He was good in PES but he didn't really impress me at Inter or when he came here.

Did he? I never knew that. Which team was he managing, surely not us, I thought somebody else signed him for us?

Quaresma is a classic example of the wingers I mentioned, lots of hype but didn't really live up to it, although in his case it seems a rather extreme example, as he totally disappeared off the radar.

Remember Joaquim? So much hype around him back in the day. Only goes to show how hard it is for wingers to fulfil their promise, and how hard the judgement call is when you sign them.

Was a massive fan of joaquin when he was at betis. I think we were close to getting him at one point. Also really liked Vicente who was at valencia.

It is difficult for wingers though, We seem to have spent a load on right wingers recently and still haven't got it right yet. Hopefully cuadrado can settle and be a good signing, there isn't a lot of other options out there.

Wingers Mourinho has signed for Chelsea:

 

- Wright-Phillips - Disaster

- Maniche - Disaster

- Kalou - He was Kalou

- Malouda - Had 1 good season

- Shurrle - I thought he was good, but he sold him after 1 season

- Willian - Massively overpaid for an average player

- Atsu - WTF was he thinking

- Salah - Signed him and shipped him out in the space of 12 months

- Cuadrado - Looks like we overpaid for a poor player, at least so far

Edited April 6, 201511 yr by Zeta Orionis

I fear for him. He needs a goal or an assist, something as the wolves are circling.

That said id imagine he doesnt even speak the language yet. He'll be better next season though how much better is the key question.

I'm intrigued by this. I'm sure you're right but can you give me examples, as my memory's not the best. I know he bought SWP and the less said about that the better. Did he buy Malouda? I know he let Robben go, also. 

 

Does anyone have a record of the wingers Jose has bought over the years? Did he buy Di Maria at Real Madrid? If so, that was a good signing.

 

Wingers are curiously difficult to get right, it appears to me. Often they have a short shelf life, in terms of performing at the peak of their powers. Over the years many wingers have caught the eye, only to disappoint as their careers have progressed.

 

Top, top wingers are very hard to come by.

swp was a bad signing, and then he changed the system to a diamond the following season. he also signed malouda who started well and tailed off hugely from the point he left until hiddink arrived. he also sold duff and robben.

 

for inter he signed both mancini and quaresma but again, the following season decided he wanted to play a diamond. he then reverted to a 4231 but often preferred eto'o and/ or pandev out wide.

 

at madrid he signed jose callejon who did a decent job as a squad player before going on to napoli to do good things with benitez. di maria was at the club before him.

 

 

pure wingers don't really exist at the moment because of the ubiquity of one striker systems, but I do think wide players are where he has the most difficulty signing. if he spends 20m on a midfielder or a defender, he's going to be good. a wide player, who knows?

 

p.s. good post above in response to me. I broadly agree. we've definitely benefited from the fact that a small squad is easier to man-manage, and for me that is the strongest attribute jose has.  in contrast you only need to look at city this season. I do wonder whether the way things went for jose at madrid has informed the squad sizes he's had since his return.

 

 

p.p.s. zeta, maniche was not a wide player (although his size when he rolled up might suggest otherwise). we loaned him as a favour- he was a big favourite of jose's at porto and was desperate to get out of russia. don't think atsu can be attributed to him, and kalou is often attributed to frank arnesen (and either way was a decent squad player).

Edited April 6, 201511 yr by g3.7

I like you, I respect most of your opinions. But if you dont take that back i will hunt you down and burn all your Chelsea shirts. He wound me right up in every game with his stupid outside of the boot passes/shots/throw ins....

I wont really burn your shirts, maybe just singe them a bit.

I only own two, got rid of a bunch of my shirts ages ago haha donated them to people in Africa.

Edited April 6, 201511 yr by Bobbywoodhogan

swp was a bad signing, and then he changed the system to a diamond the following season. he also signed malouda who started well and tailed off hugely from the point he left until hiddink arrived. he also sold duff and robben.

