4 minutes ago, Sheva said:

Good talent ID? You just reeled off players who were at times the best players in their respective leagues and players who’s were wanted by many many top clubs not just us. 
 

Tuchel had his problems but the mismanagement of signings fall on the owner not the manager. We replaced half the squad and expected them to blend in from the get go and get results. 
 

Nothing to do with talent id, it’s more to do with the environment for the player and the personality of the player. It also takes time for players to settle into a new country and league. Instead of sticking with a few we sold them off as fast as we could. They could of easily performed under stable ownership and management.

 

Just now, Sheva said:

Raphina - One of the best players in the league during that season and was wanted by Arsenal, Barcelona and us.
Koulibaly - Along side VVD was considering the best centreback in the world for many years and we just lost Rudiger.
Kounde - A long term target and we wanted him when Lampard was in charge.
Sterling - One of the best players in the league for city
Cucurella - Brightons player of the year and also a City target
Auba - A last ditch signing because we failed to sign a striker and he was a quick option.

Are we going to say Pep, Arteta and others have no 'Talent I.D'. It's such a circumstancial thing to say.

Tuchels main problem is simply just keeping in the good books of the ownership. It was also widly reported that he wanted Anthony Gordon and most of us laughed at it, look at Gordon now.
 

We bought average players on high wages. Just say it how it is instead of beating around the f**king bush and trying to weirdly pin this solely on management. It's been almost 2 years since the summer of 2022 and every single signing that Tuchel wanted have underperformed and/or couldn't live up to their previous expectations. Just how long do these players need to settle exactly? It's been 2 years?

By the way, it was widely suggested Tuchel wanted to play Anthony Gordon at wingback. In fact that was one of the reasons Raphinha allegedly opted out a move here. 

 

Raphina - 2 years at Barca. They want him gone. 

Koulibaly - Over the hill and couldn't make the step up in the Premier League. 

Kounde - 2 year at Barca and has been a defensive calamity. (never wanted by Lampard. Interest began summer 2021)

De Ligt - Poor at Bayern and part of their defensive struggles.

Sterling - The most frustrating player in the league that Tuchel wanted to make the main man when he was a supporting cast at City. 

Cucurella - 2 years and has been utterly dross. City didn't' want to spend more than £30m on him and rightfully pulled out. 

Aubemeyang - A last ditch signing because Tuchel forced Tammy Abraham out of the club and realized Lukaku was worthless. Don't pretend this wasn't part of his own doing. 

 

Aside the fact Tuchel is now also trying to turn Bayern into Luton town, (he wanted Dier, Trippier, McTominay, Chalobah,) it's clear to see he shouldn't be given any keys to build a squad. Or I'm assuming its management's fault at Bayern also?

Pep and Arteta, particularly the former, know when to opt out of a bad deal when they see one. That is the difference. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

 

We bought average players on high wages. Just say it how it is instead of beating around the f**king bush and trying to weirdly pin this solely on management. It's been almost 2 years since the summer of 2022 and every single signing that Tuchel wanted have underperformed and/or couldn't live up to their previous expectations. Just how long do these players need to settle exactly? It's been 2 years?

By the way, it was widely suggested Tuchel wanted to play Anthony Gordon at wingback. In fact that was one of the reasons Raphinha allegedly opted out a move here. 

 

Raphina - 2 years at Barca. They want him gone. 

Koulibaly - Over the hill and couldn't make the step up in the Premier League. 

Kounde - 2 year at Barca and has been a defensive calamity. (never wanted by Lampard. Interest began summer 2021)

De Ligt - Poor at Bayern and part of their defensive struggles.

Sterling - The most frustrating player in the league that Tuchel wanted to make the main man when he was a supporting cast at City. 

Cucurella - 2 years and has been utterly dross. City didn't' want to spend more than £30m on him and rightfully pulled out. 

Aubemeyang - A last ditch signing because Tuchel forced Tammy Abraham out of the club and realized Lukaku was worthless. Don't pretend this wasn't part of his own doing. 

 

Aside the fact Tuchel is now also trying to turn Bayern into Luton town, (he wanted Dier, Trippier, McTominay, Chalobah,) it's clear to see he shouldn't be given any keys to build a squad. Or I'm assuming its management's fault at Bayern also?

Pep and Arteta, particularly the former, know when to opt out of a bad deal when they see one. That is the difference.

The ownership were gunho in signing players when they took over and went on a spree and of course it was naive to do that so I have no doubt they were at prey to many agents trying to offload their players to an ownership who want to make a splash. We were linked to literally everyone who was available.

