1 minute ago, Osgood is Good said:

I am sorry, but there is no comparison, between watching on television and a 'live' match. A televised match only allows you to watch what the camera wants you to see.

A run of the forward, a mistake of a defender (positional or something else) is as much visible on TV as with someone in the live game. The analysis done by a manager/coach will be after going through the TV replays again and again, rather than their first impressions while watching live. 

Saying that someone's point about selling Ake or about a certain forward being a total knob is invalid because he watches matches on the TV rather than live, is simply... Not saying this to you but whoever its related to. 

17 minutes ago, didierforever said:

A run of the forward, a mistake of a defender (positional or something else) is as much visible on TV as with someone in the live game. The analysis done by a manager/coach will be after going through the TV replays again and again, rather than their first impressions while watching live. 

Saying that someone's point about selling Ake or about a certain forward being a total knob is invalid because he watches matches on the TV rather than live, is simply... Not saying this to you but whoever its related to. 

I understand your valid point in regards to replays, however in my humble opinion, televised matches do not offer the whole aspect of the match. Watching live is a completely different experience.

1 hour ago, didierforever said:

.................some misguided nonsense................................. The analysis done by a manager/coach will be after going through the TV replays again and again, using the many angles of the action most of which do not get shown on television, PLUS all of the club's cameras that are specifically filming areas, individual players, off-the ball actions and general tactical layouts, none of which get shown to you, rather than their first impressions while watching live. AVB, for example, had a camera on each player throughout the entire match, and an analysis team to review these.

....................some other nonsense

There, I corrected your simplistic point for you.  That, amongst many other reasons, is why you sitting at home or down the pub watching what the Sky director chooses to show you does not give you the experience or insight that being at a match does.  You can argue the point as much as you like, but I doubt that you will find another poster in here or anywhere else who agrees with you.

1 hour ago, Osgood is Good said:

I understand your valid point in regards to replays, however in my humble opinion, televised matches do not offer the whole aspect of the match. Watching live is a completely different experience.

Totally agree on the "experience" part of it.

Antoine scoring a last minute winner against rostov sent me into a frenzy. Probably the most memorable moments, BUT undermining someone's opinion because they don't watch live has got to be the most shallow opinions (just a couple of posters' opinions I hope)

39 minutes ago, didierforever said:

Totally agree on the "experience" part of it.

Antoine scoring a last minute winner against rostov sent me into a frenzy. Probably the most memorable moments, BUT undermining someone's opinion because they don't watch live has got to be the most shallow opinions (just a couple of posters' opinions I hope)

The experience is only part of it, what you do not get to see on television is the whole aspect of the match, i.e players making runs off the ball, tussles between players off the ball etc. etc.

Watching on television is like watching 1 square out of 4 squares available IMHO.

Edited July 17, 20179 yr by Osgood is Good

3 hours ago, didierforever said:

A run of the forward, a mistake of a defender (positional or something else) is as much visible on TV as with someone in the live game. The analysis done by a manager/coach will be after going through the TV replays again and again, rather than their first impressions while watching live. 

Saying that someone's point about selling Ake or about a certain forward being a total knob is invalid because he watches matches on the TV rather than live, is simply... Not saying this to you but whoever its related to. 

With regards managers using tv/sky footage to analyse performances.

I know a lot of the top sides use specialist systems and companies to provide data and footage for analysis. It's much easier to analyse team shape, player movement ect, from a full view of the pitch. 

 

4 hours ago, didierforever said:

A run of the forward, a mistake of a defender (positional or something else) is as much visible on TV as with someone in the live game. The analysis done by a manager/coach will be after going through the TV replays again and again, rather than their first impressions while watching live. 

Saying that someone's point about selling Ake or about a certain forward being a total knob is invalid because he watches matches on the TV rather than live, is simply... Not saying this to you but whoever its related to. 

You do realise that conte doesn't watch sky sports replays don't you, you complete bellend, the replays they watch are filmed especially for that purpose, the whole thread is telling you that you're wrong and you just can't bring yourself to admit it, disgusting attribute to have to be that emmersed in arrogance.

