47 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Who was the last Chelsea manager to last 12 years ?

Sexton?

27 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Both wingers stay wide. A full back is inverted alongside the holding midfielder, with 2 #8s pushing forward supporting the striker. 

Do we have any out and out wingers?  Even Mudryk seems more comfortable centrally.   Not looking forward to the prospect of Caicedo and Enzo being our source of goals.  

This and Marescas reputation of being stubborn with his tactics isn't filing me with confidence.  Could be that tactics wise he adapted to the players he had available at Leicester the and will do the same here.  Any reference to him deploying the exact formation is his previous jobs?

1 hour ago, The Rising Sun said:

Who was the last Chelsea manager to last 12 years ?

Was it Potter? Wait I was thinking contract length. sorry.

Edited June 5, 20241 yr by DarkMata

3 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

Who was the last Chelsea manager to last 12 years ?

Emma Hayes. I literally just told you 

19 hours ago, ozboy said:

I think a strict diet is a  good start for the team. Look at Pep if you were more than 2 kg above your designated weight you didn't train. Look at Conte was fanatical about player diet. Years after he retired Terry was talking about tea and couple of biscuits and conte rang him to say one biscuit.

This discipline is valuable in itself but also helps with bonding the team and encouraging a "tough" attitude. I see this as a good sign.

Only one biscuit!!! OK then.

19 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Saturated fat and processed sugars I agree, but salt and pepper?

Literally dozens of academic journals on the importance of salt abundance for athletes, so definitely bullsh*t. 

Rodri’s eyebrows have literally disappeared thanks to PEDs and media outlets are talking about salt & pepper. 🤦‍♂️

8 hours ago, DarkMata said:

Do we have any out and out wingers?  Even Mudryk seems more comfortable centrally.   Not looking forward to the prospect of Caicedo and Enzo being our source of goals.  

This and Marescas reputation of being stubborn with his tactics isn't filing me with confidence.  Could be that tactics wise he adapted to the players he had available at Leicester the and will do the same here.  Any reference to him deploying the exact formation is his previous jobs?

Madueke/Sterling are more comfortable out wide 

Mudryk want to go centrally but you don't want him to go there. 

Edited June 6, 20241 yr by Bob stark

There is going to be lots of midfield competition if Lavia and Chukwumeka are fit and a new striker comes. I am really not a fan based on what I’ve so far seen of playing Enzo forward. In the two or three games chwumeka played as no 8 he was clearly far superior in the attacking part of the game to Enzo. As would Palmer or nkunku be or even Caicedo drives better. 
 

‘surely Enzo is better playing deep making the first forward pass, playing long balls, controlling the tempo?

Edited June 6, 20241 yr by ozboy

Been watching a lot of those YouTube vids about maresca and his old matches that i can find. Tbh, it's all we can go by with only 65 games under his belt and the rumours that have been non stop.

A few takeaways from them...what I sort of understood from them.

- He's a tactical coach...Great news for me, imho, most will hate it though if looking for extremely fast box to box chaos. 

- Think mourinho and TT in rgds to tactics and discipline. But I got the impression he didn't mind a bit more flair added on too, than those 2.

- he's worked with palmer before and I doubt he will keep him out wide. In the old vids he would have him coming in from the wing but there was always an overlap or someone else hugging the touchline when he comes in. 

-so he gives me a bit of optimism that he does like creative players too.

- he asked for all the data on the players, academy kids and staff. If he utilises academy kids that has to be a positive right!?

I hope and have my fingers crossed he will surprise us... not when it comes to the 50 odd passes sideways and back. That will happen, lol. But he will be more tactical than poch. 

The kids had a year of poch breast feeding them and they needed it, now they really need to step up with the intelligence. Maybe he will even work with mudryk and Jackson because they both could do with some intelligence/tactics. Mudryk always seems lost and Jackson needs a few goes before he gets the light bulb moment and realises d'oh.

They have the talent, we can't ignore that, they just need guidance/tactics and none of that "hippy free-will, have a lemon" type leader.

 

Honestly...only 65 games to go by, a team full of talent and potential better than any team he had before and being a relatively unknown may actually work. Well I'm hoping it does, because I don't think we can handle another manager change. It also takes a toll on the players, especially with ones soo young.

29 minutes ago, Simplymo said:

They have the talent, we can't ignore that, they just need guidance/tactics and none of that "hippy free-will, have a lemon" type leader.

Gold. Nailed it in one.

A good little stream highlighting the tactical issues regarding Nkunku in Marescas system in particular. Its on the long side, if you like that

 

28 minutes ago, AndyDowsleftflank said:

A good little stream highlighting the tactical issues regarding Nkunku in Marescas system in particular. Its on the long side, if you like that

 

If you think Nkunku is one of your best player your put him in his best position. 

15 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

If you think Nkunku is one of your best player your put him in his best position. 

Yeah, interesting to see whether Marescas  system came to be at Leicester because of the players available to him, or because its THE system he wants to play regardless. Hopefully its the former, and he finds a way to maximise Nkunku and Palmer in particular

Can you play Nkunku out wide? Absolutely. Nkunku is not a really a dribbler so don't ask him to stay wide with little support. You need either your 10 or 9 to come close to him. Jackson can do this or Gallagher (I think Gallagher did this vs bournemouth). 

Is this ideal? Nope, it is because Nkunku is probably our best connector. We want our best connector to connect play not hug the line. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Simplymo said:

Been watching a lot of those YouTube vids about maresca and his old matches that i can find. Tbh, it's all we can go by with only 65 games under his belt and the rumours that have been non stop.

