If I am any of the managers mentioned here for me to even consider Chelsea in its current state you have to make me the highest paid manager in the league + massive severance package 🤣🤣 

I would be bending these 🤡🤡🤡 over a barrel for every penny.

31 minutes ago, dkw said:

I wouldn't go near the Liverpool job if I was a manager, on a hiding to nothing following klopp unless they win at least the league. Just hold on, let someone else take the fall, then take it after them.

Salah rumored to leave this summer. VVD and TAA also in final 2 years. 

Liverpool looking like a big risk atm. They are desperately trying to get Edwards back. 

1 hour ago, El regreso said:

If I am any of the managers mentioned here for me to even consider Chelsea in its current state you have to make me the highest paid manager in the league + massive severance package 🤣🤣 

I would be bending these 🤡🤡🤡 over a barrel for every penny.

Hi Graham, how are you?!

1 hour ago, El regreso said:

If I am any of the managers mentioned here for me to even consider Chelsea in its current state you have to make me the highest paid manager in the league + massive severance package 🤣🤣 

I would be bending these 🤡🤡🤡 over a barrel for every penny.

Shouldn't be too hard considering conversations are supposedly still being had about Mudryk winning the Ballon d'Or.

Players like Jorginho and Havertz who were poor last season now looking very good under Arteta

 

Coaching matters a lot, most of our players looked great at other clubs before they came here

3 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Players like Jorginho and Havertz who were poor last season now looking very good under Arteta

 

Coaching matters a lot, most of our players looked great at other clubs before they came here

Only Jorginho has been getting plaudits really. Rice has been freed to do what he does best, which is be the aggressor, whilst Jorginho is doing what he's always been doing. Retain the ball and find options. 

Havertz is in his March spell of good form and he isn't even fooling the Arsenal fans. 

On 28/02/2024 at 13:48, Zeta said:

I have my career planned out:

2024 - Complete UEFA C and take on another 1-2 PT sessions per week at current club
2025 - Complete UEFA B
2026 - Investigate FT positions at current club and hopefully take one on (assuming I can afford to take the paycut to change career)
2027 - See if club will pay for me to do UEFA A. If not, save up for it and do it a year later.
2028/2029 - Complete UEFA A.
2029 - Take on youth coaching job at Chelsea and move to London
2031 - Progress up through the academy to U18/U21
2033 - Graham Potter gets sacked again. Step into caretaker role for 1-2 games.
2034 - New manager comes in (John Terry) and takes me on as assistant
2036 - Terry is sacked and I take over
2037 - Win everything

2038 - Lose Community Shield on penalties to Al Jihad.  @Whats_The_Mata? starts Zeta In or Out thread.

18 minutes ago, Liam said:

2038 - Lose Community Shield on penalties to Al Jihad.  @Whats_The_Mata? starts Zeta In or Out thread.

2038, October. Having lost 4 games @dkw calls Zeta an imbecile with f**k all tactical knowledge 

24 minutes ago, loz said:

2038, October. Having lost 4 games @dkw calls Zeta an imbecile with f**k all tactical knowledge 

That's happened a lot sooner than 2038

10 hours ago, olderschoolcfc said:

Carlo... Jose... would be my picks. Still to this day wobble my head at Romans decision to get rid of Carlo. 

Surprised no one is mentioning Zidane... winning coach if ever there was one and available. Probably wouldn't want a project team. 

If we get points deduction and relegation, Id be hoovering up Luton's boss or Vincent Company to get us back into the premiership. Poch would probably walk as he aint a championship manager. 

given that there is still a massive cloud over Stamford Bridge regarding FFP, this could put a lot of managers off coming near us. Fingers crossed we bag another 10/15 points and avoid relegation by stealth. 

 

 

Tactically TT was freaking brilliant but he is the last manager I want for long term. 

He nuked our transition to younger player. He brought back all the senior player. 

