2 hours ago, big blue said:

Scored a great winner at home to newcastle last season. 

In conte's title winning season, he scored a big goal against city, and a brace against stoke to equal the win record. 

I agree he shouldve been sold a couple of years ago, but with the ban, im sure he can still play a part this season, and now we have extended his contract, we can cash in on him next summer. Even if we only get £15m for him, it will still be a good return for him. 

I like Willian, yet like him when he is coming off the bench.

Not a 90 minute player for me yet certainly capable of scoring a peach of a goal every now and again though many won't hit the mark. 

Barcelona looks set to flip Malcom for about €45M.

If there was any truth to the rumor that they offered Malcom and €20m, it was incredibly bad business by Chelsea. 

Ironically, Willian and Malcom scored exactly the same amount of Premier League Goals last season after the January Window Closed. 

Barcelona looks set to flip Malcom for about €45M.

If there was any truth to the rumor that they offered Malcom and €20m, it was incredibly bad business by Chelsea. 

Ironically, Willian and Malcom scored exactly the same amount of Premier League Goals last season after the January Window Closed. 

If this season is expected to be something of a write-off, I would just rather see Willian sold and Musonda used as one of the wingers instead. 

16 minutes ago, GhostOfDembaBa said:

If this season is expected to be something of a write-off, I would just rather see Willian sold and Musonda used as one of the wingers instead. 

Fundementally disagree. Willian may not be great and I've always preferred Pedro but he is absolutely light years ahead of Musonda, galaxy's even!!

We may not be winning the league but we still have targets to reach and a proven (all be it inconsistent) winger is a much, much prefrable option to help us reach said targets than one that couldn't get a look in at Betis and Celtic.

Edited July 31, 20196 yr by Argo

3 hours ago, Argo said:

Fundementally disagree. Willian may not be great and I've always preferred Pedro but he is absolutely light years ahead of Musonda, galaxy's even!!

We may not be winning the league but we still have targets to reach and a proven (all be it inconsistent) winger is a much, much prefrable option to help us reach said targets than one that couldn't get a look in at Betis and Celtic.

I'm in no way a huge fan of Willian's but you are spot on - there's no conceivable situation where Musonda should be an option over him.

5 hours ago, GhostOfDembaBa said:

If this season is expected to be something of a write-off, I would just rather see Willian sold and Musonda used as one of the wingers instead. 

Musonda has gone to Vitesse on loan anyway and like Argo said, that would be quite frankly ridiculous. Musonda had a serious injury last season and Willian may not be everyone's cup of tea, but is much better than Musonda.

He's of course light-years ahead of Musonda, who may not amount to even half the player Willian is/has been, but with Pulisic, Pedro, Hudson Odoi (plus Kenedy) already there as wingers, might just be the last chance to get a big fee for him and give the kid (Musonda) a chance. 

He actually did have a good spell at Betis and he's not really been given a shot at all for the seniors bar that one cup game (?) where he actually played really well and scored. 

12 hours ago, GhostOfDembaBa said:

He's of course light-years ahead of Musonda, who may not amount to even half the player Willian is/has been, but with Pulisic, Pedro, Hudson Odoi (plus Kenedy) already there as wingers, might just be the last chance to get a big fee for him and give the kid (Musonda) a chance. 

He actually did have a good spell at Betis and he's not really been given a shot at all for the seniors bar that one cup game (?) where he actually played really well and scored. 

Then he played against Everton and looked like he didnt know how to play football. 

He's not a good football player and he will not play in the premier league for any club, let alone us. 

3 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Then he played against Everton and looked like he didnt know how to play football. 

He's not a good football player and he will not play in the premier league for any club, let alone us. 

There's no way you could possibly know this.

3 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

There's no way you could possibly know this.

There's no way anyone can know anything about the future. It was a prediction. (that will come true ? )

Edited August 1, 20196 yr by bisright1

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

There's no way you could possibly know this.

Why not?

5 minutes ago, Argo said:

Why not?

People said Salah would never be good enough for the prem, look at him flying now.

There's no way anyone can say someone will never play in a certain league or for a certain team.

In the right system, any player can be dangerous.

4 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

People said Salah would never be good enough for the prem, look at him flying now.

There's no way anyone can say someone will never play in a certain league or for a certain team.

In the right system, any player can be dangerous.

Difference is Salah showed himself to be a somewhat useful player, his goal record for Egypt and performances in Florence suggested as much.

Charley whenever I've watched him has never really struck me as a player who would make it near the top (in laymans terms naturally gifted but his impact on a game very minimul) and his failed loan spells in my eyes only served to confirm was already abundantly obvious.

33 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

People said Salah would never be good enough for the prem, look at him flying now.

There's no way anyone can say someone will never play in a certain league or for a certain team.

In the right system, any player can be dangerous.

Salah did it for Basel and did it after he left us. 

Musonda fell out with Celtic, looked w**k when playing for us in the league cup against Everton, and is constantly injured. His attitude clearly stinks of arrogance. 

29 minutes ago, Argo said:

Difference is Salah showed himself to be a somewhat useful player, his goal record for Egypt and performances in Florence suggested as much.

