53 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Got a bad feeling about Marcesca. Not so much about him per se but I just think he’s tactics might be easy to work out and he will be found out. 
 

I really hope I’m wrong. 

Heard it all b4 haven't we... Sarri ball or wotever 😁

Mind you don't think we really gave Sarri much of chance either... history repeating itself again I suppose.

5 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

Apparently he's got one system and that's it.

But logically you'd think there would adaptations even during games ?

Dunno, I've read that at Leicester he was adamant he wouldn't change. Let's hope it works .

Having one system is fine, as long as you have player that fit into that system and you have good player you will win. 

I watched a few Leicester clip, it is boring, it is not spectacular but it is fine. 

My biggest worry so far in pre season is Maresca doesn’t have elite reputation nor elite playing past.

He need to get result quickly to convince his player to play for him. This is far more important than any tactic. 

 

 

 

Edited July 30, 20241 yr by Bob stark

3 hours ago, H2SO4aq said:

additionally, rewatching that Celtic game, Guiu, Nkunku, mudryk all tried to break lines and make runs only to see the man on the ball choose to pass sideways, again wtf is the purpose of having intelligent speedy / shifty attackers if we just want them to play at a walking pace? 

I noticed that in both pre season games. The optimist view is its just learning the system and when push comes to shove they will make the forward pass.

2 hours ago, ducavis said:

He has come out today to say he is struggling to fit Chilwell into the side, but we will struggle to find a buyer for him on his £200k/w wages

That seems to be a  club message to Chilwell delivered by Maresca. Reminds me of when Mourinho made Mata sit on the bench prior to selling him when he'd been player of the season the previous season. Professional football has its fantastic rewards but it's a tough gig in other ways.

 

1 hour ago, Bob stark said:

Having one system is fine, as long as you have player that fit into that system and you have good player you will win. 

I watched a few Leicester clip, it is boring, it is not spectacular but it is fine. 

My biggest worry so far in pre season is Maresca doesn’t have elite reputation nor elite playing past.

He need to get result quickly to convince his player to play for him. This is far more important than any tactic. 

 

 

 

 

52 minutes ago, ozboy said:

I noticed that in both pre season games. The optimist view is its just learning the system and when push comes to shove they will make the forward pass.

I mentioned this in the match thread too.

Got tired of seeing guiu making those runs and no one is passing to him. You can see him come in and out of shot on the edge of the screen. He was working those cb's which I really liked. Probably why it annoyed me a lot during the game that he wasn't getting any service.

Results aren't everything in pre-season, but performances do matter - to an extent.

One of the big shifts expected this season is a different approach to periodisation for the players (the scheduling of fitness training to optimising players for the season ahead) with a shift towards injury prevention rather than a vague focus on 'performance'. In practical terms it means our players are 3-4 weeks behind both Wrexham and Celtic in terms of fitness. For comparison, it generally takes about 2 weeks of training for the average person to improve their fitness so imagine what 4 weeks does for a professional.

The one thing most people have noticed is the complete absence of pressing at any phase of defense. Time will tell whether that is a fitness-related instruction or a tactical one; I sincerely hope it is the former, and makes sense given the number of players we have returning from long-term, career-defining injury.

My only real concern with pre-season so far is that I have no idea what Maresca's "system" is, or whether there is a clearly defined idea of play. It looks like Pochettino-ball with less counter-attacks (ie the same as late-stage Tuchel and Potter). The current attacking system seems to be to slowly progress the ball upfield and hope that our wingers beat the fullback; if that is the tactic, we are in for a very long season! 

Well, and that the apparent malaise is actually the players having downed tools for an inexperienced coach and a club lacking moral fibre and with the intention to sell it soul at every given opportunity.

Edited July 31, 20241 yr by SydneyChelsea

7 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

Badi was fine when he first played for us, , I don't know what it is about us ,but so many players eventually become unrecognisable in their ability to the player that arrived.

I hope Palmer avoids the all too common plummet in form.

Well, I hope they all do tbf

Just look at each player strengh and more importantly weakness and it is easy to tell why player struggle. 

For cb especially, it comes down how much protection they get 

Edited July 31, 20241 yr by Bob stark

Circuit training

17 hours ago, PloKoon13 said:

Which is quite concerning given that James and Chilwell are two of our best players.

Or at least were two of our best. I don't think a role that might be slightly physically less demanding would necessarily be bad for reece tbh. 

Re his Leicester season, I'm not going to put much stall by that, and personally I think this best ever championship squad stuff is slightly overstated. They were and are a ridiculously overpaid squad relative to their quality, but I don't really buy this whole premier league side playing in the championship narrative. They deserved to go down.

He deserves just as much of a shake from the fans as any new manager, and that means more than a couple of friendlies. 