He also got rid of Tammy n Lukaku back to back, finding st in PL is a nightmare, you simply can't lose two of them in back to back window. 

 

11 hours ago, olderschoolcfc said:

Carlo... Jose... would be my picks. Still to this day wobble my head at Romans decision to get rid of Carlo. 

Surprised no one is mentioning Zidane... winning coach if ever there was one and available. Probably wouldn't want a project team. 

If we get points deduction and relegation, Id be hoovering up Luton's boss or Vincent Company to get us back into the premiership. Poch would probably walk as he aint a championship manager. 

given that there is still a massive cloud over Stamford Bridge regarding FFP, this could put a lot of managers off coming near us. Fingers crossed we bag another 10/15 points and avoid relegation by stealth. 

 

 

Zidane is being careful about taking up any managerial role, he will get exposed in the PL. He needs a perfect role where he isn’t doing too much.

Wont be surprised if he goes back to Madrid again after Carlo, with them potentially adding Mbappe, Alphonso Davies & Hakimi it’s the ideal role.

Zidane is too cool for us. His first and only job was Real, pretty hard to go down from that to manage a team plays Thursday night football at best.

My first pick is to keep Poch. I think another change will waste another season, potentially two when the next manager fails to inspire this group of players and the fanbase call for the club to cut off his head. 

4 minutes ago, olderschoolcfc said:

My first pick is to keep Poch. I think another change will waste another season, potentially two when the next manager fails to inspire this group of players and the fanbase call for the club to cut off his head. 

I agree.

Ironic to see people drooling over Arsenal and Arteta, but then wanting to give up on our own similar project after 7 months ...

If Poch is good enough for JT, then that works for me (ref: John Obi Mikel podcast with JT where he talks about Pochettino from about 1:30:30 )

Im fed up of the circus every managerial appointment comes with. I dont and have never really watched manager press conferences, only thing that matters is the performance on the picth so dont care what any of them really say. Proof is on the pitch and the players imo have turned a corner in what is expected of them. It's taken 12+ months of some woeful performances but something is starting to develop and I enjoy the slow progress being made. Sure its not lifting trophies but I enjoy football however it comes, even if it costs more than a ton to watch every now and then.

Love the cut of Palmer, Gusto, Petrovic, Desasi, Caicedo, Jackson, Gallagher. Some mental steel about them and a real good nucleus to work with. Think they'll all perform better with continuity in a manager. 

2 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

I agree.

Ironic to see people drooling over Arsenal and Arteta, but then wanting to give up on our own similar project after 7 months ...

If Poch is good enough for JT, then that works for me (ref: John Obi Mikel podcast with JT where he talks about Pochettino from about 1:30:30 )

 

37 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Ironic to see people drooling over Arsenal and Arteta, but then wanting to give up on our own similar project after 7 months ...

Difference between Arteta and Poch is that Arteta was fresh from an education under Pep. (That's not to say Poch hasn't been schooled by Pep too, LOL). Whereas Poch has had over a decade in top league management with a consistent track record of losing in the key moments. Nothing we've seen at Chelsea suggests he'll evolve beyond this.

For me the man to give time to was Potter - the similarities are there - a master tactician with a new approach who needs time with the group to implement his playing style and methods.

Clearlake panicked and made a rash decision - something they keep doing time after time after time.

3 minutes ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

Difference between Arteta and Poch is that Arteta was fresh from an education under Pep. (That's not to say Poch hasn't been schooled by Pep too, LOL). Whereas Poch has had over a decade in top league management with a consistent track record of losing in the key moments. Nothing we've seen at Chelsea suggests he'll evolve beyond this.

For me the man to give time to was Potter - the similarities are there - a master tactician with a new approach who needs time with the group to implement his playing style and methods.

Clearlake panicked and made a rash decision - something they keep doing time after time after time.

