2 hours ago, SwedishEntity said:

1. Caicedo was bought in January 2021 because the club knew that Bissouma would soon leave. Same as why we bought Mitoma in the summer of 2021, because we knew Trossard would eventually leave. Both were great and none of them wanted to sign new contracts, so it wasn't a surprise. The succession planning we often talk about publically means that if any of the 30 most important people at the club leaves, there's a couple of names ready to replace them.

2. Doesn't matter that it is a big club. There's massive pressure in Real Madrid and Barcelona, more so than in any English club - doesn't prevent them from usually having a lot of young players from the academy in their teams. Players don't pick clubs because the expectations are lower or (usually not at least) because of more game time. If Chelsea or Manchester United (who were interested but didn't want to bother resolving all the issues of buying this player) had competed with Brighton for this player, he would have gone to either of them. But big clubs in England, City aside, does not really have plans. They get very limited value. With the money in English football, English teams should win all three European competitions pretty much every year and that doesn't happen.

Its not easier. Its just a matter of competence.

1. On caicedo  - my point is you are always on the lookout for young talent since you know your best players get bought. But the way you are building a narrative of we bought Caicedo specifically for Bissouma isnt right. The only reason Caicedo was recalled to the squad in Jan 22 was because of injury crisis you had 8 MF players who played more than him.. Yes you could have seen the potential but to suggest that you expected caicedo who playing in Belgium to replace Bissouma in 6 months is very streteched. 

If Brighton were such a great club they wouldnt have loaned 20 u23 players and 12 first team players in a single season.  The strategy for brighton is also similar to Chelsea and it is called hoarding young talent and hoping for the next caicedo.. so all this talk of being such a well planned machine etc.. at the end of the day it is a simple business.

2. Even if i give you the first one.. you are way off on the next point.. The number of easy games you have at RM and Barca is crazy they dont have a top 6/8. Games against the bottom teams in la liga are like lower round league/fa cup games in England.. you can easily play youngsters. Again the point is about "young" players and they do pick clubs where they know that expectations are lower and they will get game time. A lot of players take this route nowadays.

3. Interested to know what plans are you talking about at city - Their best young talent frequently leaves them which "Caicedo" have they unearthed. The plan that worked for them is known as "Pep" and "Saudi Money".. now i am not saying that others dont do it.. just that to suggest city is this amazing place is complete nonsense..

43 minutes ago, ssur said:

In what way was enzo more proven? Yh he had a great world cup but only after the group stage (and plenty of players flash at world cups...james rodriguez anyone?) and half a season at benfica?...Now we obviously paid a huge sum for his potential and he looks utterly brilliant and a bargain now, caicedo is a more a known and proven quantity in terms of comparing when we signed both given he's had a full year in the prem

Key player for Benfica league title, Benfica European run and the WC. That's more than anything Caicedo has achieved so far.

They didn't pull that fee out of nowhere, they did it because he was that vital and that good. 

I have faith that Poch will integrate him well into our system also so we continue to see leading statistical performance.  Quite the change from Jorginho puffing to catch up with runners.

2 hours ago, Jangz said:

Couple of pieces for me that dont seem right in this.. 

1) You had bought in Moises the summer before and had loaned him out.. i dont think he was a Bissouma replacement when he was signed.. i do credit your scouting team in finding him but to say that you signed because Bissouma was leaving isnt true..

 

anyways congrats to Brighton and respect for Bloom.. i dont hold any grudges.. though the manager Acerbi can learn a thing or two about the english game where we dont talk about players that dont belong to your club (Colwill).. Poch even yesterday refused to mention Caicedo..

He, like many of Brighton's up and coming talent, was signed and then went on loan to Tony Bloom's Belgian club Union Saint-Gilloise. Brighton's policy is to always have at least one replacement coming through in the wings and rarely to let a player go until that replacement is considered good enough or (as was the case with Potter) a replacement from outside is fully researched and available. No illusions that this is easier said then done though, especially as time goes on.

Chelsea's pursuit of Caceido has been relentless for months (even allegedly 'agreeing terms' with him during last season only a few months after he signed a new contract). Brighton did their best to sign Colwill who was dithering over a new contract. I cant see why on earth you would consider holding a grudge or why its OK for Chelsea to pursue a Brighton player but not vice versa?

2 minutes ago, Gulllible said:

Chelsea's pursuit of Caceido has been relentless for months (even allegedly 'agreeing terms' with him during last season only a few months after he signed a new contract). Brighton did their best to sign Colwill who was dithering over a new contract. I cant see why on earth you would consider holding a grudge or why its OK for Chelsea to pursue a Brighton player but not vice versa?

No pursue the player put in a bid..you have also bought from chelsea in the past. so i dont understand how you came to this conclusion from my post.

the question is why would your manager speak about a player in media though.. managers dont do that in england.  Every manager that works with a chelsea player talks about how the player is chelsea's. Even yesterday Zerbi said they lost Colwill the fact is that he was never Brighton's

28 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Yes, those great times , no Scots involved , Only English managers, no money spent ,( Trevor Francis?) , The English national team winning trophies .

Why did we let it all disappear?

Btw that Scouse team that won the title at the Bridge when Dalglish scored didn't have an English player that day . I think ......maybe .fairly sure. The keeper definitely wasn't 😛😛😛

 

 

 

Lawrenson. 🤫

5 hours ago, Remodez said:

The price we've ended up paying for this guy is extremely embarrassing. 

