I am not sure why his price tag is such a big deal. Everyone know that he is not worth 100m but Caicedo is very good  and overpaying for good player is not a problem

 

Edited October 14, 20232 yr by Bob stark

Noticed he loves that outside of the foot pass on his first touch. 

Got some technical quality. 

3 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Noticed he loves that outside of the foot pass on his first touch. 

Got some technical quality. 

In my opinion he has already become the key midfielder.

If we don't have Conor and in comes Carney there is a drop off but it is workable.

Likewise if we don't have Enzo and in comes Santos or Lavia there is a drop off but again is workable.

We don't have Caicedo the drop off is huge and our midfield loses a lot.

Does not mean Conor and Enzo are not very good players, just not as important to the team, or as good overall, as Moises.

Another game another goal and looked very comfortable. Can see that he's clearly above the level he is playing at and needs more game time. 

Quite funny how some of our players get written off so quickly but forget the fact he is still only 21. A lot of our signings have such high ceilings but they are not near there yet and require a lot of training and growth to hit those heights which Im sure a lot of players will end up hitting.

very exciting times ahead

What are the thoughts on Caicedo to date?

Still very early days and yes, he is only 21, but I have to admit I'm underwhelmed up to now. He's a tidy enough player but never going to give us much in the way of goals or assists and so far he hasn't protected the defence a great deal and we're still conceding. With Kante it was evident from day 1 how good a player he was and the fact that he was like having two players. When you look at the much bigger impact Palmer has had on the team for a fraction of the price, can only hope Caicedo steps up a few gears in the tough upcoming fixtures.

I know the price tag has nothing to do with him, but £115M British record when the side was crying out for a decent striker, still has me shaking my head.

  

8 minutes ago, Nibs said:

What are the thoughts on Caicedo to date?

Still very early days and yes, he is only 21, but I have to admit I'm underwhelmed up to now. He's a tidy enough player but never going to give us much in the way of goals or assists and so far he hasn't protected the defence a great deal and we're still conceding. With Kante it was evident from day 1 how good a player he was and the fact that he was like having two players. When you look at the much bigger impact Palmer has had on the team for a fraction of the price, can only hope Caicedo steps up a few gears in the tough upcoming fixtures.

I know the price tag has nothing to do with him, but £115M British record when the side was crying out for a decent striker, still has me shaking my head.

  

He has a good passing range to him, likes a tackle and brings physicality which is an asset.

I think he will be a very important player for us, but I agree the price we went to to get him was too high.

But that has been our business practice for the most part right? We have been overpaying for basically everyone we have signed, what hope do we have of selling any of them on for profits?

Realistically we had Ugochukwu signed up as a pure DM, we had Santos and Casadei as talented young players that cost what? 20mill each. What's the plan now? Hope they have an amazing loan and sell them for 30mill? Not much of a profit, if any, when considering wages.

25 minutes ago, Nibs said:

What are the thoughts on Caicedo to date?

Still very early days and yes, he is only 21, but I have to admit I'm underwhelmed up to now. He's a tidy enough player but never going to give us much in the way of goals or assists and so far he hasn't protected the defence a great deal and we're still conceding. With Kante it was evident from day 1 how good a player he was and the fact that he was like having two players. When you look at the much bigger impact Palmer has had on the team for a fraction of the price, can only hope Caicedo steps up a few gears in the tough upcoming fixtures.

I know the price tag has nothing to do with him, but £115M British record when the side was crying out for a decent striker, still has me shaking my head.

We are still conceding because this team can't keep their defensive composure.

- Burnley the entire back line were at fault for the goal. It was shambolic. 

- Arsenal was a result of Sanchez being a f**kwit as Caicedo had that midfield on lockdown. 

- Brentford we had Disasi and Madueke ball watching, not to mention Sterling being as useful as a tree when tracking back. 

Can't really pin any of that on Caicedo. We were conceding goals like these last season even with a fit Kante. It's something we need to build on to mitigate. 

4 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

We are still conceding because this team can't keep their defensive composure.

- Burnley the entire back line were at fault for the goal. It was shambolic. 

- Arsenal was a result of Sanchez being a f**kwit as Caicedo had that midfield on lockdown. 

