2 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

It wasn't a miss, more like he just allowed Raya to gather ball instead of getting a shot off.

Which is worse than a miss imo. 

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Which is worse than a miss imo. 

if it is the chance I am thinking of, it was unfortunate that it was Jackson's first touch after coming on as sub. But it was definitely a missed opportunity. After that he did play OK I thought. Had one half chance at the end that forced a save from Raya. Plus one really nice piece of link up play that was perhaps our best move of the game.

5 hours ago, abister1 said:

It wasn't particularly on a plate though better strikers could score it and make it look easy. The pass from Sterling was good but Raya came off line immediately to make angle tight.

Think the dink was there to happen. He hesitated. 

19 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Think the dink was there to happen. He hesitated. 

Yup. Like Palmer needed to act on instinct and not over think it, like Rice and Trossard did. Rice takes a touch and then shoots, no goal imo. Same with Trossard.

Agreed, Palmer took the extra touch and wasted the chance. GK was wrong footed, a first time shot on target would have gone in 95/100. I think 3 nils up even a Sanchez gift wouldn't have mattered much. It's a fine margin between 1 and 3 points, but Poch is making progress, just can't expect him to fix all the stuffs up we made in the past 12 months in a few months.

I felt like we sat back too much once we went ahead. Poch deserves credit for the team selection and the false 9. Probably Caicedo and Palmer should have come off first. Jackson is a natural swap for Palmer and Les for Caicedo. But that’s with hindsight. A fresher Caicedo would have given us more drive. 

3 hours ago, ozboy said:

I felt like we sat back too much once we went ahead. Poch deserves credit for the team selection and the false 9. Probably Caicedo and Palmer should have come off first. Jackson is a natural swap for Palmer and Les for Caicedo. But that’s with hindsight. A fresher Caicedo would have given us more drive. 

Aye I said before the game we needed him at the peak of his powers but naturally he tired out. Would things have been different had there been no international break before this game? Likely, Arsenal may have been a lot better too.

Poch just said both Enzo and Caicedo were barely fit before the match but he knew he had to play them. 

Truth be told, I am 100% for this mid block tactic against the top sides. We are still progressive in our build up and with the quality of our midfield we can retain the ball very well when needed. It's just the transition that needs working on and being more ruthless up top./ 

34 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Poch just said both Enzo and Caicedo were barely fit before the match but he knew he had to play them.

That's worrying tbh, although in this case it worked out atleast for 75 minutes.

Reminds me of when he "had" to play a half fit Kane in the UCL final.

9 minutes ago, Argo said:

That's worrying tbh, although in this case it worked out atleast for 75 minutes.

Reminds me of when he "had" to play a half fit Kane in the UCL final.

Not sure Lesley is at that level yet to retain the ball under such pressure we knew Arsenal were going to give. Lavia sure, Lesley I don't know. 

It's the brilliant thing about Caicedo and why I wanted him over anyone else. Along with his defensive contributions, he's a very technical midfielder. 

53 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Poch just said both Enzo and Caicedo were barely fit before the match but he knew he had to play them. 

Truth be told, I am 100% for this mid block tactic against the top sides. We are still progressive in our build up and with the quality of our midfield we can retain the ball very well when needed. It's just the transition that needs working on and being more ruthless up top./ 

Is something we will need to develop a plan B for, because this will be a regular issue for international breaks.

Maybe only 1 of them should start, either then other a sub to replace them, in future. Get 60 minutes out of one, 30 out of the other.

1 minute ago, axman2526 said:

Is something we will need to develop a plan B for, because this will be a regular issue for international breaks.

Maybe only 1 of them should start, either then other a sub to replace them, in future. Get 60 minutes out of one, 30 out of the other.

I agree, but it wasn't the right match for Lesley to start imo. Lavia being out also not helping us. 

Had he not started one or both the uproar and pitch forks would have been out and that’s exactly what Poch said in this press conference. He said if he didn’t pick them the fans and media would be in his back.

This was Maddisson after the spuddies result over fulham as reported in the "Telegraph".

"The first day he came in he said pressing high is almost a non-negotiable at any stage of the game. 

“We had a game in pre-season where we went 1-0 or 2-0 up and we kind of stopped pressing and sat in a little bit - and he went ballistic at half-time. It was Shakhtar Donetsk here. 

“He said that’s almost how Tottenham have been in the past, trying to protect a lead. He said it’s non-negotiable to keep going and keep pressing, and we go and score three and four.”

Maybe pressing is not our style especially after the internationals  but having the attitude that you keep attacking is really important in my opinion. Spuds would not have been allowed to sit back like we did after scoring the first goal. That's where their comeback started. Arse got control of possession. To me attitude is really important. I am pretty sure we have the talent despite what Marcotti says. well maybe our striker is not Haaland quality but we don't have enough attitude yet.

39 minutes ago, ozboy said:

This was Maddisson after the spuddies result over fulham as reported in the "Telegraph".

"The first day he came in he said pressing high is almost a non-negotiable at any stage of the game. 

“We had a game in pre-season where we went 1-0 or 2-0 up and we kind of stopped pressing and sat in a little bit - and he went ballistic at half-time. It was Shakhtar Donetsk here. 

“He said that’s almost how Tottenham have been in the past, trying to protect a lead. He said it’s non-negotiable to keep going and keep pressing, and we go and score three and four.”

