52 minutes ago, El regreso said:

If Poch comes under scrutiny we deserve everything we get. This shortsighted mentality is what will keep us from progressing. 
Arsenal had this same problem and instead of listening to the mob of fans calling for his head they stuck to the project and now they are miles ahead of us(yes we gave them game but they will finish at least 5 places ahead of us probably more)

If the club sack Poch meh I would stop caring because the guy hasn’t been in the job six months has a team riddled with injuries and a bunch of new players to bed in and fans really talking about scrutiny.

I don’t think the majority of the fans are advocating for Poch to be sacked. That’s probably the minority who are just reactionary. I think the consensus is everyone is frustrated and looking for someone to blame. Even though I don’t agree with that approach I understand it. I mean look at spurs, Arsenal, liverpool. All of them are improving yet Chelsea is stagnating. I personally believe Poch will turn it around. It’s not his fault he has a sub par squad. Hopefully he will the address the issue at the end of the season and take Chelsea to the next level. 

What works against Poch is his history with low blocks. 

Struggled with it at Spurs with the best striker in the country. Struggled with it at PSG with the best front three in the world by an absolute mile. 

17 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

What works against Poch is his history with low blocks. 

Struggled with it at Spurs with the best striker in the country. Struggled with it at PSG with the best front three in the world by an absolute mile. 

And how is he going to fix it with what we have?

No matter if we get him Toney, Oshiman or both, they are not as good as Kane, or the front 3 he had at PSG.

If he legitimately has no idea how to break a low block, then his time here is doomed.

29 minutes ago, Faisal said:

I don’t think the majority of the fans are advocating for Poch to be sacked. That’s probably the minority who are just reactionary. I think the consensus is everyone is frustrated and looking for someone to blame. Even though I don’t agree with that approach I understand it. I mean look at spurs, Arsenal, liverpool. All of them are improving yet Chelsea is stagnating. I personally believe Poch will turn it around. It’s not his fault he has a sub par squad. Hopefully he will the address the issue at the end of the season and take Chelsea to the next level. 

Stagnation? Last year after 10 games we were 6th on 17 points with 5 wins.

Now we are 11th after 10 games on 12 points from 3 wins.

We are going backwards, nevermind stagnating or going forwards.

23 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Stagnation? Last year after 10 games we were 6th on 17 points with 5 wins.

Now we are 11th after 10 games on 12 points from 3 wins.

We are going backwards, nevermind stagnating or going forwards.

After the first 10 games it all went downhill for potter though didn't it? 

If that continues onto this season we are doomed and are officially mid table. 

I think our defence and midfield is decent but lacking creativity and has errors in them and our front 3 are inexperienced and inconsistent.

We can't beat low blocks and we concede far too easily with comical defending or stupid errors. 

 

1 minute ago, Conte said:

After the first 10 games it all went downhill for potter though didn't it? 

If that continues onto this season we are doomed and are officially mid table. 

I think our defence and midfield is decent but lacking creativity and has errors in them and our front 3 are inexperienced and inconsistent.

We can't beat low blocks and we concede far too easily with comical defending or stupid errors. 

 

Well it won't get better quickly, Spurs, City then Newcastle, lot more pressure building after those losses.

6 minutes ago, Conte said:

After the first 10 games it all went downhill for potter though didn't it? 

If that continues onto this season we are doomed and are officially mid table. 

I think our defence and midfield is decent but lacking creativity and has errors in them and our front 3 are inexperienced and inconsistent.

We can't beat low blocks and we concede far too easily with comical defending or stupid errors. 

 

I think the difference though is that the bar was higher for Potter. The team was in a better place when Potter took over. Poch is essentially tying to get a midtable team back into Europe.

11 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

I think the difference though is that the bar was higher for Potter. The team was in a better place when Potter took over. Poch is essentially tying to get a midtable team back into Europe.

Did Potter have a better squad that Pochettino really?

When Potter started he had Kepa and a terribly out of form Mendy, Sanchez is a step up on both.

Defence? Poch has a very good back up to James, Potter did not, poch also has Colwill, arguably our best defender. The rest are basically a like for like.

Midfield? Pochettino has Enzo and Caicedo, Potter only got a few months with Enzo, none with Caicedo. Potter got a woeful Mount, and a crocked Kante along with an out of form Kova.

Forwards? Poch has Palmer as least, the rest are the same basically. Poch gets a more settled Mudryk, not one that just left his war torn home.

Look I want Poch to get his time, as any manager should get. He is doing an inferior job to Potter so far imo, and appears to have admitted defeat to low block sides now.