- Brentford we had Disasi and Madueke ball watching, not to mention Sterling being as useful as a tree when tracking back. 

Can't really pin any of that on Caicedo. We were conceding goals like these last season even with a fit Kante. It's something we need to build on to mitigate. 

We had a fit Kante last season? I must have blinked and missed it.

1 minute ago, axman2526 said:

We had a fit Kante last season? I must have blinked and missed it.

Probably because it was something we likely tried removing from memory. 

 

Real Madrid 4/12

Real Madrid 4/18

Brentford 4/26

Arsenal 5/2

Bournemouth 5/6

 

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Probably because it was something we likely tried removing from memory. 

 

Real Madrid 4/12

Real Madrid 4/18

Brentford 4/26

Arsenal 5/2

Bournemouth 5/6

 

Aye. 5 games of a half fit Kante. A sorry way for his amazing career with us to end.

1 hour ago, Nibs said:

What are the thoughts on Caicedo to date?

Still very early days and yes, he is only 21, but I have to admit I'm underwhelmed up to now. He's a tidy enough player but never going to give us much in the way of goals or assists and so far he hasn't protected the defence a great deal and we're still conceding. With Kante it was evident from day 1 how good a player he was and the fact that he was like having two players. When you look at the much bigger impact Palmer has had on the team for a fraction of the price, can only hope Caicedo steps up a few gears in the tough upcoming fixtures.

I know the price tag has nothing to do with him, but £115M British record when the side was crying out for a decent striker, still has me shaking my head.

  

He is a good player and I think will only improve as he settles into the team and system. He doesn't strike me as a player that will score many but his main role is more defensive. Really I think Enzo and Conor need to start weighing in with some goals.

That being said I agree with you, at least in the short term. Given our needs at the time we would have been better off spending less on a defensive mid and going for a striker instead. Presumably Caicedo would have then gone to Liverpool for a similar price. 

Sure, we may end up investing in a striker in January but whoever comes in may need the rest of the season to settle in. At least looking at the current decision, the decision to hold off on signing another striker in the last window may well have cost the club a chance of a European spot.

Looking beyond this season we should have a solid midfield for years to come. Now we need a few players who can score goals regularly.

2 hours ago, Nibs said:

What are the thoughts on Caicedo to date?

Still very early days and yes, he is only 21, but I have to admit I'm underwhelmed up to now. He's a tidy enough player but never going to give us much in the way of goals or assists and so far he hasn't protected the defence a great deal and we're still conceding. With Kante it was evident from day 1 how good a player he was and the fact that he was like having two players. When you look at the much bigger impact Palmer has had on the team for a fraction of the price, can only hope Caicedo steps up a few gears in the tough upcoming fixtures.

I know the price tag has nothing to do with him, but £115M British record when the side was crying out for a decent striker, still has me shaking my head.

  

Tidy player and he'll be the main man with Enzo for the next decade hopefully.

Having said that, realistically he's a £60m player max. Brighton knew we were desperate and fleeced us for every penny they could. Can't blame them, its done now though so just got to support the lad.

Yeah, think we all agree he was signed for the long-term plan and is a tidy player but we paid well over the odds for him. Guess I'm expecting a bit more than I've seen so far for £115m. Wonder if the price tag has effected him as it has done quite a few players in the past.

 

 

1 hour ago, Nibs said:

Yeah, think we all agree he was signed for the long-term plan and is a tidy player but we paid well over the odds for him. Guess I'm expecting a bit more than I've seen so far for £115m. Wonder if the price tag has effected him as it has done quite a few players in the past.

 

 

I don't think the pressure is affecting him to be honest, had it been he'd have crumbled like a pack of cards after his horror debut.

I get there's high standards set with his price tag but I largely like what I've seen of him so far, especially in possession which I think is what made him so appealing, he's a lot better than the 'traditional' DM/B2B player in possesion.

8 minutes ago, Argo said:

I don't think the pressure is affecting him to be honest, had it been he'd have crumbled like a pack of cards after his horror debut.

I get there's high standards set with his price tag but I largely like what I've seen of him so far, especially in possession which I think is what made him so appealing, he's a lot better than the 'traditional' DM/B2B player in possesion.

