they've won everything, their history is amazing and arguably the most legit club in europe.

Wait, I thought that was Liverpool? I mean that's all they cry about these days.

go and read dortmunds wikipedia mate.

 

they've won everything, their history is amazing and arguably the most legit club in europe.

 

ffs they beat juve in 97 to win cl after back to back league titles (the juve team with zidane and del peiro)

 

They are a massive club, obviously. But Bayern Munich are bigger, and in the Bundesliga that is the be all and end all. Ultimately, Bayern will prevail, even if one of their competitors has a successful period for a year or two.

 

Klopp would be great for City, I think. He is a great man manager, sound tactically and also astute in the transfer market. In short, he's everything that the Engineer is not. He's rebuilt Dortmund's squad several times having lost key players which is what he would have to do at City this Summer too. I also think he'd be breath of fresh air for the PL and good for English football overall.

It's going to be either City or Arsenal for Jurgen Klopp.

Klopp in the premier league will be very interesting. Don't see Wenger leaving yet. Neither Van Gaal. Realistically only City, Madrid, Psg and Barca are options. I think he would be a great manager wherever he goes. His football is based on a fluid attacking system.

I can see some of his players following him too, Reus and Hummels would be great assets wherever they go and would in the majority of teams be automatic starters. Even Gundogan if he can find his 2011-13 form would be amazing. Very similar to Fabregas but more defensively capable and pacier. Was a player I would have loved for Chelsea to sign a few seasons ago.

go and read dortmunds wikipedia mate.

 

they've won everything, their history is amazing and arguably the most legit club in europe.

 

ffs they beat juve in 97 to win cl after back to back league titles (the juve team with zidane and del peiro)

 

Don't 

 

if we compare clubs by wealth then man city and psg are the biggest clubs in the world in front of madrid and barca

 

if its how much money they generate then i presume real/barca

 

if its trophys....

 

cumon boys this is silly lol

 

Bayern have won 24 league titles to Dortmund's 8.

 

They've won the CL 5 times.

 

You can't compare trophies.

Article about the Bradford Fire Disaster. Horrible if true.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/15/bradford-fire-stafford-heginbotham-martin-fletcher

 

Revealed: former Bradford chairman linked to at least eight fires before Valley Parade disaster
• Book reveals extraordinary history of Stafford Heginbotham’s businesses
• New evidence emerges 30 years after blaze that killed 56 football fans
• Martin Fletcher: ‘Maybe the reason I am here is to – finally – reveal the truth’
• Extract: ‘Could any man really be as unlucky as Stafford Heginbotham?’
Football Stadium Fire

Daniel Taylor
@DTguardian

Wednesday 15 April 2015 14.09 BST Last modified on Wednesday 15 April 
The blaze that killed 56 football fans at Bradford City’s Valley Parade ground in 1985 was just one of at least nine fires at businesses owned by or associated with the club’s then chairman, according to extraordinary evidence published for the first time.

The revelations are contained in a book written by Martin Fletcher, a Bradford fan who lost three generations of his family in the stadium fire. Fletcher believes the fire was not an accident and says he and his family are no longer willing to “live the myth”.

Fletcher managed to escape after the timber main stand at Valley Parade turned into a death trap during Bradford’s game against Lincoln City on 11 May 1985. His brother, Andrew, 11, was the youngest victim and his father John, 34, uncle Peter, 32, and grandfather Eddie, 63, all perished. Martin Fletcher, who was 12 at the time, has spent the past 15 years investigating what happened and his book, Fifty-Six – The Story of the Bradford Fire, is published on Thursday 16 April.

The book, serialised by the Guardian today and tomorrow, reveals there had been at least eight other fires at business premises either owned by, or connected to, Stafford Heginbotham, Bradford’s then-chairman, in the previous 18 years, resulting in huge insurance claims. Fletcher does not make any direct allegations but he does believe Heginbotham’s history with fires, resulting in payouts of around £27m in today’s terms, warranted further investigation. “Could any man really be as unlucky as Heginbotham had been?” he asks.

