3 hours ago, The Brit said:

Not read whole thread so not aiming at anyone in particular on here but been very amused by level of outrage of Chelsea fans, many of whom as a collective never got behind Pochettino and wanted him sacked/gone some time ago. Wish has been granted and still moaning 😂

Perhaps that's because you haven't read the whole thread. If you had you'd probably see that in the vast amount of cases fans are not outraged by the sacking of Poch. Even with the run of recent results in the main we have lurched towards and clung on to the wins we've,  with a couple of exceptions.  The anger is coming more from the fact that it is unlikely that he will be replaced with anyone with higher credentials and that the players will bond with quickly enough to maintain and improve upon the recent progress.

3 hours ago, ozboy said:

In business that is completely true. At some point experience becomes a negative because you are not open to or in fact just become a me too follower of a new way of doing things. Happened to Mourinho, Wenger just for instance. Retrenching  the older generation and brining in fresh blood is a time honoured practice in business and relevant football management as well as to the players. Equally if experience is useful its usefulness will have been demonstrated in performance over the past 12 months. Otherwise you are better off down at the pub talking about the good old days.

Wow that's a bit of a sweeping comment. I wonder if this is a comment about a sector of society that you don't belong to. Let's flip that and see what that would reflect in today's society. How about this comment.

In business most senior executives are from the older generation because whilst the younger generation may have fresh ideas they're just not mentally equipped to maintain focus and control whilst raising families.

Of course this is stereotyping and wrong. Similarly in business the older generation aren't necessarily resistant to change, in fact most have spent their working lives adapting to it, including suffering the f*ckwits in strategic development whose sole job it is to create change just to justify their purpose.

In business fresh blood occurs because we have to cover key person dependencies, because succession plans have to exist. In fact many of the older generation are far more reliable and can form the very foundation of a successful enterprise for the stability they bring as many no longer feel the pressure for further career progression, higher wages, peer pressure etc.

Sorry @ozboy not a dig at you and wildly off topic from all of your post, cos I actually think you're a poster whose comments i really like. But dont go prodding us oldies mate, we might be losing our teeth but we can still fking bite.

On 23/05/2024 at 00:27, timetowaste said:

Football and tactics wise he has what the board want, but I'm very concerned about his lack of experience in a top league. It's all well and good having the tactics but being able to deal with the pressure of a team like Chelsea is a completely different ball game. It's a massive risk, this is a genuine make or break decision for the sporting directors, if this appointment fails then they HAVE to go.

Can anybody tell me why we have or need TWO sporting Directors?? It suggests that neither one was good enough on his own, and by God have they proved that !!!

14 minutes ago, coombsie said:

Can anybody tell me why we have or need TWO sporting Directors?? It suggests that neither one was good enough on his own, and by God have they proved that !!!

I'm half expecting them to appoint two managers to replace Pochettino LOL. 

4 hours ago, Bob stark said:

Let's start with poch. 

I don't care if we fire poch, as long as we don't hire crazy manager, we should be fine. 

Colwill as lb. Thank God we don't have pep/Arteta as our manager. City played 5 cb, Arteta played with 5 cb at the back. 

2nd, I don't care if you are young progressive or old dinosaur manager. Every single manager will be unhappy if you sell their key player and replace them with kids. 

Like I said, it is quit clear that this is the plan for this board. Low wages, long contract, get to top 4. It is similar to Brighton, in the end of the day it is the board right to do what they want. 

 

 

There’s a vast difference between a player being put into a different position and a player being coached in a different position and for me therein is the issue.

Being unhappy about selling players is one thing but the fact remains players come and players go yes a  manager probably gets upset whereas the modern approach is that a HC acknowledges that they work with the players the club hierarchy employ but let’s just look at the Gallagher situation.
 

All that seems to be a proven fact is that he is just about to enter the last year of his contract. We have absolutely no idea as to what his demands are but one thing is for sure the sort of wages that were on offer in yesteryear won’t be on the table going forwrad

Should  they be ?
 

That’s a different matter I think it’s long overdue that the club try to get a handle on the wage bill with the wage cap soon to be introduced into the PL it’s incredibly important that clubs focus more than ever on this area of squad costs when opportunities exist. Irrespective it would be akin to business suicide to let him run down his contract particularly as their policy is to avoid such a situation by offering + 5 year contracts.

Simply put like Mount if you are unhappy with what’s on offer shake hands and move on and again like Mount it’s quite probable the grass isn’t greener and if ( and by that a  big if ) rumours are correct Man Us offer wasn’t that different to what was on the table at Chelsea.

Back to Connor. I fully acknowledge he has had a good season but personally I would snap any clubs hand off if they were to offer circa£50 million he I think is no better to Gundouezi ( spelling) who was sold by Arsenal. Bags of energy very average passing ability and poor timing in a tackle. Others will disagree of course but as they say football is all about opinions.

 

Edited May 24, 20242 yr by terraloon

I would give more credit to Conor (than above). I agree he is not the most gifted footballer but he is a brilliant character and his work ethic is par none in the league. I think most clubs apart from City would take him. Even Liverpool and Arsenal would have use of him. 