Do you think the problem lies with Gallagher then Argo?

39 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Do you think the problem lies with Gallagher then Argo?

I think midfield is the least of our worries aslong as most are healthy at one time, got a bit of everything there.

6 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Aye. 5 games of a half fit Kante. A sorry way for his amazing career with us to end.

Yes, has played in every game since moving to Saudi.

25 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Yes, has played in every game since moving to Saudi.

Good I am glad for him.

I don't have an issue with signing Caicedo, paid over the odds but got a very talented player. He hasn't been great so far, but will improve and be a top player.  I do have a serious problem with signing Levia after we already wrapped up Caicedo deal, when we could have spent the money on an attacking who's going  contribute a few goals or assists. The theory or logic seems to be if we beef up one area, other areas will improve automaitcally as the overflow effect. Not even going to talk about the other half a dozen 'wonder kids' we signed for the same position.

1 hour ago, Argo said:

I think midfield is the least of our worries aslong as most are healthy at one time, got a bit of everything there.

I agree Argo. It may all be bollox but the stattos tell us that our xG is the best in the division. Isn't this a derivative of chance creation. So I am not particularly worried about our midfield, its our attack that is shambolic along with, as @Sconnie Blue points out some criminally poor lapses of concentration defensively. 

19 hours ago, Nibs said:

What are the thouI ghts on Caicedo to date?

Still very early days and yes, he is only 21, but I have to admit I'm underwhelmed up to now. He's a tidy enough player but never going to give us much in the way of goals or assists and so far he hasn't protected the defence a great deal and we're still conceding. With Kante it was evident from day 1 how good a player he was and the fact that he was like having two players. When you look at the much bigger impact Palmer has had on the team for a fraction of the price, can only hope Caicedo steps up a few gears in the tough upcoming fixtures.

I know the price tag has nothing to do with him, but £115M British record when the side was crying out for a decent striker, still has me shaking my head.

  

Very underwhelming so far.

But thats the problem when you bring young players into a group in the midst of a massive struggle. Extremely few are so good that their sheer impact will lift the entire team and Caicedo is neither that good or that kind of player even though he was impressive at Brighton. Individually both Caicedo and Enzo are good to very good footballers but they been thrown into a club in disarray and are getting dragged down with the vortex like everyone else around them.

The situation is really precarious and in my opinion its utterly naive to take the stance that time and patience will fix all this. Reactions post Brentford from both players and managers worried me greatly. They all looked extremely resigned to the fact that this season will be no different to last and possibly worse.
And when even the belief that it may get better goes thats when you are utterly screwed.

 

 

Edited October 31, 20232 yr by OriginalS

16 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Tidy player and he'll be the main man with Enzo for the next decade hopefully.

Having said that, realistically he's a £60m player max. Brighton knew we were desperate and fleeced us for every penny they could. Can't blame them, its done now though so just got to support the lad.

This.

Caicedo is very good and will get better but for 100m, no thanks. 

Unlike pool whose winning window is right now, we are not that desperate. 

Edited October 31, 20232 yr by Bob stark

On 30/10/2023 at 22:14, icecoolguy22 said:

I don't have an issue with signing Caicedo, paid over the odds but got a very talented player. He hasn't been great so far, but will improve and be a top player.  I do have a serious problem with signing Levia after we already wrapped up Caicedo deal, when we could have spent the money on an attacking who's going  contribute a few goals or assists. The theory or logic seems to be if we beef up one area, other areas will improve automaitcally as the overflow effect. Not even going to talk about the other half a dozen 'wonder kids' we signed for the same position.

TBF, didn't we sign Palmer after the Lavia deal went through?

On 30/10/2023 at 18:04, Nibs said:

Yeah, think we all agree he was signed for the long-term plan and is a tidy player but we paid well over the odds for him. Guess I'm expecting a bit more than I've seen so far for £115m. Wonder if the price tag has effected him as it has done quite a few players in the past.

 

 

Quite simply, no DM is actually worth £115m so you have to put the price aside.

For me, he's been good when he has the ball and has looked quite suspect/dodgy without it but I guess that's part of adapting to a new system/team.