June 18Jun 18 Author Whatever your opinion is on Enzo, this is the biggest damning indictment of how much of a failure BlueCo are their project was. Their poster boy, a team they specifically wanted to build around, is demanding to leave because he doesn't believe in what they sold him. My god, if we have another disaster window this summer.
June 18Jun 18 18 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:MARCA reporting Enzo is Mourinho's #1 target.Not buying it. Think it’s either his agent throwing him in the mix, or Madrid using him to get West Ham to lower their valuation on Matheus Fernandez. Jorge Mendes is Mourinho’s agent, Bernardo Silva’s agent and Matheus Fernandes’s agent. There is absolute no way he will risk a dressing room unrest with characters like Mbappe & Vinicius by signing Enzo.
June 18Jun 18 13 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:Enzo Fernandez is a world class midfield player and it is only amongst the "experts" around here that his value is not recognised. I will be sad to see him go - although not devastated. lol.A what? Paying world class fees doesn’t make a player world class.
June 18Jun 18 12 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:Whatever your opinion is on Enzo, this is the biggest damning indictment of how much of a failure BlueCo are their project was. Their poster boy, a team they specifically wanted to build around, is demanding to leave because he doesn't believe in what they sold him.My god, if we have another disaster window this summer.It’s exactly the reason he needs to be sold! He represents everything bad about the club for the last few years so if they really do want to turn a new leaf, it starts by showing him the door
June 18Jun 18 1 hour ago, TheCeleryKing said:Fact no.1 - Captain of Chelsea FCchosen to be Captain because he has experience and leadershippretty obvious reallyReece James is the captain. Enzo was BlueCo's vanity project that has failed and he's using his fantastic leadership qualities to force a move from the club. What a leader!
June 18Jun 18 1 minute ago, GarnachoCheese said:Reece James is the captain.Enzo was BlueCo's vanity project that has failed and he's using his fantastic leadership qualities to force a move from the club. What a leader!Reece was the Captain when he was fit. Enzo when he wasn't. Due to the fact that Enzo is a leader. I get it, you don't rate him - however in the global world of football he is a highly rated midfield player.
June 18Jun 18 46 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:Whatever your opinion is on Enzo, this is the biggest damning indictment of how much of a failure BlueCo are their project was. Their poster boy, a team they specifically wanted to build around, is demanding to leave because he doesn't believe in what they sold him.My god, if we have another disaster window this summer.We were always a stepping stone for him to move to Spain. He's a mercenary, like he showed pushing for the move from Benfica.
June 18Jun 18 3 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:Reece was the Captain when he was fit. Enzo when he wasn't. Due to the fact that Enzo is a leader.I get it, you don't rate him - however in the global world of football he is a highly rated midfield player.Reece James was and is the captain. Enzo was shoehorned in because the club wasted 120M on him and had to justify them getting ripped off by trying to make him the face of the club. Enzo repaid them by racially abusing his teammates, ghosting for most of the season, arguing with team mates on the pitch and then forcing a move after helping us to a 10th place finish. Great leader. Its a shame to see people be so weak minded and buy into BlueCo's PR. At least they have seen the error of their ways and their failure and are letting him leave.
June 18Jun 18 20 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:Reece was the Captain when he was fit. Enzo when he wasn't. Due to the fact that Enzo is a leader.I get it, you don't rate him - however in the global world of football he is a highly rated midfield player.We will see how much the football community rates him when they all open the bidding for him around 100 million and demand he plays for them... We should start Limosine watch along the Kings road to see who's buying him... Shame Arsenal arent in for him.
June 18Jun 18 2 hours ago, TheCeleryKing said:I don't think you can truly blame him for that.The hatred for Enzo on these boards is a little odd. Opinions of Enzo amongst Chelsea fans IRL is positive in my experience.So hes a great leader, deserved to be captain but when he failed it wasn't his fault, how very convenient.You like to label those who aren't impressed with him but you and a few others are completely blinkered to why we dont rate him, using him playing behind Messi as some kind of quality leader indicator is a ridiculous premis.you dont seem to want to argue about his displays for us, all the negatives many people have now brought up about him, just that he's a leader because you said so, and he's dead good because you say so, and anyone who doesnt agree is a hater.Every single Chelsea fans I've spoken to about him want rid, they see him for what he is, a one trick pony who brings way more problems to a side than positives. Edited June 18Jun 18 by dkw
June 18Jun 18 I think Enzo will be every bit the player he is for Argentina over in Spain, the tempo over there will suit him. He’s a decent enough player, he’s just not cut out for the Premier Leagues pace and physicality, it really is that simple of a situation.
June 18Jun 18 9 hours ago, GarnachoCheese said:Guess which is Enzo and which is KDH. One finished 10th, the other 13th. I think the comparison is more than fair and its insulting to insinuate KDH is a terrible footballer.Wow! Do you actually remember KDH playing for us?You do understand he's now playing for a lower-tier side because he's a lower-tier player, right?That's been my point all along: you're ignoring the massive gap in how the game values these players. Whether you look at transfer fees, market valuations, club status, or international status, the gap is enormous.If you think KDH and Enzo are operating at roughly the same level, it's your burden to explain why virtually every measure of player value says otherwise.
June 18Jun 18 Enzo hasnt been perfect, far from it, but he has contributed with goals and assists. In my opinion hes a luxury player, if we were top notch that would be fine but we are not. If/when he goes thats fine, we have bigger problems than this fella. The funds from his sale would be welcome and help us with incoming players. It's no big deal. This forum is out of kilter with other Chelsea fans some think he is fantastic.