 

for inter he signed both mancini and quaresma but again, the following season decided he wanted to play a diamond. he then reverted to a 4231 but often preferred eto'o and/ or pandev out wide.

 

at madrid he signed jose callejon who did a decent job as a squad player before going on to napoli to do good things with benitez. di maria was at the club before him.

 

 

pure wingers don't really exist at the moment because of the ubiquity of one striker systems, but I do think wide players are where he has the most difficulty signing. if he spends 20m on a midfielder or a defender, he's going to be good. a wide player, who knows?

 

p.s. good post above in response to me. I broadly agree. we've definitely benefited from the fact that a small squad is easier to man-manage, and for me that is the strongest attribute jose has.  in contrast you only need to look at city this season. I do wonder whether the way things went for jose at madrid has informed the squad sizes he's had since his return.

 

 

p.p.s. zeta, maniche was not a wide player (although his size when he rolled up might suggest otherwise). we loaned him as a favour- he was a big favourite of jose's at porto and was desperate to get out of russia. don't think atsu can be attributed to him, and kalou is often attributed to frank arnesen (and either way was a decent squad player).

 

Thanks for all that info, very interesting.

 

Duff was one of my favourite players and although he became a winner under Jose I wasn't massively impressed with how Jose handled him in his second season. Duff became too conservative, with the emphasis on keeping the ball rather than taking risks. There is always the suspicion with Jose that he regards wingers as auxiliary full-backs primarily, and that may be partly what attracted him to Cuadrado, after all Cuadrado started his career as a full-back and I believe sometimes played there in Italy, he also has the physical attributes to get up and down. 

 

Luckily Jose has allowed Eden to fully express himself (not a true winger I agree) but knowing Jose he probably thinks that's more than enough for one team and wants everyone else to put in a shift defensively.

Wingers Mourinho has signed for Chelsea:

 

- Wright-Phillips - Disaster

- Maniche - Disaster

- Kalou - He was Kalou

- Malouda - Had 1 good season

- Shurrle - I thought he was good, but he sold him after 1 season

- Willian - Massively overpaid for an average player

- Atsu - WTF was he thinking

- Salah - Signed him and shipped him out in the space of 12 months

- Cuadrado - Looks like we overpaid for a poor player, at least so far

 

I don't think Schurrle, Salah or Willian were his signings.

 

We were after them long before Jose arrived, so they smack of Emenalo signings to me.

 

Edit: Interestingly, the best wide players he has had at Chelsea are Duff, Robben and Hazard, none of whom were signed by him, so maybe g3.7 has a point.

Edited April 6, 201511 yr by Davey Baby

I only own two, got rid of a bunch of my shirts ages ago haha donated them to people in Africa.

damn you, one step ahead of me as usual.

Wingers Mourinho has signed for Chelsea:

 

- Wright-Phillips - Disaster

- Maniche - Disaster

- Kalou - He was Kalou

- Malouda - Had 1 good season

- Shurrle - I thought he was good, but he sold him after 1 season

- Willian - Massively overpaid for an average player

- Atsu - WTF was he thinking

- Salah - Signed him and shipped him out in the space of 12 months

- Cuadrado - Looks like we overpaid for a poor player, at least so far

 

Maniche a winger haha

Willian - an average player

Maybe we did overpay, but I see great things from him.

Maybe we get frustrated with our wingers under Jose, but it may be the orders they are given?

I remember he got a hard tackle by the defender, and didn't do anything after ( or before) that incident. He looks no where near ready, which make a lot of us wonder why we sent Schurlle away and got him. At least Schurlle would provide a much better goAL threat.

Edited April 7, 201511 yr by icecoolguy22

I love Willian. Maybe he's not scoring, but he's contributing massively. Not only does he work hard defensively, I see him as a player with skull and vision. Wouldn't mind seeing him next to Matic, with Cesc further up.

