Just Imagine him and Hazard doing dribbling in both wingers... Wowowo they will terrorise defence

 

Willian looses the ball more often then he pulls of a stunt like the one showed in this gif. He was poor again yesterday against Austria, kept loosing the ball and was substituted. 

i'm surprised there were quite a few people doubting his ability. However, he isn't worth 30+ million at the moment, but he is coming into his prime and i think he can go up another level. I have also noticed how he is becoming a lot more comfortable at taking on defenders to cross or shoot, whereas a year ago he would almost avoid doing it at all.

I'm not. It's painfully obvious that *most* football watchers only rate someone once they've stepped into the limelight and are unable to make a considered judgement until there is a consensus on the matter. He is getting better and better, and like Mourinho has said, if he adds a little bit more to his game he will be fantastic.

Willian looses the ball more often then he pulls of a stunt like the one showed in this gif. He was poor again yesterday against Austria, kept loosing the ball and was substituted.

Just about every player loses the ball more than they perform a successful dribble. He was substituted because he has been playing a lot recently.

I'm not. It's painfully obvious that *most* football watchers only rate someone once they've stepped into the limelight and are unable to make a considered judgement until there is a consensus on the matter. He is getting better and better, and like Mourinho has said, if he adds a little bit more to his game he will be fantastic.

Just about every player loses the ball more than they perform a successful dribble. He was substituted because he has been playing a lot recently.

Regarding that last sentence, youre absolutely bang on. Every player of his ilk loses the ball, any attacking midfielder/winger. Its the nature of their play, and Willian is no worse than any of them, and actually creates quite a lot of chances with his final play. I think he is essential to our style at the moment, as he wins the ball so high up the pitch so often meaning we transition from defence to attack in a position that can catches the opposition out of position defensively. His pace and energy is incredible, I would bet the majority of fans of other top teams would love him in their side.

Please don't play him against teams who park the bus I mean seriously he should be nowhere near the team against them. He doesn't have the creativity nor the killer instinct in front of goal to capitalize the best chance. He's just a workhorse with pace.

 

I mean seriously 32 f**king million pounds for an attacking winger we can't score nor assist, but just runs, runs, and runs THATS IT. We have Ramires sitting in f**king bench for that. I can bet even Ramires would be far more effective than him in final third.

 

We should play Schurrle than him, I know he's bit off form right now, but I still think If he have got the chances Willian has got now he'll prove to be much more decisive than him plus he's 3 years younger and he's only going to improve unlike Willian who is already at 26.

Schurrle's w**k unfortunately, he's useful as a sub but that 's about it.

So were just ignoring the way Willian has been instrumental in winning several games this season and has created quite a few chances for others?

So were just ignoring the way Willian has been instrumental in winning several games this season and has created quite a few chances for others?

 

Why would you bring in facts into this?

 

So were just ignoring the way Willian has been instrumental in winning several games this season and has created quite a few chances for others?

 

Schalke, Maribor...Villa? Are these the games he's been instrumental in us winning? Am I missing any?

He's a glorified Ramires who has never been a prolific scorer or creator and at 26 years old is exactly the player he's going to be. 

 

Or am I wrong?

I remember his scoring record in the Russian league was about goal every 10 games, we knew what to expect when we signed him. He really need to put more shots on target, it drives me nuts to see his beautiful curving shot whistle past the post every time. 

As the above poster said. We knew what we were getting when he signed (if you did your homework). He was never prolific.

Willian should start when we play teams who attack us. Schurrle is better against the bus.

The comparisons to Ramires are harsh.

 

Willian is a much better player than him and his work rate is one of the best in the team but it's his finishing touch that has been his weakness for many years and this was yet again on display against Newcastle on Saturday. If he could improve his shooting then he's practically a certain starter every week with little weakness to show for it.

I'm not sure you can argue that Hazard is much better. from his 7 goals in all competitions this season 3 of them are penalty's. 4 goals in from open play and 1 assist is not that impressive. 

