I also don't think KDB would be the player he is now if he didn't leave and get a season or 2 of first team football.

No chance Jose would have played him like Wolfsburg did.

We have a history of selling good players before their prime, hopefully Conte can spot a promising player.

I know what you're saying ShedEnder, but what ever way you look at it, it was a bad decision. I know we're going over old ground, but every time I see KDB score or play well and for one of our big rivals, it's another reminder of the complete f**k-up.

 

 

I get that but I'm just saying it might be more complex than blaming Jose, as I believe you're about to.

 

 

You say there are reports Jose didn't want to sell him. Meaningless. He DID sell him. 

 

 

He was sold, but maybe didn't want to. Maybe he wanted to improve the midfield by buying Matic and loan De Bruyne for 6 months and bring him back in the summer. The evidence of the last couple of seasons is that we don't really spend money, but look to sell before we buy. If that's the new normal for this club then doesn't it make sense that after buying Matic for £20 million, we sell a player for roughly the same? Or is that too boring?

 

I hear the same thing with Lukaku. "we couldn't guarantee playing time - he didn't want to stay". Bollocks. NO player can be guaranteed playing time but you let them know they are an important member of the squad - put an arm round them, make them feel wanted and play them and give them chances. For whatever reason Mourinho didn't rate KDB or Lukaku and he got rid.

 

Why is it bollocks? When you sign Diego Costa and the guy starts the majority of matches, you can't guarantee playing time to someone like Lukaku. Putting an arm around someone doesn't always work if they're aware of the reality of how many minutes they're likely to get. 

 

Again there's a financial argument that we sold Lukaku for not much less than we bought Costa for. 

 

Rather than him not rating them isn't it possible that he couldn't give them what they wanted then and they decided to leave which meant the club could cash in at a time when they were looking to minimise their spending with FFP, losses and a new stadium all part of the reality of the situation?

 

Or Jose just didn't rate them. Either is possible and one makes far more exciting reading because you can blame Jose, you can't blame financial realities.

Who knows?

 

People are happy to make elaborate arguments for Mourinho and yet if AVB or the FSW had sold players who went on to do so well for rivals, I doubt they would be getting the same backing.

 

We all know Jose has always had his favourites - his "untouchables". The club didn't sell KDB or Lukaku without Jose's agreement - he would have walked away if they had done that. Totally different with Cech. Mourinho didn't want him to go to Arsenal (none of us did!!) but he reluctantly accepted he would move on if he was no longer No 1 and Abramovic did the decent thing and let him go where he wanted - which thankfully hasn't come back to bite us as Arsenal have choked again!

 

But what's done is done and can't be undone. I will try and move on but I know the next time KDB scores yet another important goal for City I will be cursing Mourinho again........

People who are defending Jose over De Bruyne are deluded, if he really wanted to keep him, he would have, at the end of the day he obviously didn't rate the guy and got it horribly wrong.

Who knows?

 

People are happy to make elaborate arguments for Mourinho and yet if AVB or the FSW had sold players who went on to do so well for rivals, I doubt they would be getting the same backing.

 

 

Elaborate? Jose wanted to spend money, so the club had to recoup it. Hardly elaborate is it? Basic finance for most people and looking at the last two years where we've basically broken-even, is it that far-fetched?

 

 

We all know Jose has always had his favourites - his "untouchables". The club didn't sell KDB or Lukaku without Jose's agreement - he would have walked away if they had done that. Totally different with Cech. Mourinho didn't want him to go to Arsenal (none of us did!!) but he reluctantly accepted he would move on if he was no longer No 1 and Abramovic did the decent thing and let him go where he wanted - which thankfully hasn't come back to bite us as Arsenal have choked again!

 

 

See there you've given an example of where Jose clearly didn't want to sell a player before falling in step with the club's line. Do you think he also wanted us to sign Papy or Hector? I don't think Jose has as much control over transfers as people think. Sometimes you get players who are available, that he wants and fit the club's profile for players but I think there are real financial impediments at this club right now for whatever reason that some people don't seem to acknowledge. 

 

It's not an accident that we're not spending money at the moment in my opinion. 

 

 

 

But what's done is done and can't be undone. I will try and move on but I know the next time KDB scores yet another important goal for City I will be cursing Mourinho again........

 

Coming just a few paragraphs after saying 'who knows' that strikes me as masochism for the sake of it. Just let it go for the sake of your sanity.

 

People who are defending Jose over De Bruyne are deluded, if he really wanted to keep him, he would have, at the end of the day he obviously didn't rate the guy and got it horribly wrong.

 

There's a difference between defending Jose and acknowledging that sources out there suggest he did want to keep him so there might be more to the story.

 

Are we certain that the club didn't tell him that if he wanted to sign Matic (15th January) he had to sell De Bruyne (18th January)?

 

Doesn't that perfectly sum up the 'one-in, one-out/break even' policy we seem to have adopted in recent seasons?

Edited April 13, 20169 yr by ShedEnder91

The thing is at the time not many people were up in arms about selling KDB because when he did play he wasn’t really showing much and the players we were playing were doing more to merit it at the time.

The KDB who is banging the goals in for City is not the same player as the one we sold, he matured as a footballer and became a better player from his time in Germany. We at the time were building a team who could challenge for the title and with the sales of players like KDB we brought in Matic who became the best sitting midfielder in the league over those 2 seasons. Had this season not been a complete disaster this wouldn’t be as big an issue IMO.

