Just now, yorkleyblue said:

Now you're just being either silly or demented in your bigotry.

There are many reasons to criticise Willian, but tonight there aren't any - bloke was good tonight.  And not many others were.  If you cant see that, then you are letting your pre-conceived hatred of the player get in the way of any rational analysis.

But, love you, babe, anyway.

Come on yorkley, that is blind defending of a player. He SHOULD have played Pedro in and he SHOULD have hit the target with the chance he had in the first half. His end product has never been and never will be good enough.

I thought he played well

1 minute ago, EdinburghBlue said:

Come on yorkley, that is blind defending of a player. He SHOULD have played Pedro in and he SHOULD have hit the target with the chance he had in the first half. His end product has never been and never will be good enough.

Nope, and never has been in 83 seasons as a top international player.  That's my position on Willian always.  He's never been a great goal-scorer throughout his career, so why are w**kers slamming him for not scoring 20 a season now?  The man brings a different dynamic to the team that many top professional managers recognise, but being a main goal scorer isn't it. Neither Bonetti, Chopper Harris nor Makele scored many - were they sh*te too?

4 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

Nope, and never has been in 83 seasons as a top international player.  That's my position on Willian always.  He's never been a great goal-scorer throughout his career, so why are w**kers slamming him for not scoring 20 a season now?  The man brings a different dynamic to the team that many top professional managers recognise, but being a main goal scorer isn't it. Neither Bonetti, Chopper Harris nor Makele scored many - were they sh*te too?

I think you know how ridiculous you’re being with those comparisons I’ve highlighted. It’s not a case of scoring 20 a season. He can’t even get towards double figures. You were always critical of Luiz were you not because you’d like him to be able to defend first and foremost (might be confusing you with just - apologies if so!) but personally I like my wingers to be able to attack first and foremost. Willian’s G+A output for a winger is honking. I’ve not called him sh*te, I’ve said that aspect of his game is sh*te, because well it is. As I’ve said he’s a good player and I’ve always been an advocate of him as a squad player but when he gets in to dangerous positions as an international player, I still expect him to be able to finish.

Edited September 17, 20196 yr by EdinburghBlue

Just now, EdinburghBlue said:

I think you know how ridiculous you’re being with those comparisons I’ve highlighted. It’s not a case of scoring 20 a season. He can’t even get towards double figures. You were always critical of Luiz were you not because you’d like him to be able to defend first and foremost (might be confusing you with just - apologies if so!) but personally I like my wingers to be able to attack first and foremost. Willian’s G+A output for a winger is honking. As I’ve said he’s a good player and I’ve always been an advocate of him as a squad player but when he gets in to dangerous positions as an international player, I still expect him to be able to finish.

You're confusing me with just ( and just about anyone else) but my position on Willian has always been to look at his previous, and he has never been a great scorer or assister, anywhere.  He brings a different skill set to a team and many, many top class managers recognise that at both club and international level.  Not every player in a team has to be scoring goals or saving penalties to be valuable to the performance.

1 minute ago, yorkleyblue said:

You're confusing me with just ( and just about anyone else) but my position on Willian has always been to look at his previous, and he has never been a great scorer or assister, anywhere.  He brings a different skill set to a team and many, many top class managers recognise that at both club and international level.  Not every player in a team has to be scoring goals or saving penalties to be valuable to the performance.

Ahh apologies!

 

Of course but when an international winger gets the ball at the penalty spot or edge of the box, you expect him to be able to hit the target or play a 5 yard pass to a teammate surely? Willian certainly wasn’t the reason we lost tonight but he should he doing better in those sort of positions.

36 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

There are many reasons to criticise Willian, but tonight there aren't any - bloke was good tonight.

I know tonight was bad mate but you need to lay off the booze a bit. 

Willian was fantastic tonight until it came to his Achilles’ heel - end product. 

56 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

Now you're just being either silly or demented in your bigotry.

There are many reasons to criticise Willian, but tonight there aren't any - bloke was good tonight.  And not many others were.  If you cant see that, then you are letting your pre-conceived hatred of the player get in the way of any rational analysis.

But, love you, babe, anyway.

Some people must of watched a different game to me, I thought Willian was our most dangerous player, Pedro was poor when he came on as was kovatic at times, but the two worst were our excuses for full backs/ wing backs absolutely dire the pair of them, unfortunately they will stay in team until Emerson and James are fit.

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

cost us the game not squaring it to Pedro in the second half. Once again, brain dead from this man. A bit of pace past a defender isn't enough to impress me.

If he didn't impress you tonight, then dread to think what you thought of the rest of the team, our best player tonight, which isn't saying much but better than rest. Football is about opinions, I suppose your be saying Dave and Alonso had good games!!

He was prime Willian. Some good runs, good egergy, looks great but manages to fall short too often at the crucial point. 

It's what we've known from Willian since he's been here. Nothing new. Was still the most troublesome player for them to deal with.

Pedro was absolutely awful.

I was hoping Pulisic would come on for Mount and Pedro might get a run out for a tires Willian late on, unfortunately not.

 

Edited September 17, 20196 yr by GhostOfDembaBa

There are plenty of players that ought to be criticised for the loss tonight before we get to Willian. Can't believe people are singling out Willian as though he cost the team tonight. Bizarre.

