Posted June 23, 201014 yr England V Germany Sunday 27th 15:00UK ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Germany have never beaten England in the WC finals, true or false ?
June 23, 201014 yr Please do not get decided by penalties! Edited June 23, 201014 yr by Barry Bridges
June 23, 201014 yr I think England will have to play even better when they face Germany. It's going to be a really interesting game :)
June 23, 201014 yr We are clear underdogs in this one and I am hoping that that fact is what spurs us on to come out the other side victorious. The midfield battle is key as Germany are not particularly talented up front and nor are we. I have total confidence in Ashley Cole and JT to rise to the occasion however I have concerns about whoever partners JT in the centre and Johnson who is, game after game, proving to be a loose cannon at the back. Frank was a lot better against Slovenia than he has been in our first two games and he probably needs to improve the same amount again to make a real impact on Sunday. I also feel Capello has to pull Gerrard into the centre for this game however I suspect he will start on the left again.
June 23, 201014 yr England are apparently somehow the bookies' favourites for this. A fiver on Germany to get through might have to happen...
June 24, 201014 yr We are clear underdogs in this one and I am hoping that that fact is what spurs us on to come out the other side victorious. The midfield battle is key as Germany are not particularly talented up front and nor are we. I have total confidence in Ashley Cole and JT to rise to the occasion however I have concerns about whoever partners JT in the centre and Johnson who is, game after game, proving to be a loose cannon at the back. Frank was a lot better against Slovenia than he has been in our first two games and he probably needs to improve the same amount again to make a real impact on Sunday. I also feel Capello has to pull Gerrard into the centre for this game however I suspect he will start on the left again. Loz, can't agree with you on some of this. England are not the underdogs in this match no matter how they played the first two games. At worse, I think it's even but with the youth of the German side I believe they are the underdogs in this match. Up front, both teams are talented. Say what you want about Klose when it comes to club football, but for Germany he takes it to a whole new level. With Podolski and Müller on the wings in the midfield that tend to slide up to attacking positions and Klose's knack for being able to score goals, it's a pretty nasty trio. England in my opinion has better strikers, especially if Rooney gets hot. He hasn't had a great match yet. He's due. Neither team may be an Argentina or Spain, but both have very good talent. I really think the difference between the teams is the defense. I think England has a better defensive back four than Germany. The German back line has been exposed and I could see Rooney being able to slide through. I think the midfields will be evenly matched with whoever can keep their defense disciplined winning this match. It's a shame to see these two paired so early in the knockout round.
June 24, 201014 yr Perhaps but at least this WC will feature what is (and always will be) a blockbuster & as Liam quite rightly pointed out this fixture is what us neutrals have wanted all along: after watching both England & Germany games last night I can't help but feel that Germany may have peaked too soon and that you lot may have started to gel at the right time. Old heads against young legs: has all the promise of a classic tie.
June 24, 201014 yr Remember 66.....!!! WW1.....WWII....Vera Lynn...!!!! 2-1 England....It will be a classic.....a very passionate game...
June 24, 201014 yr England improved against Slovenia but im not convinced they are good enough to beat Germany , hope im wrong but i thought England were nervous for 20 mins and didnt really lookd uncomfortable at times. But saying that , todays win could have a huge effect on confidence and ive no doubt the attitude will be completely different considering its the Germans. England solid at the back and if Rooney turns up then its possible it will go Englands way .
June 24, 201014 yr I've seen nothing from England yet to make me believe they will beat Germany. Sorry folks, but I think your run ends here
June 24, 201014 yr I've seen nothing from England yet to make me believe they will beat Germany. Sorry folks, but I think your run ends here After watching Germanys last 2 games i havent seen much to say they can beat England either, other than Ozil. If anything i would rather face them than Ghana on the strnegth of last nights match, they cut the Germans apart on several occasions. Plus with Pigsticker being only 50/50 to play their midfield could well be missing their most influential player.