The disaster at Valley Parade came at a time, according to Fletcher’s evidence, when the businessman was in desperate financial trouble, unable to pay his workforce beyond that month. Heginbotham had learned two days before the fire it would cost £2m to bring the ground up to safety standards required by Bradford’s promotion from the old Third Division that season. Yet this has never been reported and did not feature in the Popplewell Inquiry, chaired by the then high court judge Oliver Popplewell, which held its investigation only three weeks after the fire.
Bradford City chairman Stafford Heginbotham, left, with Mr Justice Popplewell, at Valley Parade after the disaster. Bradford City chairman Stafford Heginbotham, left, with Mr Justice Popplewell, at Valley Parade after the disaster. Photograph: PA/PA Archive/Press Association Images

The inquiry heard only five days of testimony and concluded the fire was probably started by a match, a cigarette or pipe tobacco slipping through gaps in the floorboards on to litter that had built up over the previous 20 years. Fletcher does not accept that version and quotes a report by the Fire Research Station, a government-funded body, that “features of the Bradford fire required a detail of understanding greater than that presented to the formal inquiry”.

Fletcher’s evidence was collected through months of painstaking research into Heginbotham’s business history and by trawling 20 years of local newspaper reports into fires in the Bradford area.

The pattern began with a fire at a three-storey Bradford factory in May 1967 and continued on Good Friday 1968 with another fire at the premises of Genefoam, of which Heginbotham was the managing director. A firm Heginbotham had founded suffered a serious fire in 1970 before the Castle Mills building, owned by Heginbotham, had a fire in 1971. Further blazes followed at the Douglas Mills building, also owned by Heginbotham, in August and November 1977. In December that year there was a fire at the premises of Coronet Marketing, a subsidiary of Heginbotham’s Tebro Toys. A further fire at the Douglas Mills building occurred in June 1981.
1) May 1967: fire in Stafford Heginbotham’s factory at three-storey Cutler Heights Lane, Bradford
2) April 1968: fire at Genefoam Ltd, managing director Stafford Heginbotham, Cutler Heights Lane
3) August 1970: store-room explosion at Matgoods, founded by Heginbotham, in Wyke, Bradford
4) December 1971: tenant fire at Castle Mills building, Cleckheaton, owned by Heginbotham
5) August 1977: fire at Yorkshire Knitting Mills, in Heginbotham-owned Douglas Mills building, Bradford
6) December 1977: fire at four-story Coronet Marketing factory, Leeds Road, Bradford. Coronet Marketing a subsidiary of Tebro Toys, owned by Heginbotham
7) November 1977: fire with toxic fumes at Douglas Mills factory
8) June 1981: fire in plastics factory at Heginbotham-owned Douglas Mills

Heginbotham died in 1995, aged 61, and was never prosecuted for the Valley Parade fire, despite the coroner later saying he had given serious consideration to bringing a charge of manslaughter. Bradford City had received three separate warnings about the potential fire risk, two from the Health and Safety Executive and another from the council, but did nothing. Fletcher’s book reveals how Heginbotham initially denied seeing the council’s letter before repeatedly changing his story when it became clear this was not true. The author has told the Guardian it was a “litany of lies”.

Of Heginbotham’s history with fires, Fletcher writes: “To quote a Los Angeles Police Department fire investigator in Blaze, the Forensics of Fire by Nicholas Faith: ‘It’s rare to have a coincidence. If we start having multiple coincidences then it’s not a coincidence.’ It is clear to me that at Bradford, with Stafford Heginbotham in charge, there was a mountain of coincidence.”
Bradford City fire survivor Martin Fletcher.
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Bradford City fire survivor Martin Fletcher. Photograph: Linda Nylind for the Guardian

Once dubbed “the bravest boy in Britain”, Fletcher is the only survivor to publicly challenge the official inquiry, describing it as wholly inadequate and saying it took place far too close to the event. His family expected a fuller investigation to follow and he says his determination to find out “the truth” stems initially from a conversation with his mother, Susan, when he was 21.

“I never believed it was an accident and I never will,” she told him. “I don’t think Stafford intended for people to die. But people did. All because he went back to the one thing he knew best that would get him out of trouble.”

When Susan Fletcher brought a civil case against the club and West Yorkshire county council, meaning 110 bereaved or injured people would have their compensation claims met, she received a series of anonymous late-night telephone calls, including death threats against Martin, then 14, and the warning “nobody beats Bradford City”. The grieving mother and son temporarily had to move out of their house to live in a hotel. Martin was taken out of school until it was considered safe to return.

Fletcher’s book is released on 16 April, nine days before a minute’s silence is held at every Premier League and Football League match to mark the forthcoming 30th anniversary.