He needs to step it up.

Edited October 29, 20232 yr by axman2526

53 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Did Potter have a better squad that Pochettino really?

When Potter started he had Kepa and a terribly out of form Mendy, Sanchez is a step up on both.

Defence? Poch has a very good back up to James, Potter did not, poch also has Colwill, arguably our best defender. The rest are basically a like for like.

Midfield? Pochettino has Enzo and Caicedo, Potter only got a few months with Enzo, none with Caicedo. Potter got a woeful Mount, and a crocked Kante along with an out of form Kova.

Forwards? Poch has Palmer as least, the rest are the same basically. Poch gets a more settled Mudryk, not one that just left his war torn home.

Look I want Poch to get his time, as any manager should get. He is doing an inferior job to Potter so far imo, and appears to have admitted defeat to low block sides now.

He needs to step it up.

My measure of better is based on where both manager's found the team when they got them and not necessarily a like-to-like paper comparison. Potter took over a team that was still in the top half of the table and finished 3rd the season before (granted some of the players had left when he took over) and Poch took over a team that finished mid-table the season before. Potter's expectations were to maintain the standards of chelsea being a competitive team and Pochettino's expectations are to bring that team up there again. Poch might have a better team on paper like-to-like (And that's still debatable) but the task he has been brought on to do is way more difficult than what Potter had been brought in to do. Not to mention there are now like 7 or so good clubs that Poch has to be better than to get Chelsea back up while when Potter was there it wasn't as competitive with liverpool and tottenham not being as good as they are now.

Edited October 29, 20232 yr by Frankie8Lampard

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Did Potter have a better squad that Pochettino really?

When Potter started he had Kepa and a terribly out of form Mendy, Sanchez is a step up on both.

Defence? Poch has a very good back up to James, Potter did not, poch also has Colwill, arguably our best defender. The rest are basically a like for like.

Midfield? Pochettino has Enzo and Caicedo, Potter only got a few months with Enzo, none with Caicedo. Potter got a woeful Mount, and a crocked Kante along with an out of form Kova.

Forwards? Poch has Palmer as least, the rest are the same basically. Poch gets a more settled Mudryk, not one that just left his war torn home.

Look I want Poch to get his time, as any manager should get. He is doing an inferior job to Potter so far imo, and appears to have admitted defeat to low block sides now.

He needs to step it up.

Obviously, I'm far from Potters biggest fan, and I'll definitely acknowledge he didn't have an easy job.

But he still had far more experienced players in the team, players who we've now sold. Mount, Jorginho, Havertz, Kovacic, Pulisic, Kante. Even though I'm glad most of them moved on, they still brought experience into the side. This team is completely brand new. You in particular have complained a lot regarding how many players we've brought in, young ones at that. So surely you must recognise that this season we've taken far more of a risk? Let's just go over the recent starting 11, Gusto, Disasi, Sanchez, Colwill, Caicedo, Palmer, Jackson. That's half the starting 11 and this is their first season in the team, this isn't even mentioning the likes of Nkunku and Lavia who we've had missing and we've still got to integrate into the side.

Potter didn't have it easy by any means, the team was out of form, unfit, and disjointed, but it was still a team that won the CL just two years prior and won trophies the year before getting into two domestic cup finals. This team right now, how many players in it were here during that? Silva, James, and Chilwell, and the latter two are injured. So I think it's fair to say Pochettino definitely has more of a challenge on his hands, but I would also argue he has less pressure. 

 

3 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

We are already being put under the spotlight and being analysed by most pundits. Even that fking tw@t a Jamie O'Hara loving every bit of it this morning. We lose 8 or so of the next 10, I dread to think what it will be like. Carragher and Neville would be salivating at the prospect of our demise.

We're the current laughing stock I know, but we never get credit when we're good either. So honestly, I would drown it out mate.

I don't even bother listening to football media or those overrated twats on Sky Sports. When you start caring about rivals opinions you're just going to make your weekends even worse, I honestly couldn't care less what they think. Because the likes of Jamie O'Hara would be making a million excuses if it was Tottenham in this position, just like Carragher for Liverpool and Neville for United would be doing. So really, why care? They're all biased sh*theads anyway. 

And when the only people we've got in the media who are Chelsea pundits are Jason f**king Cundy then we truly are doomed aren't we. 

32 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

Obviously, I'm far from Potters biggest fan, and I'll definitely acknowledge he didn't have an easy job.