Could we do better than Conor, sure but we already have him. We also shouldn't undermine he is Chelsea boy. That has value as well.

2 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

Wow that's a bit of a sweeping comment. I wonder if this is a comment about a sector of society that you don't belong to. Let's flip that and see what that would reflect in today's society. How about this comment.

In business most senior executives are from the older generation because whilst the younger generation may have fresh ideas they're just not mentally equipped to maintain focus and control whilst raising families.

Of course this is stereotyping and wrong. Similarly in business the older generation aren't necessarily resistant to change, in fact most have spent their working lives adapting to it, including suffering the f*ckwits in strategic development whose sole job it is to create change just to justify their purpose.

In business fresh blood occurs because we have to cover key person dependencies, because succession plans have to exist. In fact many of the older generation are far more reliable and can form the very foundation of a successful enterprise for the stability they bring as many no longer feel the pressure for further career progression, higher wages, peer pressure etc.

Sorry @ozboy not a dig at you and wildly off topic from all of your post, cos I actually think you're a poster whose comments i really like. But dont go prodding us oldies mate, we might be losing our teeth but we can still fking bite.

I’m 70. I worked in investment banking research as I’ve said a few times. It’s an environment similar in some ways, as far as I can tell, to professional team sport. Regularly the older guys who were too expensive were purged. For the last few years I was doing a good job but taking up the space that younger folk, often more talented wanted. When I left I was more or less close to the oldest at my level in the industry but my time was up. I knew better, in my opinion, how to run the business than the actual team running it. So time to part ways. Equally 4 kids, 6 grandkids. I think I have some perspective. 

2 hours ago, terraloon said:

There’s a vast difference between a player being put into a different position and a player being coached in a different position and for me therein is the issue.

 

 

I don't understand. So poch playing Colwill as lb is different Guardiola playing stones as rb or ankanji as dm because of coaching? 

 

24 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

I don't understand. So poch playing Colwill as lb is different Guardiola playing stones as rb or ankanji as dm because of coaching? 

 

I don't even think they meant Colwill. Levi played LB at Brighton a couple of times, also at Huddersfield, and also in our youth team. The position is not a huge unknown to him.

I think this is probably about Maatsen at RW (amusingly we won all three games he played there as well LOL)

31 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

I don't understand. So poch playing Colwill as lb is different Guardiola playing stones as rb or ankanji as dm because of coaching? 

 

Of course it is.  Pep is meticulous in his pre match preparation we seemed to stumble into games

The suggestion is that Colwill , like others  who were asked to play in different positions, were  in effect just told on the day of the match   “ oh you are right back today.”Of course players have to play out of position from time to time but they need time and help to get it right

 

The coaching part is key when you look at who you are up against or what area ( in zonal) is yours to defend , do you have licence to go past half way, who will cover if you will go forward , what’s your position if we gain  a corner ( a CD position is different more often than not) full backs often are the blockers and so on.

1 hour ago, ozboy said:

I’m 70. I worked in investment banking research as I’ve said a few times. It’s an environment similar in some ways, as far as I can tell, to professional team sport. Regularly the older guys who were too expensive were purged. For the last few years I was doing a good job but taking up the space that younger folk, often more talented wanted. When I left I was more or less close to the oldest at my level in the industry but my time was up. I knew better, in my opinion, how to run the business than the actual team running it. So time to part ways. Equally 4 kids, 6 grandkids. I think I have some perspective. 

Well you've finally hit the nail on the head. 

Nothing to do with resistance to change, or youth being more "talented" etc. 

The reason involuntary redundancies are targeted at the 50+ age group, and jobs are moved offshore, is to save money (which usually then ends up in the pockets of the executive "top talent" and the shareholders).

2 hours ago, evissy said:

I would give more credit to Conor (than above). I agree he is not the most gifted footballer but he is a brilliant character and his work ethic is par none in the league. I think most clubs apart from City would take him. Even Liverpool and Arsenal would have use of him. 

Could we do better than Conor, sure but we already have him. We also shouldn't undermine he is Chelsea boy. That has value as well.

We do indeed have Connor but in 12 months time unless a new contract is signed we won’t have him and in one potentially a £50 million asset in effect becomes worth jack.

It is said he is currently on £50k or thereabouts a week how much would you say he was worth ? Similarly what length contract would you give him?

His management company , Elite, say his demands are horrendous but what does that mean £150k a week of £200k or what?
 

Of course most clubs would be happy to sign him but would he get more at most of those clubs ? For perspective Olise at Palace is said to be on £100k a week and that’s about what he would be paid at most clubs in the PL. Connor is a decent player but sorry I simply don’t see him as a top player 

 

Matt Law Special. Usually spot on:

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20 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Well you've finally hit the nail on the head. 

Nothing to do with resistance to change, or youth being more "talented" etc. 

The reason involuntary redundancies are targeted at the 50+ age group, and jobs are moved offshore, is to save money (which usually then ends up in the pockets of the executive "top talent" and the shareholders).

Are we planning to move any jobs offshore ?
 