Long term it turned out we made a mistake but had we kept KDB would he have been the player he is today under Jose who didn’t really see him as a first choice pick?

So many if’s and but’s really, we sold players and in return we built a squad who romped the league. It all went tits up for some reason and now we are here.

It’s not the first time we have sold a promising young player who a few years later became a brilliant player, we will no doubt do it again at some point with the amount of youngsters in our loan system.

Edited April 13, 20169 yr by Chelsbear

The thing is at the time not many people were up in arms about selling KDB because when he did play he wasn’t really showing much and the players we were playing were doing more to merit it at the time.

The KDB who is banging the goals in for City is not the same player as the one we sold, he matured as a footballer and became a better player from his time in Germany. We at the time were building a team who could challenge for the title and with the sales of players like KDB we brought in Matic who became the best sitting midfielder in the league over those 2 seasons. Had this season not been a complete disaster this wouldn’t be as big an issue IMO.

Long term it turned out we made a mistake but had we kept KDB would he have been the player he is today under Jose who didn’t really see him as a first choice pick?

So many if’s and but’s really, we sold players and in return we built a squad who romped the league. It all went tits up for some reason and now we are here.

It’s not the first time we have sold a promising young player who a few years later became a brilliant player, we will no doubt do it again at some point with the amount of youngsters in our loan system.

 

Nice to see some perspective. I didn't want us to sell KDB because I'd followed him closely in Germany and thought this guy was a real talent. However, the move made the most sense at the time for everyone.

 

We really ought to have included a buy-back clause/first refusal in the deal. We've done this with Thorgan Hazard apparently so why we didn't with KDB is a mystery.

Edited April 13, 20169 yr by Celery1989

We really ought to have included a buy-back clause/first refusal in the deal. We've done this with Thorgan Hazard apparently so why we didn't with KDB is a mystery.

 

Maybe KDB had made it clear that he didn't want to come back. Who knows...

Nice to see some perspective. I didn't want us to sell KDB because I'd followed him closely in Germany and thought this guy was a real talent. However, the move made the most sense at the time for everyone.

We really ought to have included a buy-back clause/first refusal in the deal. We've done this with Thorgan Hazard apparently so why we didn't with KDB is a mystery.

Yeah I'm surprised we didn't have something like that in place. Not sure if we would have taken in if Jose was still here at the time but you never know.

It's looking like a bad decision but last season it looked like the right one when we won the double. It's a shame as we are now crying out for a player like him.

Nice to see some perspective. I didn't want us to sell KDB because I'd followed him closely in Germany and thought this guy was a real talent. However, the move made the most sense at the time for everyone.

 

We really ought to have included a buy-back clause/first refusal in the deal. We've done this with Thorgan Hazard apparently so why we didn't with KDB is a mystery.

That's the part the is most infuriating to me. We sold him when he was young and unproven, not a big deal. But the lack of clause in that deal says to me that the club or staff didn't rate him enough to imagine he would ever be good enough to play for us. Same goes for Lukaku

Unproven, TheChelseaBlues?

Almost the whole world couldn't believe that decision.

Edited April 13, 20169 yr by Krc-fan

what do you think of musonda, krc-fan? how do you compare him to kdb and hazard? 

Difficult to say, Enigma.

 

At his age, I would stay in Spain for another year. I hope Chelsea give him another loan.

But certainly a big talent. no doubt.

 

 

 

Eden has more talent, I guess.

I never, ever have seen a hard working player like kevin does. Even at a very young age.

I hope Charly will be the glue between the two in our national team.

Edited April 13, 20169 yr by Krc-fan

Kevin said that Jose barely talked to him. Jose only spoke to Kevin TWICE since he returned. I can understand if he wanted to leave and initiated the transfer, and it seemed like Jose didn't mind him going. Not saying Jose actively wanted Kevin to go but rather that he didn't care if Kevin went and acted in ways that gave Kevin the message that he was expendable.

I can't believe some people think Jose was wronged by the board in this one.

I also don't think KDB would be the player he is now if he didn't leave and get a season or 2 of first team football.

No chance Jose would have played him like Wolfsburg did.

We have a history of selling good players before their prime, hopefully Conte can spot a promising player.

I thought KDB begged to go, but we've been down this road before and I've already forgotten.

You'd have to be an incredibly stupid individual not to appreciate what De Bruyne had to offer, then and now.

I hold my hand up, I really underestimated him. Then again, if he really was unhappy with us then he may not have done so well as he now has.

I thought KDB begged to go, but we've been down this road before and I've already forgotten.

He begged to go because Jose was not only not playing him, he was also completely ignoring him in training. Jose spoke directly to Kevin twice during all that time.

Has Jose ever said he wanted any player gone? Off my head I can remember him saying he wanted to keep Torres, Ba, Salah and Mata.

Joe Cole punditing the Span-Utd replay.

He begged to go because Jose was not only not playing him, he was also completely ignoring him in training. Jose spoke directly to Kevin twice during all that time.

Wasn't it six of one etc, KDB fired shots when he went and Jose said he kept asking to leave. Who knows, press is iffy.

What was Neuer doing? Attempt to punch Alaba or what? Lol

Also a nice 4-4-2 from Benfica.

Edited April 13, 20169 yr by Nevamind

Rashford can't stop scoring.

GRIEEZMANN!

Come on Atleti!