Again goes to my initial run in with you, there are things about football you can't learn online from India, that's not racist that's a reality of location.

Until you accept that and listen to some of the people on here that have been around the game, don't listen to me, I'm not an expert, but there are some knowledgeable people on here learn instead of being an arrogant little prat. 

1 hour ago, Osgood is Good said:

The experience is only part of it, what you do not get to see on television is the whole aspect of the match, i.e players making runs off the ball, tussles between players off the ball etc. etc.

Watching on television is like watching 1 square out of 4 squares available IMHO.

No way for me to prove it, but I would guess majority of the time any live/tv viewer's eyes follow the ball. A run of the forward is as much on the peripheral of a tv screen as on a live match viewer.

Again, my qualm is simply with the fact- what has tv viewing got to do with Ake's potential. There are a couple of "fans" on the forum who simply want an upper hand in any conversation/argument/debate "just" because they watch matches live which is seriously the most stupid thing I have heard. Most importantly such people don't really have many points saying things like 

1. No youth players have come through an elite team in the last decade (busquets, kroos, alaba, muller etc)

or 

2. These players were world class youth players yet not recognising that busquets was no where near world class when he replaced yaya for barca

the list is inexhaustible for examples of such kind. And when you point out the error in their argument, they take out the live match viewer/local supporter argument.

anyways, I have such fans on ignore now, and while I do understand your point that live match gives a bit more perspective, I have to reiterate my point that just because someone is watching a game live, does not automatically give him/Her a better understanding of the game. 

Edited July 17, 20179 yr by didierforever

Totally unrelated to the discussion but:

http://amp.sportsmole.co.uk/football/chelsea/transfer-talk/news/report-matic-agrees-juventus-deal_302893.html

Claims that Matic has agreed a deal with Juve just need Chelsea to lower the price.

If we're gonna lower the price, the I'd like it that we get a clause inserted into A. Sandro's new contract for first-refusal. It's a dream tho 

12 hours ago, didierforever said:

No way for me to prove it, but I would guess majority of the time any live/tv viewer's eyes follow the ball. A run of the forward is as much on the peripheral of a tv screen as on a live match viewer.

Again, my qualm is simply with the fact- what has tv viewing got to do with Ake's potential. There are a couple of "fans" on the forum who simply want an upper hand in any conversation/argument/debate "just" because they watch matches live which is seriously the most stupid thing I have heard. Most importantly such people don't really have many points saying things like 

1. No youth players have come through an elite team in the last decade (busquets, kroos, alaba, muller etc)

or 

2. These players were world class youth players yet not recognising that busquets was no where near world class when he replaced yaya for barca

the list is inexhaustible for examples of such kind. And when you point out the error in their argument, they take out the live match viewer/local supporter argument.

anyways, I have such fans on ignore now, and while I do understand your point that live match gives a bit more perspective, I have to reiterate my point that just because someone is watching a game live, does not automatically give him/Her a better understanding of the game. 

Watching live is certainly better than watching on TV if you're only going to view the game once. There's no question in my mind though that watching tape or replays is the best way to judge a player or team if you want to sit down and analyze a match. I'm not sure which you're referring to but as a one off being there live can't be beaten

15 hours ago, Osgood is Good said:

The experience is only part of it, what you do not get to see on television is the whole aspect of the match, i.e players making runs off the ball, tussles between players off the ball etc. etc.

Watching on television is like watching 1 square out of 4 squares available IMHO.

Could not agree more. Only ever realized how frustrating a player JFH was after i saw him live. It is impossible to see even half the work players are doing or not doing on TV for me. You see the action zone, you see what the professionals want you to see. BUt you can't see anything of the ball. Most people think abotu strikers but what about the defenders holding the line, tracking players unrelated to the play at that time. 

4 hours ago, barak81 said:

Could not agree more. Only ever realized how frustrating a player JFH was after i saw him live. It is impossible to see even half the work players are doing or not doing on TV for me. You see the action zone, you see what the professionals want you to see. BUt you can't see anything of the ball. Most people think abotu strikers but what about the defenders holding the line, tracking players unrelated to the play at that time. 