I'd take a guess that he has had more game time then Willian and he had better chances then Willian on saturday, one great oportunity to put costa in when instead he chose to spoon the ball wide. Yet Eden doesn't get the grief of Willian (or oscar for that matter). I personally feel that ALL of our attacking mid's should be chiming in with more goals and ALL of them seem very flashy on the ball but need to be more leathal in decision making AND execution in the final 3rd. Also, none of the 3  (oscar, willian and eden) seem to like making runs  in to the box, On willian's side you can argue he spends a lot of time covering for the marording Ivan. All off them our guilty of playing he ball, standing still and asking for it back. Against the more stubborn defences we will need more than just costa making a run. It will make the passers job much easier if he has 3 or 4 options all on the move making runs in the box and pulling defenders out of position.

 

This is why, for me,  Robben Duff and Cole where all better than the current crop, more often than not they punished teams when through and all of them had great movement of the ball. 

As the above poster said. We knew what we were getting when he signed (if you did your homework). He was never prolific.

guess some people assumed that playing in a better team would give him more chances to score

The comparisons to Ramires are harsh.

 

Willian is a much better player than him and his work rate is one of the best in the team but it's his finishing touch that has been his weakness for many years and this was yet again on display against Newcastle on Saturday. If he could improve his shooting then he's practically a certain starter every week with little weakness to show for it.

 

Ramires is a decent player so it's not that harsh. Willian has a better first touch (and second and third too) but that's about it. He doesn't score prolifically and his vision in the final third really isn't anything special.

 

Bear in mind he cost the same as Sanchez at Arsenal.

 

I'm not sure you can argue that Hazard is much better. from his 7 goals in all competitions this season 3 of them are penalty's. 4 goals in from open play and 1 assist is not that impressive. 

 

I'd take a guess that he has had more game time then Willian and he had better chances then Willian on saturday, one great oportunity to put costa in when instead he chose to spoon the ball wide. Yet Eden doesn't get the grief of Willian (or oscar for that matter). I personally feel that ALL of our attacking mid's should be chiming in with more goals and ALL of them seem very flashy on the ball but need to be more leathal in decision making AND execution in the final 3rd. Also, none of the 3  (oscar, willian and eden) seem to like making runs  in to the box, On willian's side you can argue he spends a lot of time covering for the marording Ivan. All off them our guilty of playing he ball, standing still and asking for it back. Against the more stubborn defences we will need more than just costa making a run. It will make the passers job much easier if he has 3 or 4 options all on the move making runs in the box and pulling defenders out of position.

 

 

This is why, for me,  Robben Duff and Cole where all better than the current crop, more often than not they punished teams when through and all of them had great movement of the ball. 

 

Yeah I agree Hazard's output in terms of goal and assists has been below average this season from what we have expected. 

 

But the thing is you just simply can't compare him to Willian. He's(Hazard) our most dangerous attacking threat even if he's not scoring. Whenever he has the ball he is able to create a moment of magic and can be decisive. On the other hand Willian, even if he has the ball in the final third with 1 or two defenders you wouldn't expect him to do anything. That's how bad he is. He's simply a run machine who just runs runs and runs and do defensive work. I mean seriously if we wanted a player who just simply runs runs and runs we already have f**king Ramires. 

 

Compare him to Alexis Sanchez who cost about 3-4m more but is twice the player he is.... and he has been even better than Hazard.

 

A 32million pounds winger should contribute way more in final third than what he currently does and should be decisive enough to win matches on his own. 

 

If he had scored that chance we probably would have won but meh.

 

I know I being too harsh on him but I think the criticism on him is fair given his price tag.

 

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I'm not sure you can argue that Hazard is much better. from his 7 goals in all competitions this season 3 of them are penalty's. 4 goals in from open play and 1 assist is not that impressive. 

 

 

You could easily argue that. His total number of goals in the first 13 league games this season is more than Willian scored all of last season. On his day he's the driving force between most of the good things we do. It was his moment of genius that unlocked Arsenal and won us the penalty which he despatched. 

 

On his day he's our best player and a match winner. Willian has done that once maybe (West Ham home last season)? 

 

Yes he absolutely has to be more consistent but he's so much more important to this club than Willian that it's hardly worth discussing.

The thing with willian is yeah he doesn't score many but actually his shooting isn't that bad, there always good shots that nearly go in his shots are never miles over. A lot of schurrle shots are wide and over yet he scores more than willian but takes more shots. The potential for willian to score more goals are there I remeber that cracking shot he had against Maribor that hit the bar.

Can Willian just f**k off already from our first XI already? I mean he has already got soo many chances to prove himself and he hasn't even done ANYTHING to cement his place.

