my fears. Those fears being that we have been sold another pup by f**king Brighton, who have already taken us to the cleaners on Potter, Cuca-poodle and possibly the keeper as well. That cameo yesterday really couldn't have gone much worse, bar a red card and other posters saying "he may struggle as a loan DM" when we have just spunked £115m, does not fill me with confidence!

 

 

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For 115M, I expect he's good enough to be a DM on his own. He probably didn't train at all preseason until his arrival,  few weeks behind schedule, and fed to the dogs in his little cameo. He may not even get a start on Friday if he's still not match fit, I think Poch is brave enough to make calls like that.

Imagine if he truly remaind Bakayoko levels of bad. Carraghers head may likely exploded...

 

Might be worth it...lol...

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11 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said:

For 115M, I expect he's good enough to be a DM on his own. He probably didn't train at all preseason until his arrival,  few weeks behind schedule, and fed to the dogs in his little cameo. He may not even get a start on Friday if he's still not match fit, I think Poch is brave enough to make calls like that.

Hasn't played since the end of last season, next to no pre-season or training due to the stand-off with Brighton. Looked very rusty and far from full fitness. It's on Poch for subbing him on. On the other hand, Poch would have been criticised if he hadn't brought him on. Lose-lose.

It does kind of prove that once a player leaves a certain system, it doesn't always work out. Brighton have a good thing going right now, but Bissouma left and hasn't been great for Spurs. Cucurella left and same again. Caicedo has left and the jury is out. It's happened plenty of times though. Take Salah out of Liverpool and would he be the same? The list goes on and on of players who leave one club/system/environment and do not thrive in another. Newcastle are a perfect example. They've got a good thing going, but generally their team is quite average. They are playing as a team though. Until we are playing as a cohesive unit, which takes time, then you won't see the full potential of our players. 

34 minutes ago, enigma said:

It does kind of prove that once a player leaves a certain system, it doesn't always work out. Brighton have a good thing going right now, but Bissouma left and hasn't been great for Spurs. Cucurella left and same again. Caicedo has left and the jury is out. It's happened plenty of times though. Take Salah out of Liverpool and would he be the same? The list goes on and on of players who leave one club/system/environment and do not thrive in another. Newcastle are a perfect example. They've got a good thing going, but generally their team is quite average. They are playing as a team though. Until we are playing as a cohesive unit, which takes time, then you won't see the full potential of our players. 

Outstanding v MU. Very good player who Conte seemed not to want and froze out.

Judging Caicedo on half an hour, very rusty and far from fully fit, after not having played a game since last season, who missed most of pre-season and had barely trained with Brighton due to the stand-off, redefines the word premature. 

20 hours ago, Nibs said:

I was aware of Caicedo before we started to show interest but have to admit to not seeing huge amounts of him playing, so have to bow to the knowledge of those that have seen more of him to hopefully alleviate my fears. Those fears being that we have been sold another pup by f**king Brighton, who have already taken us to the cleaners on Potter, Cuca-poodle and possibly the keeper as well. That cameo yesterday really couldn't have gone much worse, bar a red card and other posters saying "he may struggle as a loan DM" when we have just spunked £115m, does not fill me with confidence!

 

 

He worked best under De Zerbi in a compact system whilst operating in a midfield 2, which I assumed would be the plan here given Poch likes to play a 4231. Not seen enough of Caicedo as a lone DM.

Ugochukwu however can play as a lone DM. 

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

He worked best under De Zerbi in a compact system whilst operating in a midfield 2, which I assumed would be the plan here given Poch likes to play a 4231. Not seen enough of Caicedo as a lone DM.

Ugochukwu however can play as a lone DM. 

The big loser in all this is young Santos, who after a huge amount of media coverage from the club during pre-season now appears to have very little at all.  Can't even recall seeing him featured in the training photo galleries recently. Shame.

20 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

The big loser in all this is young Santos, who after a huge amount of media coverage from the club during pre-season now appears to have very little at all.  Can't even recall seeing him featured in the training photo galleries recently. Shame.

Still think he has a future here. With the new Champions League format we are going to be playing a sh*t ton of football. 

 

Enzo

Caicedo

Lavia

Ugochukwu

Santos

Casadei

15 hours ago, enigma said:

It does kind of prove that once a player leaves a certain system, it doesn't always work out. Brighton have a good thing going right now, but Bissouma left and hasn't been great for Spurs. Cucurella left and same again. Caicedo has left and the jury is out. It's happened plenty of times though. Take Salah out of Liverpool and would he be the same? The list goes on and on of players who leave one club/system/environment and do not thrive in another. Newcastle are a perfect example. They've got a good thing going, but generally their team is quite average. They are playing as a team though. Until we are playing as a cohesive unit, which takes time, then you won't see the full potential of our players. 

Bissouma has been great for spurs this season. 

On 21/08/2023 at 17:08, Remodez said:

I would expect a player who is worth £100m+ to be able to play to a ok standard, even with the little pre season games he had. He's not the first player to be thrown in at the start of a season with little match fitness. 

😱😱😱

Fitness is the foundation of everything. Passing, Shooting, running, skill, stamina, every single thing. Without fitness you do everything slower. I watch a half-fit Sane debut for City. He looked as slow as jorgi. I am talking about Leroy sane here. 

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22 hours ago, enigma said:

It does kind of prove that once a player leaves a certain system, it doesn't always work out. Brighton have a good thing going right now, but Bissouma left and hasn't been great for Spurs. Cucurella left and same again. Caicedo has left and the jury is out. It's happened plenty of times though. Take Salah out of Liverpool and would he be the same? The list goes on and on of players who leave one club/system/environment and do not thrive in another. Newcastle are a perfect example. They've got a good thing going, but generally their team is quite average. They are playing as a team though. Until we are playing as a cohesive unit, which takes time, then you won't see the full potential of our players. 

TBF Bissouma has probably been Spurs best player this season. Maybe Caicedo just needs a year to settle in... Premier league winners 24/25 here we come!

35 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

TBF Bissouma has probably been Spurs best player this season. Maybe Caicedo just needs a year to settle in... Premier league winners 24/25 here we come!

With any player, it comes down what you ask from him. It is not that complicated. 

 

Think the sooner everyone forget about his debut the better 😄 It was literally the wrong place and wrong time for him, it's not like he's coming on to score the equaliser. The best he could have done is to add more control in the midfield and hopefully free up others to score a goal.  Let's give the guy at least half a season before we pass judgment on him

43 minutes ago, icecoolguy22 said:

Think the sooner everyone forget about his debut the better 😄 It was literally the wrong place and wrong time for him, it's not like he's coming on to score the equaliser. The best he could have done is to add more control in the midfield and hopefully free up others to score a goal.  Let's give the guy at least half a season before we pass judgment on him

"But he costs 110m, he should be world class" "We lost and my feelings were hurt." "Another trick by Brighton. Hate those f**kers!" "Scammed again. We are the stupidest club in the world" "We are a laughing stock" 

Chelsea's data team showed how the duo (Caicedo + Lavia) would complement each other as a midfield combination. Primarily, they saw Lavia's strengths as a midfielder in possession, and Caicedo's forte out of possession.  (The Athletic)