It's pretty obvious to anyone with a clue why watching live or whole game aspect is more important even in replays they watch at times the whole game aspect, a birds eye view wouldn't make good action viewing for sky.

Matches look more Hollywood on tv but live like you said you see what the rest of the players off the ball are doing, getting back into shape, running in the passing channels to stop passes, marking, holding the line, you see none of that on the tele except in flashes.

It doesn't matter what you tell some people even when they know they are wrong they will still argue, a player like Costa especially should be seen live then this half season bollox would be put bed, even when he isn't playing his best watch what he is doing off the ball, it's the best part of his game.

it amazes me that someone thought Conte sits down with sky sports footage and analyses matches 

5 hours ago, barak81 said:

Could not agree more. Only ever realized how frustrating a player JFH was after i saw him live. It is impossible to see even half the work players are doing or not doing on TV for me. You see the action zone, you see what the professionals want you to see. BUt you can't see anything of the ball. Most people think abotu strikers but what about the defenders holding the line, tracking players unrelated to the play at that time. 

It was always great fun watching jimmy and eidur together, Jimmy basically standing still with eidur running around desperate hunting for space. No wonder Jimmy said he was his favourite striking partner, he did all his work ha ha...

19 minutes ago, DonAntonio said:

It's pretty obvious to anyone with a clue why watching live or whole game aspect is more important even in replays they watch at times the whole game aspect, a birds eye view wouldn't make good action viewing for sky.

Matches look more Hollywood on tv but live like you said you see what the rest of the players off the ball are doing, getting back into shape, running in the passing channels to stop passes, marking, holding the line, you see none of that on the tele except in flashes.

It doesn't matter what you tell some people even when they know they are wrong they will still argue, a player like Costa especially should be seen live then this half season bollox would be put bed, even when he isn't playing his best watch what he is doing off the ball, it's the best part of his game.

it amazes me that someone thought Conte sits down with sky sports footage and analyses matches 

You don't think Conte and his coaching team analysis matches with videos after the game?

Its proven Costa is a half season player, just look at the last 3 years. Would be worry if Chelsea was in the champions league. You don't need to be live at the games to see Costa get in the way of attacks, lose the ball, lose the ball when dribbling and lose most of his general interest in Chelsea since January. You can just pay for Sky to know that.

6 hours ago, TheChelseaBlues said:

Watching live is certainly better than watching on TV if you're only going to view the game once. There's no question in my mind though that watching tape or replays is the best way to judge a player or team if you want to sit down and analyze a match. I'm not sure which you're referring to but as a one off being there live can't be beaten

But then someone thinks it's amazing if Conte watches any videos.

5 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

You don't think Conte and his coaching team analysis matches with videos after the game?

Its proven Costa is a half season player, just look at the last 3 years. Would be worry if Chelsea was in the champions league. You don't need to be live at the games to see Costa get in the way of attacks, lose the ball, lose the ball when dribbling and lose most of his general interest in Chelsea since January. You can just pay for Sky to know that.

 

3 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

But then someone thinks it's amazing if Conte watches any videos.

Nobody said anything of the sort.  What was said is that Conte will not just be relying on the Sky broadcast as shown on the telly.  The backroom team will be watching an incredible amount of footage for every match.  What some twat said was that you could get as good an understanding of how a match played out from just the Sky broadcast as you could from actually being at the match and being able to see all of the players and all of the pitch not just the bits that the Sky director chose to show.

1 hour ago, Ernie_blue said:

But then someone thinks it's amazing if Conte watches any videos.

I think you're being a bit of a knob while not reading what I wrote, did you miss the bit where I said they watch special footage allowing them to see more aspects of the game? So yes the team have specialist footage provided by third party companies which allows them to look for deeper analysis, otherwise he would have to fast forward the bits with Souness with his face tripping him and the adverts for M and S roast beef, and as we all know that can really derail the analysis. 