That guy can only run and defend. THATS IT. He's isn't creative, nor can assist or score, nor can take set pieces, nor can take FK's.

 

His performance are not improving at ALL. He has already played 21 games and more than 1,200 minutes... and just has 2 goals and 1 assists to his name.

 

He has just cost 12m less than Ozil, and if Ozil is considered as flop he's also a flop than Ozil is. The only reason he doesn't come into same criticism because of his defending and workrate. 

 

No please don't defend him by saying his workrate is incredible and such. I know it is, but the thing is he is a goddamn winger/AMF and his attacking contribution is even worse than a defender. I mean John Terry has 1 more assist than him and equal goals as him.

 

I hope Schurrle improves his fitness fast , I really want him to start over Willian.

Willian apologists are like Mikel apologists, people with incredibly low and narrow expectations of a footballer at this level..... 

Can Willian just f**k off already from our first XI already? I mean he has already got soo many chances to prove himself and he hasn't even done ANYTHING to cement his place.

That guy can only run and defend. THATS IT. He's isn't creative, nor can assist or score, nor can take set pieces, nor can take FK's.

 

His performance are not improving at ALL. He has already played 21 games and more than 1,200 minutes... and just has 2 goals and 1 assists to his name.

 

He has just cost 12m less than Ozil, and if Ozil is considered as flop he's also a flop than Ozil is. The only reason he doesn't come into same criticism because of his defending and workrate. 

 

No please don't defend him by saying his workrate is incredible and such. I know it is, but the thing is he is a goddamn winger/AMF and his attacking contribution is even worse than a defender. I mean John Terry has 1 more assist than him and equal goals as him.

 

I hope Schurrle improves his fitness fast , I really want him to start over Willian.

Such an over reaction, it's a team game and he works well in the team. Everyone knows his output should be better but Schurrle is far less consistent. He can be direct and add more attacking threat but he can also be selfish, get in the same positions as the striker and can't take players on like Willian can. Willian on the right can cover for Ivan very well who loves to get forward that area would be so exposed and easy to target with Schurrle there, I like Schurrle dispute what I've said it's just Willain gets a hard time I feel.

I wholly disagree. And this is not an overreaction.  Ramires can very well play the role Willian plays albiet with erratic passing yeah but Ramires still has better output than Willian despite playing 1/3rd of his time (2 goals 3 assits compared to Willians 2 goals 1 assists). If we wanted a player who can play the way Willian plays I mean giving cover to their Full backs and and run whole game with pace... then we already have RAMIRES for that!! Then why spend 30millions on him!

 

You just can't defend a 30million pounds attacking winger because of his defensive skills which should definitely not be his main assets.

Schurrle maybe inconsistent but still I have much much more faith in him scoring and breaking a deadlock than Willian. Schurrle has killer instinct, has better movement, finishing, can take good FK's.

Yeah he's been struggling recently because of fitness issues yeah but he's getting better.

 

 30m pounds can get you world class players like  Eden Hazard, Costa, Alexis Sanchez, Marco Reus, Mehdi Benatia, Cesc Fabregas, Toni Kroos, etc. who all can win matches in their own and here we got a bang average Willian yay.

 

And it's a pretty good way to defend Willian by saying he's a good cover because Ivanovic loves to bomb forward.

Such an over reaction, it's a team game and he works well in the team. Everyone knows his output should be better but Schurrle is far less consistent. He can be direct and add more attacking threat but he can also be selfish, get in the same positions as the striker and can't take players on like Willian can. Willian on the right can cover for Ivan very well who loves to get forward that area would be so exposed and easy to target with Schurrle there, I like Schurrle dispute what I've said it's just Willain gets a hard time I feel.

 

Both Willian and Shurrle have not been good enough, if we want to improve against defending teams I would look for atleast one replacement to be honest. 

 

I also think Willians defensive praise is overrated. Against Hull I saw him give up on several of his defensive runs, he did the same thing when Newcastle scored their first goal against us. Shurrle did more as a first defender today in 10 minutes, when he won the ball high up the pitch and almost scored.

He was rubbish today BUT some of the stick he's got is very much undeserved, i agree his goalscoring record isn't good enough but he's a very important player for our system, there's a reason why Jose starts him nearly every week and leaves Schurrle and Salah on the bench.