A few takeaways from them...what I sort of understood from them.

- He's a tactical coach...Great news for me, imho, most will hate it though if looking for extremely fast box to box chaos. 

- Think mourinho and TT in rgds to tactics and discipline. But I got the impression he didn't mind a bit more flair added on too, than those 2.

- he's worked with palmer before and I doubt he will keep him out wide. In the old vids he would have him coming in from the wing but there was always an overlap or someone else hugging the touchline when he comes in. 

-so he gives me a bit of optimism that he does like creative players too.

- he asked for all the data on the players, academy kids and staff. If he utilises academy kids that has to be a positive right!?

I hope and have my fingers crossed he will surprise us... not when it comes to the 50 odd passes sideways and back. That will happen, lol. But he will be more tactical than poch. 

The kids had a year of poch breast feeding them and they needed it, now they really need to step up with the intelligence. Maybe he will even work with mudryk and Jackson because they both could do with some intelligence/tactics. Mudryk always seems lost and Jackson needs a few goes before he gets the light bulb moment and realises d'oh.

They have the talent, we can't ignore that, they just need guidance/tactics and none of that "hippy free-will, have a lemon" type leader.

 

Honestly...only 65 games to go by, a team full of talent and potential better than any team he had before and being a relatively unknown may actually work. Well I'm hoping it does, because I don't think we can handle another manager change. It also takes a toll on the players, especially with ones soo young.

I watched some extended highlights. Saw chaudry making some great goal line clearances. Certainly a team that like to recycle the ball. 

57 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Can you play Nkunku out wide? Absolutely. Nkunku is not a really a dribbler so don't ask him to stay wide with little support. You need either your 10 or 9 to come close to him. Jackson can do this or Gallagher (I think Gallagher did this vs bournemouth). 

Is this ideal? Nope, it is because Nkunku is probably our best connector. We want our best connector to connect play not hug the line. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where do you think Enzo should play Bob?

8 minutes ago, ozboy said:

Where do you think Enzo should play Bob?

Next to Caicedo in midfield, probably in 343 system 

 

 

 

Edited June 6, 20241 yr by Bob stark

Another midfielder doing well with Maresca was casedi. He will be ready for mor minutes this season. 
 

lavia, casedi, Enzo, Caicedo carney, Les, competing for two spots more or less. Personally I think the team looks far better when we have a 10 as well as a front 3. But then you have to have a back 4. 

1 hour ago, AndyDowsleftflank said:

Yeah, interesting to see whether Marescas  system came to be at Leicester because of the players available to him, or because its THE system he wants to play regardless. Hopefully its the former, and he finds a way to maximise Nkunku and Palmer in particular

I think it is quite obvious how to maximize those two. The hard part is how to maximize those 2, Caicedo, enzo, mudyrk, madueke and still stay balance. 

6 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

I think it is quite obvious how to maximize those two. The hard part is how to maximize those 2, Caicedo, enzo, mudyrk, madueke and still stay balance. 

If Reece and Chilwell is fit, a 3-4-3 with them as wingbacks and Palmer/Nkunku behind a striker would be perfect. Dont see that happening with Maresca though, as the wingers will be responsible for the width. 

7 minutes ago, AndyDowsleftflank said:

If Reece and Chilwell is fit, a 3-4-3 with them as wingbacks and Palmer/Nkunku behind a striker would be perfect. Dont see that happening with Maresca though, as the wingers will be responsible for the width. 

That is what I want. Two wb and 3 cb to protect Enzo + Caicedo. 

 

 

16 hours ago, DarkMata said:

I know everyone's saying Enzo wants touchline wingers but Leicester scored a decent amount of goals from their wide men, Mavididi scored 13ish league goals from the wing.  As in the goal he scored against us in the FA cup he's cutting in like your standard inverted forward.   Not watched any tactics videos of Maresca so could be miles off but isn't it more of one winger stays wide while the opposite wide man comes inside making and extra forward, apposed to both standing on the touchline crossing endlessly all game?

Looking at Leicester last season both wingers stay incredibly wide to try to stretch the defense in build up then come inside once the ball is further forward, think it suits Sterling perfectly.

f**k the inverted full back off.

3-2 base of:

     Enzo Caicedo

Colwill CB(?) Fofana

or

     Enzo Caicedo

Cucurella Colwill Fofana

then let Reece James overlap Palmer on the right. Inverted full back should only be used to allow one of your 8's to push on, and Caicedo and Enzo are both far better in the 2 man base. 

3 hours ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

f**k the inverted full back off.

3-2 base of:

     Enzo Caicedo

Colwill CB(?) Fofana

or

     Enzo Caicedo

Cucurella Colwill Fofana

then let Reece James overlap Palmer on the right. Inverted full back should only be used to allow one of your 8's to push on, and Caicedo and Enzo are both far better in the 2 man base. 

Probably the most balanced that way. 

Petrovic

Fofana     Tosin    Colwill

Caicedo Enzo

James                           Sterling

Palmer   Nkunku

Jackson

3 hours ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

f**k the inverted full back off.

3-2 base of:

     Enzo Caicedo

Colwill CB(?) Fofana

or

     Enzo Caicedo

Cucurella Colwill Fofana

then let Reece James overlap Palmer on the right. Inverted full back should only be used to allow one of your 8's to push on, and Caicedo and Enzo are both far better in the 2 man base. 

Would rather we took the horses for courses route.

As we saw the back end of last season alone, some games it will be suit perfectly others not so much.