2 minutes ago, DonAntonio said:

I think you're being a bit of a knob while not reading what I wrote,

 

21 hours ago, DonAntonio said:

You do realise that conte doesn't watch sky sports replays don't you, you complete bellend,

 

Can't you have an argument without reverting to personal insults, do yourself a favour and try it out.

1 minute ago, coco said:

 

 

Can't you have an argument without reverting to personal insults, do yourself a favour and try it out.

Still trying to learn where the acceptable line is I suppose, make a sarcy, belittling comment ok, saying doing that is a bit of a knob move not ok? I'll certainly work on the delivery because where I think you're correct is passive aggressive people get away with murder whereas shorter fused upfront people always get landed in it, no matter how honest their intentions may be, good tip. 

12 minutes ago, DonAntonio said:

I think you're being a bit of a knob while not reading what I wrote, did you miss the bit where I said they watch special footage allowing them to see more aspects of the game? So yes the team have specialist footage provided by third party companies which allows them to look for deeper analysis, otherwise he would have to fast forward the bits with Souness with his face tripping him and the adverts for M and S roast beef, and as we all know that can really derail the analysis. 

Wtf is wrong with you. Everytime I come on this forum you are attacking and insulting people. There is no need for it. Sourness talks a lot more sense than you.

11 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

Wtf is wrong with you. Everytime I come on this forum you are attacking and insulting people. There is no need for it. Sourness talks a lot more sense than you.

Ahhhh don't go jumping on the bandwagon because coco reprimanded my colourful phraseology.

I only ever insult your Indian pal who is horrifically arrogant, and he started it.

I think we are trying to turn the tide from a guy being dead wrong and can't admit it and you making silly comments to my naughty behaviour, there is a mod for that he did his job, you're transparent mate.

Edited July 18, 20179 yr by DonAntonio

1 minute ago, DonAntonio said:

Ahhhh don't go jumping on the bandwagon because coco reprimanded my colourful phraseology.

I only ever insult your Indian pal who is horrifically arrogant, and he started it.

As for you, you tried to have a go at me on another thread 5 minutes ago because a guy who looked vaguely like pedro was playing a miniature guitar while Costa was being a prat and I said sack pedro too look at him stirring with his guitar....

At which point you gave me a whole dressing down about why pedro shouldn't be in bother....maybe scratch the surface and have a bit of a better look before commenting and telling people off.

I wasn't having a go but found it rather odd you was trying to compare Pedro to what Costa has done or simply find an excuse. I was actually going to call you out on it earlier but I know I would have received a message of the mods telling me to let them do their jobs. Had enough experience of this forum. Once you name call me that's a different story. 

I don't even know who this Indian pal of mine is. 

I wouldn't let anyone call me a knob in real life let alone on here.

 

1 minute ago, Ernie_blue said:

I wasn't having a go but found it rather odd you was trying to compare Pedro to what Costa has done or simply find an excuse. I was actually going to call you out on it earlier but I know I would have received a message of the mods telling me to let them do their jobs. Had enough experience of this forum. Once you name call me that's a different story. 

I don't even know who this Indian pal of mine is. 

I wouldn't let anyone call me a knob in real life let alone on here.

 

Alright mate I'm sure you're hard as coffin nails but try reading what's written before going off, it was clearly not pedro playing the guitar wake up would you it was a joke and I never said anything of the sort that the coaching staff do t watch footage, I said the opposite so that's 2 unnecessary confrontations you owe me, before that never said a word to you pal. 

4 minutes ago, DonAntonio said:

Alright mate I'm sure you're hard as coffin nails but try reading what's written before going off, it was clearly not pedro playing the guitar wake up would you it was a joke and I never said anything of the sort that the coaching staff do t watch footage, I said the opposite so that's 2 unnecessary confrontations you owe me, before that never said a word to you pal. 

Nah I'm weak as piss but just something I wouldn't accept that's all. I admit I got it wrong by just reading you're reply and not the whole conversation.

and then peace and love abounded.  It's too 'kin hot for girly squabbling, anyway!