But he still had far more experienced players in the team, players who we've now sold. Mount, Jorginho, Havertz, Kovacic, Pulisic, Kante. Even though I'm glad most of them moved on, they still brought experience into the side. This team is completely brand new. You in particular have complained a lot regarding how many players we've brought in, young ones at that. So surely you must recognise that this season we've taken far more of a risk? Let's just go over the recent starting 11, Gusto, Disasi, Sanchez, Colwill, Caicedo, Palmer, Jackson. That's half the starting 11 and this is their first season in the team, this isn't even mentioning the likes of Nkunku and Lavia who we've had missing and we've still got to integrate into the side.

Potter didn't have it easy by any means, the team was out of form, unfit, and disjointed, but it was still a team that won the CL just two years prior and won trophies the year before getting into two domestic cup finals. This team right now, how many players in it were here during that? Silva, James, and Chilwell, and the latter two are injured. So I think it's fair to say Pochettino definitely has more of a challenge on his hands, but I would also argue he has less pressure. 

 

Fair points by both of you, however Potter taking over a side was not all a positive, he got no preseason to put over his ideas, Poch did.

I’m with axman. I think the squad is better than last year, far better in defence and midfield but the performances and the style of performance is just the same. 
 

inability to get a tune out of the attack. I don’t think Poch is doing a great job. I’ve thought from the beginning he;s too defensive. The one thing I liked was playing sterling on the right but now with Palmer that becomes a problem not of his making n]but any way Palmer is too slow to be winger. 

Also Jackson, so far, looks a failure in front of goal and then there are the injuries. 

so a better/different manager might also have struggled  nevertheless I find Poch very far from convincing. In fact I think he;s more style and show than actual ability. But I’ll keep backing him. Certainly there is no alternative, and even if he is only mid table standard that will have to do right now. 

Like I said, we are in the mud together. Stick through it and find a way out. 

Just accept we are entering our banter era. Every club had one. 

2 hours ago, Victor90 said:

Obviously, I'm far from Potters biggest fan, and I'll definitely acknowledge he didn't have an easy job.

But he still had far more experienced players in the team, players who we've now sold. Mount, Jorginho, Havertz, Kovacic, Pulisic, Kante. Even though I'm glad most of them moved on, they still brought experience into the side. This team is completely brand new. You in particular have complained a lot regarding how many players we've brought in, young ones at that. So surely you must recognise that this season we've taken far more of a risk? Let's just go over the recent starting 11, Gusto, Disasi, Sanchez, Colwill, Caicedo, Palmer, Jackson. That's half the starting 11 and this is their first season in the team, this isn't even mentioning the likes of Nkunku and Lavia who we've had missing and we've still got to integrate into the side.

Potter didn't have it easy by any means, the team was out of form, unfit, and disjointed, but it was still a team that won the CL just two years prior and won trophies the year before getting into two domestic cup finals. This team right now, how many players in it were here during that? Silva, James, and Chilwell, and the latter two are injured. So I think it's fair to say Pochettino definitely has more of a challenge on his hands, but I would also argue he has less pressure. 

 

I think this is a fair comment, although my only counter in favour of Potter was that for a period he had games every three days and had little time to repair, rectify and refresh.  Poch has a rare opportunity for any Chelsea manager over the last 20 years to focus on the upcoming opponent and prepare an effective pattern for a week.

Whilst I remain a strong advocate of Poch his failure in being able to overcome relegation fodder, let alone top 8 sides is poor and if the press comments this weekend are not out of context it's a worrying admission from a manager who arrived on a platform of "this is Chelsea, first we must win".

Just now, WhiteWall said:

Whilst I remain a strong advocate of Poch his failure in being able to overcome relegation fodder, let alone top 8 sides is poor and if the press comments this weekend are not out of context it's a worrying admission from a manager who arrived on a platform of "this is Chelsea, first we must win".

Aye some next level gaslighting there. Tone quickly changed after the West Ham defeat. 

2 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

I think this is a fair comment, although my only counter in favour of Potter was that for a period he had games every three days and had little time to repair, rectify and refresh.  Poch has a rare opportunity for any Chelsea manager over the last 20 years to focus on the upcoming opponent and prepare an effective pattern for a week.

Whilst I remain a strong advocate of Poch his failure in being able to overcome relegation fodder, let alone top 8 sides is poor and if the press comments this weekend are not out of context it's a worrying admission from a manager who arrived on a platform of "this is Chelsea, first we must win".

So who do you replace Poch with?

2 minutes ago, El regreso said:

So who do you replace Poch with?