“I’m not living a lie any more,” Fletcher said. “I’m not living someone else’s half-truth. I’m not living the myth. Bradford City on the day of the fire were sponsored by the council and across the shirt the slogan was ‘Bradford myth-breakers’. Well, there are a lot of myths that need to be broken.”
 

go and read dortmunds wikipedia mate.

they've won everything, their history is amazing and arguably the most legit club in europe.

ffs they beat juve in 97 to win cl after back to back league titles (the juve team with zidane and del peiro)

They are not historically anywhere near the level of Bayern Munich.

FFS so what? They won a champions league sure but that doesn't make them as big as Bayern. Are we really using Wikipedia to win arguments now aswell?

It's going to be either City or Arsenal for Jurgen Klopp.

 

It won't be Arsenal, Wenger won't be going anywhere anytime soon.

 

I think he's definitely going to City.

Not unhappy about this, i'd have rather they got stuck with Pellegrino for another season but this is preferable to them getting Simeone who would actually be a legitimate challenger to Jose.

They are not historically anywhere near the level of Bayern Munich.

FFS so what? They won a champions league sure but that doesn't make them as big as Bayern. Are we really using Wikipedia to win arguments now aswell?

 

my point was that klopp isnt a genius for getting dortmund to titles etc because the club has a long history at the top and very well placed.

 

you talk like he won the leagues with i dunno, crawley!

 

klopp basically said selling players was one motivation for him leaving and in that sense you could also question if the players that have done so well were even his picks or club signings in the first place which he then put together etc.

 

for me what he did there was fantastic regardless but he's no where near jose, pep maybe even simeone etc.

 

plus dortmund like previously mentioned were already in a great situation long before.

 

i would also say that dortmund are far superior to bayern in how they are run etc.

 

how can anyone class him so good when he almost got them relegated? 

 

much to prove...

Ajax won it 3 times in a row in the early 70s :)

 

and are the best/biggest in their respective league....

Klopp to Real, and Ancelotti to City?

Wait, I thought that was Liverpool? I mean that's all they cry about these days.

 

lol so harsh to compare dortmund with that mob, jeez

Klopp to Real, and Ancelotti to City?

 

because hes the best in the world i presume? lulz

my point was that klopp isnt a genius for getting dortmund to titles etc because the club has a long history at the top and very well placed.

 

Dortmund have won eight league titles in 100 years and Klopp won 25% of those. They've had success over the years, and also lots of lean spells where they didn't win anything. You talk as if managing Dortmund is virtually guaranteed success. Let's see how long it is before they win back to back titles and reach a CL final again.

 

 

i take it all back, genius!

Edited April 15, 201511 yr by Bigthrobberus

Dortmund have won eight league titles in 100 years and Klopp won 25% of those. They've had success over the years, and also lots of lean spells where they didn't win anything. You talk as if managing Dortmund is virtually guaranteed success. Let's see how long it is before they win back to back titles and reach a CL final again.

 

Exactly. Dortmund won 1 title and 1 Uefa Cup between their CL victory and the Klopp era.

Edited April 15, 201511 yr by Celery1989

Dortmund have won eight league titles in 100 years and Klopp won 25% of those. They've had success over the years, and also lots of lean spells where they didn't win anything. You talk as if managing Dortmund is virtually guaranteed success. Let's see how long it is before they win back to back titles and reach a CL final again.

 

in one way it is, like all top jobs for managers, i guess we would be here all day arguing if its simply right place right time orrr purely all down to klopp aka yoda

 

i guess the next job will be the best way to judge, even though i said i think hes good just not a messiah :p

Exactly. Dortmund won 1 title and 1 Uefa Cup between their CL victory and the Klopp era.

 

still more than loads of clubs in germany. 

cant find a relative thread but,

 

Shout out to Bristol city - first promotion of the season,  6-0 win to seal it against BRADFORD, impressive from steve cotterill.

 

Promoted they might be, they are still pikeys.

I don't agree on that, he leaped to get the ball and caught him. It happens.

 

Ramos generated enough power to split Mandzukic's head open. I will agree to disagree. IMHO it was a reckless challenge & especially since it was in the box.

Safe bet, Klopp to city

Risky bet, Wenger to city to complete their purchase of everything arsenal, Klopp to arsenal.

so what you think of this incident

or this one

Promoted they might be, they are still pikeys.

 

bristol is a nice place, wtf kind of statement is that? lol what has happened to this place, knives out every turn nowadays

Safe bet, Klopp to city

Risky bet, Wenger to city to complete their purchase of everything arsenal, Klopp to arsenal.

 

any tips for carlos possible replacement?

 

looks like the managerial merry go round in the summer is back then!