June 24, 201014 yr Very very interesting match indeed!! After England's display yesterday, which was MUCH more courageous and confident, this is a very difficult game to call. England dont want a draw and penalties, that's for sure!! England should have spanked Slovenia by a few more goals - do they still lack a killer finishing instinct? One goal against the Germans may not be enough! As a Northern Irish man, I am obviously 100% loyal to Northern Ireland's international team and I do a bit of winding up against England when I get the chance. However, yesterday I was delighted, not only for Terry and the performances that our Chelsea boys put in, but it's also for the good of the cup. Sure the media really grind my gears, but I am sure they do the same to you guys too. For the team (mostly) I would like England to win the cup. For the media torturing I do not. Sunday will be a great day. Lets hope the Germans are sent home! Edited June 24, 201014 yr by Zola
June 24, 201014 yr Oh boy, this is going to be an amazing match to watch, I just hope it wont come down to penalties
June 24, 201014 yr A very interesting match. If we play a flat midfield four I think we will have a problem with possession in the midfield. Ozil in front of our back four worries me too. On the other hand, the German defence doesn't look too solid so there will be chances. I'd say the match was pretty even. We tend to play better against teams that play against us so I think we will be less nervous now that we are in to the knockout stages. My biggest complaint about the formation we used yesterday is that our two best midfield players, and potential sources of goals, were being asked to play in roles which restricted their natural games. Lampard was sitting with Barry and didn't get much opportunity to get forward. Gerrard was much more disciplined on the left but as a result was less involved.
June 24, 201014 yr "Two world wars and one world cup, do dah, do dah" Pack your bags boys, have a holiday
June 24, 201014 yr Germany have never beaten England in the WC finals, true or false ? That's true if you don't include the matches against West Germany, but that would mean England has never beaten Germany either. I don't think England has played Germany in the World Cup if you don't include the matches against West Germany. I think West Germany beat England twice and England beat them just once, but that was the big one.
June 24, 201014 yr In view of: 1. England's proud tradition of folding against Germany (preferably after penalties) 2. how England qualified by the skin of their teeth 3. England's goal scoring problems 4. Germany's habit to improve during a tournament I'd say Germany are favourites to win.
June 24, 201014 yr I've seen nothing from England yet to make me believe they will beat Germany. I agree with that. However, when you come down to it, Germany are not that good this time around, so you'll never know. You can now read this thread and the whole forum in the true spirit of the world cup by clicking here: the shed end at the world cup Don't forget to turn the sound on.
June 24, 201014 yr In view of: 1. England's proud tradition of folding against Germany (preferably after penalties) Didnt we beat them the last time we met them in a tournament?
June 24, 201014 yr Didnt we beat them the last time we met them in a tournament? In Euro 2000? England won just one match in the group stage and it was against Germany. Germany was even worse and got just a single point, but they both got knocked out.
June 24, 201014 yr http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8757944.stm Franz Beckenbauer believes England made a stupid mistake by failing to avoid a second-round match against Germany at the World Cup in South Africa. The two sides will meet in Bloemfontein on Sunday after England failed to win Group C despite beating Slovenia 1-0. "Stupidly, the English have slipped up a little by finishing second in their group," said German great Beckenbauer. "The English look a little tired... they are burnt out. We respect them but we certainly don't fear them." England's win over Slovenia made certain of their place in the knockout stages of the competiion, but they were denied a meeting with Ghana on Saturday when a late winner by the United States against Algeria put them on top of the group table. Beckenbauer attacked England's style of play earlier in the tournament, saying they had "gone backwards into the bad old days of kick and rush", but admitted they looked better in their final group match. 606: DEBATE Anything Beckenbauer says from now to Sunday will only fire up the England players even more BRFC "England's first two appearances at the World Cup were paltry, but they improved against Slovenia," Beckenbauer, who won the tournament as a player and a coach, told German newspaper Bild. "What makes them dangerous is that their key players Frank Lampard, Steven Gerrard and John Terry sense that this could be the last chance in their career to win a World Cup. And after all, England have been waiting since 1966 for a title. "After they failed to qualify for Euro 2008, England hit rock bottom. Fabio Capello appears to have brought discipline to the troops, [he] has brought in a new structure." Beckenbauer said "a game like this [England v Germany] should be a semi-final, not a last-16 game". However, he believes the German players are fresher than England's, a situation he put down to the rigours of Premier League football. "The Premier League players have got to play far more games than their Bundesliga colleagues, including two national cup competitions," added Beckenbauer, who scored one of West Germany's goals in a 3-2 quarter-final win against England in Mexico in 1970. "Therefore, when it comes to a World Cup or a European Championships, they are burnt out. Our players, on the other hand, seem to be in a physically better condition."
June 24, 201014 yr 7-30-1966 ENGLAND 4,GERMANY 2 ---------1966 FIFA World Cup Final 6-14-1970 ENGLAND 2, GERMANY 3 ---------1970 FIFA World Cup 5-13-1982 ENGLAND 0, GERMANY 0 ---------1982 FIFA World Cup 6-4-1990 ENGLAND 1, GERMANY 1 (3-4p.) --1990 FIFA World Cup Germany 2 England 1 X Miroslav Klose will be but Bastian has little problem on his sinew(?) :( Hope he'll be better and fit for England :P