I had to deal with downsizing in a massive organisation , and yes I eventually fell into that number, older staff by and large are far more resistant to radical change. Most throughout their working like had continuity and became comfortable in their circumstances yes things changed but the main blockers were sadly those that had become far happier with the mantra”we have always done it that way” and far too often process or procedural change was greeted with the classic it won’t work so far too often they didn’t even try to do things differently.

Of course that is a massive generalisation and yes most organisations are about improving delivery be it profit or a service but without removing blockers you end up with a NHS situation where you can keep throwing more money at the entity but the only way that things will improve is through change.

 

 

 

 

23 minutes ago, terraloon said:

Are we planning to move any jobs offshore ?

Of course not - what a faceious comment ...

1 hour ago, Sexyfootball said:

I don't even think they meant Colwill. Levi played LB at Brighton a couple of times, also at Huddersfield, and also in our youth team. The position is not a huge unknown to him.

I think this is probably about Maatsen at RW (amusingly we won all three games he played there as well LOL)

I think terraloon specifically said Colwill as lb. 

Regarding Maatsen, I personally not big fan of short fb, long term wise you will always look for an upgrade because team will always target you in that area. 

A lot people prefer to sell Chilwell and keep Cucu but having two short lb make even less sense than having one 😂😂😂

Just now, Bob stark said:

I think terraloon specifically said Colwill as lb. 

Regarding Maatsen, I personally not big fan of short fb, long term wise you will always look for an upgrade because team will always target you in that area. 

A lot people prefer to sell Chilwell and keep Cucu but having two short lb make even less sense than having one 😂😂😂

Yes, he said  "playing the likes of Colwill in a position he had never occupied even in his academy days" as a negative against Pochettino, which is inaccurate as Colwill has played LB before for Brighton, Huddersfield and our U18.  if you want to bash Poch for playing players where they have ever played before then only Maatsen at RW comes to mind. 

Nothing wrong with a short full back like Maatsen if you have a tall, powerful defence and midfield and several good aerial players across the whole team who can compensate. This is why he's great at Dortmund. They are a team of giants.  We didn't have that luxury this year unfortunately ... 

Xavi has been sacked by Barcelona. Is he the mystery name?

52 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

Xavi has been sacked by Barcelona. Is he the mystery name?

He certainly is a complete mystery to me as being touted a top manager at least.

The manager-go-round is happening.

Will Pep be the next manager of Barcelona?  what will that mean for Citeh?

Tuchel replaces Ten Hag? What happens if Ten wins the FA Cup? Do they have to keep Ten Hag?

The Chelsea short-list is very 'short' -  Kieran McKenna or Enzo Maresca?  is my current understanding of the short list. Will it be getting any shorter soon?

5 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

The manager-go-round is happening.

Will Pep be the next manager of Barcelona?  what will that mean for Citeh?

Tuchel replaces Ten Hag? What happens if Ten wins the FA Cup? Do they have to keep Ten Hag?

The Chelsea short-list is very 'short' -  Kieran McKenna or Enzo Maresca?  is my current understanding of the short list. Will it be getting any shorter soon?

Very unlikely Pep goes back to Barcelona, he was passionate about Catalonian independence and was the most famous supporter outside politics.

He would not want to risk getting caught up in it.

28 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

The manager-go-round is happening.

Will Pep be the next manager of Barcelona?  what will that mean for Citeh?

Tuchel replaces Ten Hag? What happens if Ten wins the FA Cup? Do they have to keep Ten Hag?

The Chelsea short-list is very 'short' -  Kieran McKenna or Enzo Maresca?  is my current understanding of the short list. Will it be getting any shorter soon?

I thought hansi flick is already confirmed as barca coach 

3 hours ago, terraloon said:

Are we planning to move any jobs offshore ?
 

I had to deal with downsizing in a massive organisation , and yes I eventually fell into that number, older staff by and large are far more resistant to radical change. Most throughout their working like had continuity and became comfortable in their circumstances yes things changed but the main blockers were sadly those that had become far happier with the mantra”we have always done it that way” and far too often process or procedural change was greeted with the classic it won’t work so far too often they didn’t even try to do things differently.

Of course that is a massive generalisation and yes most organisations are about improving delivery be it profit or a service but without removing blockers you end up with a NHS situation where you can keep throwing more money at the entity but the only way that things will improve is through change.

 

 

 

Spot on. It is partly about money but partly about renewal, opportunity and  the enthusiasm of youth. Anyhow back to discussing footie managers. 

3 hours ago, terraloon said:

We do indeed have Connor but in 12 months time unless a new contract is signed we won’t have him and in one potentially a £50 million asset in effect becomes worth jack.

It is said he is currently on £50k or thereabouts a week how much would you say he was worth ? Similarly what length contract would you give him?

His management company , Elite, say his demands are horrendous but what does that mean £150k a week of £200k or what?
 

Of course most clubs would be happy to sign him but would he get more at most of those clubs ? For perspective Olise at Palace is said to be on £100k a week and that’s about what he would be paid at most clubs in the PL. Connor is a decent player but sorry I simply don’t see him as a top player 

 

Havertz earns £275k a week. Gallagher deserves £150k minimum