Charley whenever I've watched him has never really struck me as a player who would make it near the top (in laymans terms naturally gifted but his impact on a game very minimul) and his failed loan spells in my eyes only served to confirm was already abundantly obvious.

The performances for Fiorentina are irrelevant because they came after the Chelsea spell. Whilst at Chelsea, it was unanimous that Salah wasn't good enough for Chelsea or the physicality of the Premier League.

Musonda was Betis' best player before they changed manager and became somewhat of a cult hero for them with fans turning up to games in Musonda masks.

I'm not saying he's good enough for Chelsea, just that it is stupid to say a certain player won't ever be good enough for a certain team or league.

No idea what formation we’ll play next season but if it’s a case of him or Pedro then I’d pick Pedro every time. Willian is a good squad player but not much more for me, I’m sure he’ll throw a strop if he’s dropped or edit Frank out of some pictures.

 

There’s no real reason why it should irk me as much as it does but why should he get the number 10 shirt (if true)? Not because it’s been used by great players before him but he’s been 22 since he signed, just stick with it, surely?? Azpi could have had 2 at some point but stuck with 28, Luiz could have gone back to 4 but stuck with 30. I understand the change if it’s only been a season or 2 and ‘your’ number becomes free but 6 years? No, come on. Irrational rant over. 

Weird how much sh*t Willian gets. I always think wheter it is because he looks like he could produce so much more with his skillset. Probably. Absolutely fantastic technical skills.

21 minutes ago, evissy said:

Weird how much sh*t Willian gets. I always think wheter it is because he looks like he could produce so much more with his skillset. Probably. Absolutely fantastic technical skills.

This is the problem, every so often he really pulls it out of the bag... this makes the next 8 lack luster performances worthy of stick... he has always had the skill 

7 hours ago, Argo said:

Difference is Salah showed himself to be a somewhat useful player, his goal record for Egypt and performances in Florence suggested as much.

Charley whenever I've watched him has never really struck me as a player who would make it near the top (in laymans terms naturally gifted but his impact on a game very minimul) and his failed loan spells in my eyes only served to confirm was already abundantly obvious.

Just reminded me... I recall certain 'prominent' members here slagging Salah off and passing the same verdict even after his performances in Florence.

Apparently he was too fundamentally flawed to be any good, and the club had no business keeping him on the books. 

Agree, though, that Salah was already performing at a certain level, for Basel and in Europe even before Fiorentina.

6 hours ago, evissy said:

Weird how much sh*t Willian gets. I always think wheter it is because he looks like he could produce so much more with his skillset. Probably. Absolutely fantastic technical skills.

I don't find it weird, I completely understand why Willian get's so much criticism. He's a big part of the reason why we struggle for goals. I would go as far as to say that Willian has never played a major part in any of our title and cup wins since he joined. You could put any decent winger in his position and we would have won just as much. Malouda got much worse criticism in his time with us, but at least he played a crucial role in our 2009-10 title win. Every single season that we won something, Willian was overshadowed by a ton of players. Willian plays more games than nearly anybody else in squad, but his contribution in the majority of those games is pitiful.

If anything, I think Willian has had it easy compared to other under performing players over the years, especially from those that don't support Chelsea. It's only in the last year that we have seen a big turn against him.

To be brutally honest, if we didn't have a transfer ban, Willian would be one of the first players I would be looking to replace. The only reason why I would prefer to keep him around now is to make up the numbers in our squad.

 

8 hours ago, evissy said:

Weird how much sh*t Willian gets. I always think wheter it is because he looks like he could produce so much more with his skillset. Probably. Absolutely fantastic technical skills.

I think that in addtioon to his constant dribbling and lack of appreciation of players around him, until he ultimately loses the ball or missplaces a pass, its his poor body language implying that its always soemone elses fault and not him, is what pi$$e$ me of. Its perspective, so of course i may be wrong, but every fatalistic shrugging of the shoulders and waving of the arms really gets under my skin.

Just own it now and again you f***er, just put you hand up, "my bad". Stop giving it the billy big bollox when you're the one at fault.

Something like that anyway

Edited August 1, 20196 yr by WhiteWall

I genuinely believe Willian is still at Chelsea because of his song. 

Hes one of the few players whose names get sung every game

Some people in the club must assume that means he’s popular. He is on a lot of our merchandising photos - for probably the same reason. 

2 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

I genuinely believe Willian is still at Chelsea because of his song. 

Hes one of the few players whose names get sung every game

Some people in the club must assume that means he’s popular. He is on a lot of our merchandising photos - for probably the same reason. 

Yeah, so does the f**k em all song, it dont mean we're fans of united, West Ham, Liverpool

Personally, I think he is a bit harshly treated but equally, in recent seasons he has changed in his demeanour. 

Previously, he was the most hardworking player in the team and it was his ridiculous amount of running to win back possession that endeared him to me and was alwayd the reason I wouldn't be too critical of him.

I think he has been a good player for the club and played an important role, even with a relative lack of goals his ability to keep possession under pressure, take players on, defensive workrate, along with the goals and assists he has got have all played an important part in the team since he's been here.

 

 

Easy to forget the amount of quality moments he's provided as well.