Willian is one of our hardest workers. One trick pony, without the goal threat, but his tireless running creates chances, just like when he won possession on the poor throw out by Begovic for our winner on the weekend. He had to have the vision and the work ethic to do it.

 

Cheers,

 

Butch

Maniche a winger haha

Yeah that made me laugh too

Thanks for all that info, very interesting.

 

Duff was one of my favourite players and although he became a winner under Jose I wasn't massively impressed with how Jose handled him in his second season. Duff became too conservative, with the emphasis on keeping the ball rather than taking risks. There is always the suspicion with Jose that he regards wingers as auxiliary full-backs primarily, and that may be partly what attracted him to Cuadrado, after all Cuadrado started his career as a full-back and I believe sometimes played there in Italy, he also has the physical attributes to get up and down. 

 

Luckily Jose has allowed Eden to fully express himself (not a true winger I agree) but knowing Jose he probably thinks that's more than enough for one team and wants everyone else to put in a shift defensively.

 

 

Just taking issue with the Duff comment, I think it was Injury rather then Jose that hindered Duff. He never repeated that form any where. Something was gone from him (i think it was the sholdure dislocation) Where as under Jose Joe cole went on to be England's best player in 2006.

 

Can't argue with the fact he hasn't really ever signed a top top winger though. Then again... It's probably not the easiest position to pick up tallent at a good price. 

Yeah Duff in 05-06 was clearly hampered by injury not where or how he was deployed. Didn't see Joe Cole or Robben struggling that season on the pitch.

I wish we had an 04-05 era Duff now.

Also I agree wing is the hardest position to sign for theres to many players who look good at one club in that position yet fade away. Look at Jaoquin or Simao they ended up going nowhere fast. I agree with whoever said that poaition has a shelf life.

Edited April 7, 201511 yr by Bobbywoodhogan

Yeah that made me laugh too

Me too. Although Maniche was quite good at Porto. Still remember those volleys and half volleys he would score from Deco crosses.

He did sign Ozil at Real (and Ronaldo/Di Maria? don't remember)

And then you have to look at how many top wingers are actually around, especially outside the top clubs. And from that small pool, the best ones tend to end up at either of the two Spanish clubs. God bless our scouting and negotiating teams for getting Hazard here. As for the other wing, Alexis Sanchez is the one a lot of people here have wanted for a long time and I suspect we might have gone for him if our priority wasn't other positions in the summer. Cuadrado will come good though I'm sure. You have to remember that even Sanchez himself struggled for a good while to adapt at Barca after moving from the Serie A.

Quick list of wingers that should have been good but didst really make it or had a very small period of time at the top

 

SWP

Lennon

Joquine

reyas

vicente

Duff

Nani

 

 

And that is of the top of my head, Im sure there are more

Quick list of wingers that should have been good but didst really make it or had a very small period of time at the top

 

SWP

Lennon

Joquine

reyas

vicente

Duff

Nani

 

 

And that is of the top of my head, Im sure there are more

 

Probably be quicker to list the wingers who fulfilled their promise and did it over a long period of time.

 

I'll start the ball rolling ..

 

Robben.

Ribery.

Giggs.

Andros Townsend.

 

Okay one of those was a joke.

Probably be quicker to list the wingers who fulfilled their promise and did it over a long period of time.

I'll start the ball rolling ..

Robben.

Ribery.

Giggs.

Andros Townsend.

Okay one of those was a joke.

Would you class Ronaldo and Messi as wingers?

Beckham? Although a different kind of winger still heald in the highest esteem. And jury still out on bale but I'd throw money at him this summer

Well I seem to recall Machine playing out wide on the rare occasions he played for us.

Well I seem to recall Machine playing out wide on the rare occasions he played for us.

Only thing I remember about maniche is him getting a red against West ham, and we absolutely spanked them with 10 men. Think essential got his first league goal for us. I don't know whether that's a dig a maniche or a compliment to how good that team actually was in 05/06.