Maybe pressing is not our style especially after the internationals  but having the attitude that you keep attacking is really important in my opinion. Spuds would not have been allowed to sit back like we did after scoring the first goal. That's where their comeback started. Arse got control of possession. To me attitude is really important. I am pretty sure we have the talent despite what Marcotti says. well maybe our striker is not Haaland quality but we don't have enough attitude yet.

So what's your thinking Oz, Spurs have a better manager than we do?

19 hours ago, ozboy said:

I felt like we sat back too much once we went ahead. Poch deserves credit for the team selection and the false 9. Probably Caicedo and Palmer should have come off first. Jackson is a natural swap for Palmer and Les for Caicedo. But that’s with hindsight. A fresher Caicedo would have given us more drive. 

We did not sit back. Our offense was working quite well with Jackson coming in for Mudryk. I think Jackson had 2 chances. 

Our offense only stopped once we brought Sterling and Palmer off but both were gassed. 

 

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

So what's your thinking Oz, Spurs have a better manager than we do?

No I dont think "better" is the right word just different.  My feeling is that we have been playing too defensively all season, protecting Silva, using Colwill at left back, playing Chilwell at left wing. 

If you treat Palmer as a striker in the last game and I know he's a false 9 then we are still playing three box to box midfielders of one sort or another.

Maybe that's the way it has to be with this squad at this stage of its development and with Poch building his status. I can agree it's better than having Felix running round as a luxury player, it's much better than that. But it's still not aggressive enough.

I had hoped that Gallagher would turn into the goal scorer that Enzo and Caicedo clearly are not. But after 10  games there isn't one goal between the three of them. Palmer has two but they are both penalties. Palmer's miss when he was gassed was pretty poor when all's said and done. Reece James is now the only fullback you can imagine scoring more than a lucky goal a season, won't be Cucu, or Gusto nor most likely Colwill unless from a corner. I guess that would be argument for playing Maatsen at left back He did manage 4 goals last season.

Someone still has to be sacrificed to put another goal scoring threat into the lineup. And just waiting for Nkunku isn't the answer. 

Edited October 24, 20232 yr by ozboy

15 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

We did not sit back. Our offense was working quite well with Jackson coming in for Mudryk. I think Jackson had 2 chances. 

Our offense only stopped once we brought Sterling and Palmer off but both were gassed. 

 

Our offence did stop or at least we started losing midfield possession and hoofing the ball down the park almost immediately after scoring the first goal. Palmer was gassed after 60 minutes but Caicedo was gassed long ahead of him. 

 

 

2 hours ago, ozboy said:

Our offence did stop or at least we started losing midfield possession and hoofing the ball down the park almost immediately after scoring the first goal. Palmer was gassed after 60 minutes but Caicedo was gassed long ahead of him. 

 

 

Not sure what do you mean by hoofing the ball but Colwill hoofed the ball since early game. This is normal stuff. Arsenal is a very good pressing team. 

Edited October 24, 20232 yr by Bob stark

Sitting back on a lead has been our problem for a few years now. Loonypool and Citeh would never dream of this.

If you have one then lets get two, and on and on. You need to score as many as you can, don't rely on keeping anyone out.

It rarely works. And defence gets complacent and that's where the mistakes come from, if your constantly looking for goals

your more switched on.

20 hours ago, Ajbod said:

Sitting back on a lead has been our problem for a few years now. Loonypool and Citeh would never dream of this.

If you have one then lets get two, and on and on. You need to score as many as you can, don't rely on keeping anyone out.

It rarely works. And defence gets complacent and that's where the mistakes come from, if your constantly looking for goals

your more switched on.

I don't think we were sitting on a lead. Just before the mistake that lead to their first goal, we started to dominate possession and Arsenal were struggling to deal with our movement. They looked drained. They got their second wind with the mistake though and that is where control was lost.

3 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

I don't think we were sitting on a lead. Just before the mistake that lead to their first goal, we started to dominate possession and Arsenal were struggling to deal with our movement. They looked drained. They got their second wind with the mistake though and that is where control was lost.

We definitely werent sitting back, I`m not sure where this idea has even came from. We maybe werent creating loads of chances, but we we control of the game, and we had a few chances, Arsenal didnt even look like worrying us.

It was a mid block but we were still progressive with the game plan which was to retain the ball and build out from the back. We were dangling food and Arsenal were the pig. They couldn't touch us and I am adamant in saying that before Sanchez did what he did, Arsenal were thinking about Sevilla already. 

It's a tactic we should be doing against the top sides but it'll only be effective if our attacking players are more ruthless. 

On 24/10/2023 at 12:00, Ajbod said:

Sitting back on a lead has been our problem for a few years now. Loonypool and Citeh would never dream of this.

If you have one then lets get two, and on and on. You need to score as many as you can, don't rely on keeping anyone out.

It rarely works. And defence gets complacent and that's where the mistakes come from, if your constantly looking for goals

your more switched on.

We weren’t sitting back at all the reason they got anything from the game is  the keeper. I don’t even blame Gusto for the second because they should’ve gotten the first anyway.

Every team has to defend and protect the lead, City and Liverpool just do it a lot better than us with defending and controlling of possession. Not going to talk abut the Sanchez howler, the second goal was very sloppy defending all along. It wasn't even that good of a cross and no defenders were able to touch it, Gusto let his man past him, and Sanchez didn't come out to make the shot more difficult. Would the come back ever happen with the likes of Cech, JT and Cole in the team? Not a chance.