Anyone blaming Willian for this lost tonight just plain hate the guy, maybe they caught him with their wife's...

1 hour ago, chi blue said:

Some people must of watched a different game to me, I thought Willian was our most dangerous player, Pedro was poor when he came on as was kovatic at times, but the two worst were our excuses for full backs/ wing backs absolutely dire the pair of them, unfortunately they will stay in team until Emerson and James are fit.

Bit unfair on Alonso ... I thought he did ok tonight.  Azpi started well, but got worse the longer the game went on.

8 hours ago, Munkworth said:

I know tonight was bad mate but you need to lay off the booze a bit. 

Willian was fantastic tonight until it came to his Achilles’ heel - end product. 

And this is the frustration with him and the story of his career here, in 230mins of PL & CL football he has ZERO goals and assists. 

I don't think I can recall a Chelsea player who has ever divided opinion more than Willian. (Might start a new thread)

For me he was our best player tonight and if he hadn't been on the pitch we would have lost some attacking threat. I've seen him play better but there were bigger problems than his current form. He is nearing the end of his Chelsea career and CHO is probably the replacement but he is injured and quite frankly looking like he wants to leave.

 

16 minutes ago, Andy North said:

I don't think I can recall a Chelsea player who has ever divided opinion more than Willian. (Might start a new thread)

Check the Mikel threads before you start a new one :)

9 hours ago, GhostOfDembaBa said:

He was prime Willian. Some good runs, good egergy, looks great but manages to fall short too often at the crucial point. 

It's what we've known from Willian since he's been here. Nothing new. Was still the most troublesome player for them to deal with.

Pedro was absolutely awful.

I was hoping Pulisic would come on for Mount and Pedro might get a run out for a tires Willian late on, unfortunately not.

 

1 hour ago, ducavis said:

And this is the frustration with him and the story of his career here, in 230mins of PL & CL football he has ZERO goals and assists. 

Throughout his career he has NEVER been a great goal scorer, that's why I find it ridiculous that posters in here make so much fuss about his low scoring returns.  I think some people just have either a weird idea that every player needs to be trying for the golden boot, or Willian has been shagging a shedload of posters' wives or something.  On Saturday I saw some tit complaining about Willian BEFORE KICK-OFF and again a  couple of minutes in before he'd even done anything.

Just gets a bit tired and irritating, really.

10 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

On Saturday I saw some tit complaining about Willian BEFORE KICK-OFF and again a  couple of minutes in before he'd even done anything.

Someone in the match thread was saying its partly his fault Barkley missed his pen 😂

17 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

 

Check the Mikel threads before you start a new one 🙂

Throughout his career he has NEVER been a great goal scorer, that's why I find it ridiculous that posters in here make so much fuss about his low scoring returns.  I think some people just have either a weird idea that every player needs to be trying for the golden boot, or Willian has been shagging a shedload of posters' wives or something.  On Saturday I saw some tit complaining about Willian BEFORE KICK-OFF and again a  couple of minutes in before he'd even done anything.

Just gets a bit tired and irritating, really.

Problem with him as I see is not his scoring it is the times he makes (what appears to be) a bad choice with either passing or cutting back in. I think that he has been here for so long makes these more obvious (all players do it even Eden and Frank) but once a player has that perception it is easier to see every instance (see Jason lee for the classic example) 

One of the few bright sparks last night in my opinion. He brings a certain fluidity to our attack, his movement is intelligent, and he is key to keeping possession in the opposition half. Unfortunate that Mount went off when he did, I would have been very interested to see he and Willian combine in the system we played last night. 

Admittedly he did frustrate with a couple of his decisions in the final third, but understandable I think as this was only his second start of the season, and he missed a fair chunk of pre-season due to Copa America. 

I think he has been good last two games but as an experienced player you would have expected him to square the ball to Pedro in that moment. 

However, he's not to blame, Pedro had the absolute stinker. 

Thought Willian was a disgrace last night, with the penalty, but also when he played a poor ball for Dave then had a hissy fit. As soon as Hazard was gone he wanted the number 10 shirt but he's undeserving of it. Last night we played with three attackers. Mason, Tammy and Willian. Willian's the only one that can't deliver. People saying he's not in the side to provide goals and assists are just making excuses for him. That's exactly what he's in the side for. That's exactly what Pedro's in the side for and that's exactly why we've bought Pulisic. As soon as Callum is fit he'll show Willian how to do it. Lastly, with seconds to go we had a corner. He didn't even beat the first defender. Shameful.

3 hours ago, Stim said:

Someone in the match thread was saying its partly his fault Barkley missed his pen 😂

 

Opposition players will try every trick in the book to put a penalty taker off. Why? To get inside their mind. To give them an edge.

 

Yesterday Willian acted like an opposition player. He certainly wasn't trying to help Barkley.

 

Willian is to blame far more than Barkley, in my opinion. Absolutely shocking behaviour, from an experienced player too. It was such a crucial penalty, right at the end of the game. There was absolutely no excuse for it.

I can tell you one thing for certain. Lampard will not be pleased about it.

Edited September 18, 20196 yr by Davey Baby

Something for Willian to ponder on ..

 

 

So Lamps, Ross and Azpi have all said that Barkley is the designated penalty taker when on the pitch. So what was Willian moaning about exactly?