June 18Jun 18 17 minutes ago, OTL said:Enzo hasnt been perfect, far from it, but he has contributed with goals and assists. In my opinion hes a luxury player, if we were top notch that would be fine but we are not. If/when he goes thats fine, we have bigger problems than this fella. The funds from his sale would be welcome and help us with incoming players. It's no big deal. This forum is out of kilter with other Chelsea fans some think he is fantastic.Luxury player lol.Hell no he isnt.
June 18Jun 18 9 minutes ago, KonaKai Blue said:Luxury player lol.Hell no he isnt.look up the definition, maybe.
June 18Jun 18 41 minutes ago, OTL said:look up the definition, maybe.I know what a luxury player is. Enzo is not that. Only thing luxury is the amount he cost.Luxury players have a bit of pizzazz about them. He has nothing. Literally an Argentinian KDH
June 18Jun 18 Ive just checked hes not a luxury player, you are right👍 lets hope we can offload him.He is a player that has contributed to goals and assists which is probably why some not necessarily on this forum like him. Edited June 18Jun 18 by OTL
June 18Jun 18 5 hours ago, dkw said:Every single Chelsea fans I've spoken to about him want rid . . That is not true. I would like to keep him. lol . . .and I am a Chelsea fan. The anti-Enzo 'herd' mentality on this message board wins. I mean the lad is leaving Chelsea FC by the looks of things. Cheerio Enzo. I thought he was a decent player - although i am not heartbroken when/if he leaves. Now I just have Malo Gusto and Jamie Gittens to defend.
June 19Jun 19 I like Enzo - consistently backed him here. I think the reason for most of the hate is the price tag - and he has no control over that. I have said all along, he is for me, the argentinian Dennis Wise. A good techincal player, not the most athletic, likes a bit of sh*thousery, and is good for a goal. I think we are a worse team without him at the moment. We struggle with goals from midfield. he is one of the few who is capable of it. Dont want him to go and think a far bigger miss than cucu.
June 19Jun 19 I think most of the dislike is because he is not what people hoped he would be. He's an expensive signing who isn't always the best performer on the park. He's a vice-captain who isn't a particularly good leader and was made one on profile alone, despite his objectively stupid, racist antics. He's supposed to be a technical player, but can't dribble. He's a playmaker that scores goals but rarely makes assists outside corners. He's a great passer who told the club he doesn't want to play in a position that makes use of that passing ability. He's a great sh*thouser but doesn't actually step up defensively when it counts. He's a good goalscorer but doesn't actually get that many given how much the team is required to change to support his ability to get forward. He is the face of BlueCo's project, but doesn't want to be part of it.Altogether, the common theme is that Enzo has not given back to the club or the team what it has given to him. It is distasteful. The one time I think many people have actually supported him is on that last part, because he spoke truthfully. His contributions are not irreplaceable. 10 goals from midfield in his prime is closer to Di Matteo, Poyet or even Mason Mount, not Frank Lampard. There are many midfielders out there who could match or better that contribution, who don't require so much sacrifice from the rest of the team.
June 19Jun 19 2 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:I think most of the dislike is because he is not what people hoped he would be. He's an expensive signing who isn't always the best performer on the park. He's a vice-captain who isn't a particularly good leader and was made one on profile alone, despite his objectively stupid, racist antics. He's supposed to be a technical player, but can't dribble. He's a playmaker that scores goals but rarely makes assists outside corners. He's a great passer who told the club he doesn't want to play in a position that makes use of that passing ability. He's a great sh*thouser but doesn't actually step up defensively when it counts. He's a good goalscorer but doesn't actually get that many given how much the team is required to change to support his ability to get forward. He is the face of BlueCo's project, but doesn't want to be part of it.Altogether, the common theme is that Enzo has not given back to the club or the team what it has given to him. It is distasteful. The one time I think many people have actually supported him is on that last part, because he spoke truthfully. His contributions are not irreplaceable. 10 goals from midfield in his prime is closer to Di Matteo, Poyet or even Mason Mount, not Frank Lampard. There are many midfielders out there who could match or better that contribution, who don't require so much sacrifice from the rest of the team.This is the most important part, hes easily replaceable in every aspect of his game, I dont care about his price tag, it matters not a jot once hes on the field. He simply isnt good enough in pretty much every single thing needed by either a midfielder or an attacking midfielder other than being a penalty area crasher, which means you then have to build around him to get the best of that, and we definitely shouldnt do that.So annoying to see people claiming were haters if we dont like him, but then refuse to actually discuss our opinions on his limitations.
June 19Jun 19 Man Utd fans for years have been moaning to be how bad Bruno was. He was very unpopular.I would always say, fair enough, you watch him more than me but at least he gives you G/A. My midfielder Enzo doesn't give me anything soecial from Midfield.
June 19Jun 19 16 hours ago, acaeus said:Wow! Do you actually remember KDH playing for us?You do understand he's now playing for a lower-tier side because he's a lower-tier player, right?That's been my point all along: you're ignoring the massive gap in how the game values these players. Whether you look at transfer fees, market valuations, club status, or international status, the gap is enormous.If you think KDH and Enzo are operating at roughly the same level, it's your burden to explain why virtually every measure of player value says otherwise.Playing for a lower tier side and outperforming Enzo in a better side. What does that say about Enzo? Yes, i remember KDH playing for us. He was afforded 250 minutes in the premier league because BlueCo couldn't afford to see their poster boy dropped. Since leaving he's proven he's every bit as effective as Enzo in a much worse team. Transfer fees are irrelevant when you look at what they're producing on a match day.
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