15 hours ago, ducavis said:

Pep played 3 CBs next to him though, and when Walker played on the opposite flank it was sitting deep as a CB. Presently the only recognised fullback at City is Walker who now plays as a CB. They have just sold Couto to Dortmund, and Cancelo is for sale. Pep doesn’t want any fullback. Arteta’s Arsenal also only has Tierney who he sent out out on loan last season, and is up for sale as their only recognised fullback. Calafiori has been bought not to play as fullback, but rather to invert.

Personally unless James & Gusto can invert, I just don’t see how they work in Marseca’s system. He has come out today to say he is struggling to fit Chilwell into the side, but we will struggle to find a buyer for him on his £200k/w wages. Won’t be surprised come next summer if one of James/Gusto is put up for sale if he is still here.

No Zinchenko was LB. 

Talking about tactic 

This one thing that you would notice if you have watched Leicester last season. The pressing is very man to man. It is borderline insane at times

@gurru991

Did maresca do crazy man to man press every game? 

15 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

@gurru991

Did maresca do crazy man to man press every game? 

He prefers man to man pressing. From what I saw of the performance against Celtic this wasn't even an issue. The defensive line sleeping and players not tracking back was the biggest issue. 

Out of curiosity is there anyone on this forum that thinks Enzo is a good choice? I understand many are willing to give him a chance but that's different, I've yet to see a single person on here optimistic about this managerial decision. 

Even Potter had his fans. 

18 hours ago, Bebe1980 said:

Heard it all b4 haven't we... Sarri ball or wotever 😁

Mind you don't think we really gave Sarri much of chance either... history repeating itself again I suppose.

Sarri had much better and experienced players available at his disposal. Currently this lot is neither better nor experienced.

46 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

Out of curiosity is there anyone on this forum that thinks Enzo is a good choice? I understand many are willing to give him a chance but that's different, I've yet to see a single person on here optimistic about this managerial decision. 

Even Potter had his fans. 

Does anybody hand on heart really know enough about him. One season managing in the Championship doesn’t really give anybody enough knowledge on how he will cope in the Premiership at a larger club. All we can do is hope…failing that we could always go for Colin

2 hours ago, Victor90 said:

Out of curiosity is there anyone on this forum that thinks Enzo is a good choice? I understand many are willing to give him a chance but that's different, I've yet to see a single person on here optimistic about this managerial decision. 

Even Potter had his fans. 

I just wanted a coach that has tactics and was happy Enzo can and will implement tactics compared to running about all over the place by poch.

Unfortunately as above, and I've also posted early on that we really don't know much about him as a coach. One coaching stint at Leicester isn't enough to show he will or won't adapt depending on quality of players he has at his disposal. 

If he can get them to play the whole game the same way the first 30s went at the last friendly then he may surprise ppl.

I hope he was limited to just "plan A" by the players he had at Leicester and has the ability to tweak, adjust and be a proper tactician with "better players" at his disposal now. Are they "better" though? Not sure yet...

After a video like this I'm 99.9% sure we're winning it all

That video has the potential to look so, so bad after matchday one. 

The whole situation with Maserca just feels like a massive unnesscary risk given that we finished 6th last season after a big rebuild. I know it wasn’t perfect but another season of Poch and stability would have been sensible I think. We didn’t need to give a Poch a long term contract but he earned another year given the inexperienced squad he had. 
 

It’s just starting all over again and losing momentum. 

The owners saw Potter as the chosen one, 5 years deal with unconditional support, only lasted about 6 month. Poch got hired on a short term, proved himself to be worthy of the manager, didn't get the support and left on mutual terms. Now Enzo is seen as the chosen one, he seemed to play well with the owners, only thing yet to prove is  he could getting results on the field. After last season, one would think anything less than top 4 be a failure, otherwise why bothered getting rid of the last guy?

5 hours ago, Victor90 said:

Out of curiosity is there anyone on this forum that thinks Enzo is a good choice? I understand many are willing to give him a chance but that's different, I've yet to see a single person on here optimistic about this managerial decision. 

Even Potter had his fans. 

I just want us playing quick attacking football again. Maresca is the opposite of that, so no, I'm not optimistic at all. Doesn't help that the owners are doing him no favours buying players that look like they have very little football IQ to play his style of football.

2 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

I just want us playing quick attacking football again. Maresca is the opposite of that, so no, I'm not optimistic at all. Doesn't help that the owners are doing him no favours buying players that look like they have very little football IQ to play his style of football.

Not sure about the other kids we've signed but KDH looks like a good signing for Maresca, and dare I say it without getting lynched, an upgrade on Gallagher.

I'll forgive boring football if we're getting results and he gets us into the top 4. I just don't think he can, he's still very fresh and he has to whip these boys into shape quickly. Basically, he has to hit the ground running, we can't have another write-off season with the players learning a new style ffs. 

A manager talking tactics, what is this?

22 minutes ago, Argo said:

A manager talking tactics, what is this?

I used to love tuchel for that...