It takes alot to get a player settled into a team and we have been a mess ever since the new ownership took over. If we signed a few of those players at a staggered pace and settled them into a functional team with a stable manager im confident the results would be alot different. Would we have won the league? Probably not but I think we're still a competitive top 4 club.

We love to sh*t on players who have a bad season and just label them as poor players when we don't take into account external factors.

All the players you mentioned are good players and maybe just maybe they are at the wrong clubs? Are we going to write off players because they fail to perform a few months or a season into their new team. If that's the cause we need to sell pretty much our whole squad baring 2 or 3 players.

Nearly all the players in that list are seasoned international players and have won trophies at a club and international level.

Also lets put a bit of perspective on his signings at Bayern. They just spent alot of money which is rare for a german club by the way on one of the best strikers in the world and also Kim from Napoli. So when you have no money you need to look for cheaper solutions and older reliable players are next on the list, we can all say Dier is sh*t but he's cheap, reliable and fairly experienced under top coaches.

Tammy was 100% on Tuchel but if the manager doesn't trust and rate you then that's just football. It's happened under many managers previously at the club to even better players.

Lukaku, was that on Tuchel? Maybe he mis-managed him but it seems like Lukaku didn't even want to come here in the first place. Tuchels management of players is another story and like I said he's not the only manager in the world who goes through this issue.

Im not even a big Tuchel defender, I just think judging him on his "talent ID" is pretty much pointless considering there's so many factors go into signing a player than how good Tuchel thinks they are.

Why didn't Pep pull out of the Kalvin Phillips deal? He also signed Claudio Bravo if im not mistaken and he's probably made other poor decisions in his career. I can likely name loads of players that haven't worked out for various different managers. The big difference between us and City in my opinion is the environment and team they are in as they are set up for success there and currently we are not.

Also why are you throwing your toys out of the pram when someone doesn't agree with you? I know alot of people don't like what @Whats_The_Mata? contributes to this place and I do think he plays on that and winds a few people up. Though when you read through his posts and ignore a lot of the fluff then he's not really being that controversial in what he's saying apart from his Broja obsession.

We're 11th and on course to finish mid table for the second season in the row. At this moment in time our recruitment from this ownership has been a disaster.

Edited March 6, 20242 yr by Sheva

26 minutes ago, Sheva said:

Lukaku, was that on Tuchel? Maybe he mis-managed him but it seems like Lukaku didn't even want to come here in the first place. Tuchels management of players is another story and like I said he's not the only manager in the world who goes through this issue.

Tuchel was beaming in his first press conference after signing Lukaku.

He either wanted him or was a complicit puppet and the latter would be pretty wildly out of character for him.

Edited March 6, 20242 yr by Argo

1 minute ago, Argo said:

Tuchel was beaming in his first press conference after signing Lukaku.

He either wanted him or was a complicit puppet and the latter would be pretty wildly out of character for him.

Lukaku is the prime example of a player that needs to have everything fall in line for him be succesful.

He was one of the best strikers in the world at Inter, I have no doubt Tuchel was interested in him but I also have no doubt that Tuchel was interested in Haaland. We were desperate for a striker and one club wanted to sell and the other club didn't.

Top managers have wanted Lukaku before as a player but as a person he's a problem and I personally think its down to the club to find out what type of person the player is to even justify spending that amount of money.

9 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

It's probably why I am leaning towards Amorim, but I think the club pick De Zerbi. 

Sporting just had 5 shots all game against Atalanta, I know one game doesn't mean much but it's not a great look

 

Even when Brighton get battered they always create chances and are trying to win (to be fair, they barely created much against City/Arsenal)

Edited March 7, 20242 yr by Drogba1

Under Roman our options would’ve been Inzaghi and Simeone. We’re now at De Zerbi and Amorim. Good grief

17 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

What was being reported all summer from several credible reporting outlets such as Romano, the Athletic and Telegraph? That Boehly would be acting sporting director working directly with Tuchel to go after his targets. Sterling, Cucurella, Aubemeyang, Kounde, De Ligt, Koulibaly, Raphina, etc all of these were players Tuchel wanted and all of which that we signed, were poor/sh*t, and the others that we didn't signed have also looked poor at their parent clubs. 

It's all a bit disingenuous when you leave out both Nathan Ake and Anthony Gordon whom he was desperate for. Both of which would have been terrific signings but we (and by we I mean owners) stupidly backed out because they were deemed to be too expensive.