You don't replace Poch. You internally admit the policy was flawed and a youth policy has to be integrated with established players that you won't make a premium on, other than the benefit of their service,  experience and mentoring ability. You then suck it up and get Poch a couple of established,  seasoned elite players to provide a core upon which the bright young talents can work with and learn from.

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Like I said, we are in the mud together. Stick through it and find a way out. 

Just accept we are entering our banter era. Every club had one. 

What? Every club? Yet the Liverpool fans tell of how their history has been nothing but glorious, the present under Klopp adding too it and their future fantastic.

You must be mistaking their Sconnie ;)

We knee coming in Pochettino would have a very short grace period from a large portion of the fan base. Being an ex Spurs favorite.

He said the right things early doors and got a lot onside. However his first 10 ģames have exactly equalled Potters first 10 games.

For me he has one up on Potter in that he got a preseason, a good one, not one that was all over the shop, and got dumped in and had to go go go.

Spurs strong start and our poor one has their fanbase calling him agent Poch, sent to continue us going backwards. I can see a part of our fanbase latching on to that. Ony way to turn it around is winning games.

5 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

You don't replace Poch. You internally admit the policy was flawed and a youth policy has to be integrated with established players that you won't make a premium on, other than the benefit of their service,  experience and mentoring ability. You then suck it up and get Poch a couple of established,  seasoned elite players to provide a core upon which the bright young talents can work with and learn from.

I think it is too late right now to sign more established player. We have too many players already. 

Just enjoy the season. 

On 29/10/2023 at 12:07, Bob stark said:

I encourage everyone to be patient with our young/raw player. Not sure I can use young when Bellingham is tearing la liga apart at the age of 20. 

But as everyone saw recently with Mudryk. He has looked better recently. Still far way off from being ready to carry the big load but much better in term of decision making

Jackson biggest problem is physical and this will take time. We all know you can't build muscle overnight unless 💉💉💉

Madueke case, I have no clue. I think @SydneyChelsea who said that he looked rawer than Gakpo in psv and it kinda show. 

😂😂😂 I almost forget that we still have Carney. 

Please no more wonderkid Todd. 

People have wildly unrealistic expectations of our young players and they assume that because a big club signs a young player, they inevitably have the potential to be generational talent.

Mudryk's improvement is positive, but I think people would understand his value better if we realised his potential ceiling is closer to Willian than it is to Hazard.

Edited October 30, 20232 yr by SydneyChelsea

16 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

We are already being put under the spotlight and being analysed by most pundits. Even that fking tw@t a Jamie O'Hara loving every bit of it this morning. We lose 8 or so of the next 10, I dread to think what it will be like. Carragher and Neville would be salivating at the prospect of our demise.

You really need to stop giving a sh*t what morons like that think or say, its all click bait bollocks aimed at imbeciles.

3 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

People have wildly unrealistic expectations of our young players and they assume that because a big club signs a young player, they inevitably have the potential to be generational talent.

Mudryk's improvement is positive, but I think people would understand his value better if we realised his potential ceiling is closer to Willian than it is to Hazard.

This is spot on. 

100m is a bit too expensive for willian but if he can be a willian (maybe more of Sterling/Pedro, then I will be happy) 

15 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Did Potter have a better squad that Pochettino really?

Absolutely. We as fans are always highly critical of our players and even some of the deadwood we criticised and wanted rid of are better than some of the potential we have (heavily caveated , looking at it from where they currently are and not the ceiling or potential)

None of what is happening right now to us as a team surprises me. The recruitment strategy is wrong. Changing the squad members is good but the heave ho and replace policy with youth....ie kids was never going to work straight away. These players haven't played at this level previously talkless of even playing with themselves. 

I fully expect two seasons of faffing about and hopefully by then we don't fly too close to relegation battles cos we probably won't win them going by how we are playing against the lower teams.

All we needed to do was shed the squad a bit and replace with established pros in areas we were deficient then over time add youth. 

Poch isn't the manager that will give us the glory days but he is perfect for this rebuild job. I tend not to have any huge interest in seeing our games and when I watched the first half in bits, I said to someone this game will probably end 0-1 against Chelsea because it was almost like watching something I have seen several times before. 

We aren't penetrative enough nor do we have the class of strikers that have the quality and sheer will of strength to come up with something on their own.

A young team like this don't have that character as a unit.....yet. It will come but there's a reason why teams that win, always have experienced pros and why even managers that typically win, even one as flexible and genius as Pep, will always have old heads in their team.