I hope he's worth it but I've got a sinking feeling he won't prove anywhere near worth that price. 

Honest assessment.

Most fans will now say 'great business', whereby if he had gone to Liverpool it would have been ' than god, what a ridiculous price, glad we didn't pay it'! Such are all football fans!

For what its worth, I think you have signed a top player that has the potential to make a huge difference to your season.

At the end of the day the Chelsea owners can clearly afford to pay these sorts of transfer fees so probably not an issue. But are are you concerned that a time bomb is being set ticking with the policy of signing players on incredibly long contracts, on 2023 wages and. this could blow up in your face in say 6 years from now threatening the very future of your club?

Brighton nearly went out of existence due to massive financial mismanagement and fraud. I wouldn't wish that on any genuine fan of any club. I know you are Chelsea and probably feel invulnerable right now but history shows no one is too big to fail in any arena that is fundamentally about manging money.

1 minute ago, coco said:

Lawrenson. 🤫

The keeper was that corrupt bloke from Zimbabwe, can't even remember his name now 

3 minutes ago, Gulllible said:

Honest assessment.

Most fans will now say 'great business', whereby if he had gone to Liverpool it would have been ' than god, what a ridiculous price, glad we didn't pay it'! Such are all football fans!

For what its worth, I think you have signed a top player that has the potential to make a huge difference to your season.

At the end of the day the Chelsea owners can clearly afford to pay these sorts of transfer fees so probably not an issue. But are are you concerned that a time bomb is being set ticking with the policy of signing players on incredibly long contracts, on 2023 wages and. this could blow up in your face in say 6 years from now threatening the very future of your club?

Brighton nearly went out of existence due to massive financial mismanagement and fraud. I wouldn't wish that on any genuine fan of any club. I know you are Chelsea and probably feel invulnerable right now but history shows no one is too big to fail in any arena that is fundamentally about manging money.

Well , we've been on the brink before but nothing like Brighton's situation back when you lost the Goldstone and had to play at Gillingham.

I think we're ok though, but in football who knows?

1 minute ago, The Rising Sun said:

The keeper was that corrupt bloke from Zimbabwe, can't even remember his name now 

Brucey boy. Must of been the last English team to field two South Africans with Craig Johnson also in the team.

Club announcement incoming. 

8 minutes ago, Gulllible said:

Honest assessment.

Most fans will now say 'great business', whereby if he had gone to Liverpool it would have been ' than god, what a ridiculous price, glad we didn't pay it'! Such are all football fans!

For what its worth, I think you have signed a top player that has the potential to make a huge difference to your season.

At the end of the day the Chelsea owners can clearly afford to pay these sorts of transfer fees so probably not an issue. But are are you concerned that a time bomb is being set ticking with the policy of signing players on incredibly long contracts, on 2023 wages and. this could blow up in your face in say 6 years from now threatening the very future of your club?

Brighton nearly went out of existence due to massive financial mismanagement and fraud. I wouldn't wish that on any genuine fan of any club. I know you are Chelsea and probably feel invulnerable right now but history shows no one is too big to fail in any arena that is fundamentally about manging money.

We know what its like to be a poor club, on the verge of extinction more than once in my lifetime. 

Thankfully we managed to get through tough times.

Maybe do your history homework before lecturing us.

55 minutes ago, Gulllible said:

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At the end of the day the Chelsea owners can clearly afford to pay these sorts of transfer fees so probably not an issue. But are are you concerned that a time bomb is being set ticking with the policy of signing players on incredibly long contracts, on 2023 wages and. this could blow up in your face in say 6 years from now threatening the very future of your club?

 

This sounds like wishful thinking on your part.

Quite funny seeing some Brighton fans bitterness towards us for buying success, completely ignoring they were also bankrolled up the league with spending way beyond other clubs they were competing against.

You are also behoven to debt and in a position of owing money, "Brighton's £409m debt is the 4th highest in Premier League."

Edited August 14, 20232 yr by dkw

The long contract talk is moot. It simply protects their book value. Wages are the biggest detriment when selling a player, not contract length. With our incentivized contract approach if our players have high wages it means the club is in good standing competition wise, which defeats the purpose of us needing to sell our players. 

1 hour ago, Gulllible said:

Brighton did their best to sign Colwill who was dithering over a new contract.

Complete fantasy from Brighton to try and sign Colwill - naive in the extreme as he always wanted Chelsea. He said himself that it was an easy decision to sign the contract with us.

You might be good at selling big players but you've a lot to learn about buying them. 😂

2 hours ago, coco said:

We know what its like to be a poor club, on the verge of extinction more than once in my lifetime. 

Thankfully we managed to get through tough times.

Maybe do your history homework before lecturing us.

How the F was that a lecture? Get over yourself!

https://twitter.com/GFFN/status/1691137197401845770

 

https://x.com/chelseafc/status/1691140184316719112?s=46
 

Love this!

Official.

 

At 108 pages it’s done! Got to be a record surely lol 

Well he's ours now. Hopefully proves to be worth the money.

Brilliant!

If I could have chosen one player for us to sign this summer it would have been Caicedo, he's that good. Him and Enzo are going to form a marvelous partnership.

Hell yes!! What a massive lift this is.  I don't care about the money - quality is just that.