So instead of Cucurella and Mudryk for £125 million we should have had Ake & Gordon for about a little over £100 million if they had actually listened to the gaffer. Funny thing is most thought he was dumb for targeting Ake & Gordon but time have obviously proved they would have been terrific signings for us.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Chelsea1985 said:

Under Roman our options would’ve been Inzaghi and Simeone. We’re now at De Zerbi and Amorim. Good grief

Tbf Amorim isn't too dissimilar in profile to managers like AVB and Sarri were

1 hour ago, timetowaste said:

Tbf Amorim isn't too dissimilar in profile to managers like AVB and Sarri were

Amorim is a good young up and coming manager, my gripe is more with De Zerbi. Complete bad fit for us 

3 hours ago, Chelsea1985 said:

Under Roman our options would’ve been Inzaghi and Simeone. We’re now at De Zerbi and Amorim. Good grief

You say that as if Inzaghi and Simeone are slam dunk successes

32 minutes ago, Chelsea1985 said:

Amorim is a good young up and coming manager, my gripe is more with De Zerbi. Complete bad fit for us 

I think everything about our club at the moment fits De Zerbi actually. 

 

 

Tuchel would be my top choice easily if the owners are willing to swallow their pride.

IMO nobody comes close to him when it comes to tactics, he is one of the best out there. He already knows the league, loves the club, and he might find this project an exciting challenge for him.

Let’s not forget we’ve pretty much signed a whole new attack and he managed to win us the CL. So, can he get us a top 4 finish realistically with this squad? I reckon he can.

4 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

and he might find this project an exciting challenge for him.

 

He literally fell out with the owners because of the project. 

I think it'll be worrying if the owners want to bring him back. Shows they don't even believe in what they are trying to sell us. 

LMAO no one knows dick.

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Breaking: It is understood Chelsea will move in a different direction to Roberto De Zerbi if they change manager. De Zerbi is also not thought to be looking at Chelsea as a priority. 

Flick & Lopotegui could be looked at. Even Eddie Howe. 

@JacobsBen

 

 

WTF total clusterf**k

Does go to show that the journalists, even the ones who are usually decent, have no idea what our plans are for the summer. Yesterday we were after Amorim, De Zerbi or Alonso and today it's Flick, Howe or Lopetegui

Edited March 7, 20242 yr by timetowaste

1 hour ago, timetowaste said:

Does go to show that the journalists, even the ones who are usually decent, have no idea what our plans are for the summer. Yesterday we were after Amorim, De Zerbi or Alonso and today it's Flick, Howe or Lopetegui

Almost as if theyre just clueless f**kers making sh*t up.

4 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I think everything about our club at the moment fits De Zerbi actually. 

 

 

What overhyped and nothing of substance to back it up?

Apologies Sconnie, only joking. Couldn't resist.

Someone explain to me then why, having uplifted Jose's team immediately without any changes and currently schooling de Zerbi, de Rossi isn't even in the conversation anywhere/

 

 

20 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Someone explain to me then why, having uplifted Jose's team immediately without any changes and currently schooling de Zerbi, de Rossi isn't even in the conversation anywhere/

 

 

Because he's unlikely to leave a job he just joined a few weeks ago?

I don’t follow the Bundesliga but I have enjoyed watching Leipzig against Real Madrid. Anyone has any idea about the coach and how Leipzig is playing in the Bundesliga?

1 hour ago, WhiteWall said:

Someone explain to me then why, having uplifted Jose's team immediately without any changes and currently schooling de Zerbi, de Rossi isn't even in the conversation anywhere/

 

 

He's doing what we hoped Lampard was gonna do last season

Sometimes Happier players bring better results. I know little about De Rossi, but it could be without the burden of being yelled and burned in the media by third season Jose, players simply stepped up and played more freely. Speaking of Roma, unless something magical in the return leg, think De Zerbi just lost some serious credits as a manager for a top team.

1 hour ago, Drogba1 said:

Because he's unlikely to leave a job he just joined a few weeks ago?

I thought he was an interim. Didn't realise it was a proper permanent appointment 

8 hours ago, Niall1905 said:

You say that as if Inzaghi and Simeone are slam dunk successes

Inzaghi was in the champions league final last season and is currently on course to win Serie A at a canter. Simeone has won multiple league titles as an underdog in La Liga and been in two champions league finals. I would rather take my chances with either of those guys than De Zerbi