I think I need to invoke my inner John McEnroe to respond properly to this one LOL

42 minutes ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

Difference between Arteta and Poch is that Arteta was fresh from an education under Pep. (That's not to say Poch hasn't been schooled by Pep too, LOL). Whereas Poch has had over a decade in top league management with a consistent track record of losing in the key moments. Nothing we've seen at Chelsea suggests he'll evolve beyond this.

For me the man to give time to was Potter - the similarities are there - a master tactician

This made me spit out my coffee laughing.

The mistake was hiring Potter in the first place.

If any manager has had a consistent track record of losing it's Dull Graham.   27% win rate in 3 years at Brighton, never beating a PL team in a cup in 5 years of English football and never finishing with a positive goal difference in the Premier league.

Not sure his tactical masterclass guest speaking appearances will be well attended.

Edited March 5, 20242 yr by Whats_The_Mata?

28 minutes ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

The mistake was hiring Potter in the first place.

Certainly sacking Tuchel was a mistake, and hiring Potter was also if the expectation was instant success. It was always going to take multiple seasons for Potter to instill his advanced tactical systems on the squad. This is something Clearlake appeared to be aware of at first - when they mentioned Potter would be judged on years rather than games or months. When instant success was not forthcoming they knee jerked and replaced him with Lampard (yikes). Potter had much to manage - an ongoing injury crisis, a bunch of senior players who knew they would be leaving and an influx of new young players. An absolutely impossible combination.

Potter should have been given until Christmas 2023 at the very least.

Well it seems like they now know they have to keep the match crowd on-side with any manager.

Tuchel was certainly our most successful recent manager and I did not like the defensive build up to play yet I think the home crowd care more about winning now rather than longer term.

If that is the case that suggests it will impact the choice of manager to one with a successful track record and that might open the door for better or worse to Mourinho.

Of course if Poch successfully tweaks something in the meantime and it improves then maybe he will go on longer. 

 

23 minutes ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

Certainly sacking Tuchel was a mistake, and hiring Potter was also if the expectation was instant success. It was always going to take multiple seasons for Potter to instill his advanced tactical systems on the squad. This is something Clearlake appeared to be aware of at first - when they mentioned Potter would be judged on years rather than games or months. When instant success was not forthcoming they knee jerked and replaced him with Lampard (yikes). Potter had much to manage - an ongoing injury crisis, a bunch of senior players who knew they would be leaving and an influx of new young players. An absolutely impossible combination.

Potter should have been given until Christmas 2023 at the very least.

So, to sum up, excuses are valid if it is Potter, but not if it is Pochettino LOL.

And you prefer to trust someone with a track record of mediocrity over a guy whose PL record in full seasons as a manager is 8th, 5th, 3nd, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th.

Lovely jubbly ... 

Have you put in your application to replace Winstanley and Stewart yet ? 

2 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

I agree.

Ironic to see people drooling over Arsenal and Arteta, but then wanting to give up on our own similar project after 7 months ...

If Poch is good enough for JT, then that works for me (ref: John Obi Mikel podcast with JT where he talks about Pochettino from about 1:30:30 )

But on the flip side Arteta (Klopp, Wenger and Fergie also for that matter if we look back further) were all appointed due to underperforming managers being sacked during the season, so it works both ways.

Just now, Argo said:

But on the flip side Arteta (Klopp, Wenger and Fergie also for that matter if we look back further) were all appointed due to underperforming managers being sacked during the season, so it works both ways.

Which we did with Potter

47 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

So, to sum up, excuses are valid if it is Potter, but not if it is Pochettino LOL.

And you prefer to trust someone with a track record of mediocrity over a guy whose PL record in full seasons as a manager is 8th, 5th, 3nd, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th.

Lovely jubbly ... 

Have you put in your application to replace Winstanley and Stewart yet ? 

No, it's just that you were making comparisons between Arteta and Poch and bemoaning the lack of support enjoyed by the latter. I was merely pointing out that a comparison between Arteta and Potter would be far more apt given the similarities.

It's also well documented what a big fan Pep Guardiola is of both Arteta and Potter.