Alot of the mates are playing in Euro 2016, so, they have another big tournament to worry about and want to win and play a bit safer than usual.  I say sack Jose and sell the guys the new manager considers surplus and bring in new guys....  

 

 

 

It's terribly unfortunate that all our players are playing in Euro 2016 and no-one in any of the other teams in the league is.

Jose inherited a great team first time around and with a few additions took them forward,this time he is trying to build his own team, as we've seen from his getting rid of any player who doesnt suit his style, well perhaps he's not very good at building his own squad.

Jose made some very, very important additions to that squad. Drogba, Essien, Cech, Robben, Ferreira, Carvalho, are you forgetting about those? I wouldn't call players of that quality, "a few additions", would you? 

The problem is that our best players are overused. We were a bad Matic injury away from finishing 2nd or 3rd last season. These players don't want to be dead by January every year and I don't blame them. We won the league by a good margin last year but looked like the most shattered side playing the worst football..... 

 

Also Ivan and Cahill were shockingly bad at times last season, and Terry was always going to face decline. That's 3/4 of our back 4 dying. Throw in Matic being out of form and getting no support and you have a recipe for a side that can't control games enough to build attacks, and can't defend to save its life. 

Edited September 14, 201510 yr by Nichollz

From what I have seen of our games so far, and what I have read here and elsewhere seems to back it up, there are 4 players who have been well below par so far this season. I would even go so far as to say 3 of them don't even seem to be interested or bothered by their p*ss poor performances.

 

Hazard and Fabregas have been woeful, Costa seems to prefer picking a fight with anyone and what Ivanovic is  playing at is anyones guess.

 

That's 40% of our outfield players who are quite frankly a shambles. Where the blame lies I have no idea, but it's quite obvious that all is not well within the club. The teams we have played so far have identified our weaknesses and exploited them ruthlessly. This is going to be a tough season without doubt.

Jose made some very, very important additions to that squad. Drogba, Essien, Cech, Robben, Ferreira, Carvalho, are you forgetting about those? I wouldn't call players of that quality, "a few additions", would you?

Just for the record, Cech and Robben weren't his purchases

ws6blue, on 13 Sept 2015 - 3:27 PM, said:

MY team is fit would be in a 433
Bergovic
Cesa
Zouma
JT
RLC
Matic
Kennedy
Ramires
Falcons
Pedro

And the fans need to be proper 12th man.
COme on Jose, time to be brave

 

If the fans are the 12th man, I think an 11th man would help too :) 

Edited September 14, 201510 yr by Oneclubinlondon

Just for the record, Cech and Robben weren't his purchases

Fair point. But Jose certainly brought out the best in those players and practically everyone else in the squad as well. Sadly something which he's failing to do at the moment.

Edited September 14, 201510 yr by CFC-Forever

It's a broader problem than it looks imo, lots small clues that something wrong in the club which result in below par stuff on the pitch. We had the 4 week run in which was far from perfect, so we played the arse a week too early in our prep and they were much sharper. Swansea tactics were better than ours and we were exposed, 10 men was unlucky but the Eva furore was all about Jose getting it wrong. We then had the the JT fiasco and then bringing in a player JOse hadn't seen, then EManalo interview etc etc etc. Wnd finally, keeper gets bad injury and we play really poorly at Goodison, when JOse picked a midfield and defence lacking pace and an attacking group with no bite or sharpness. Eden and Diego not on it at all.

Weds is important to get a result and expect JOse to stay loyal again with the tried and tested - but I would prefer him to change it and go for broke, it's only 1st game so why not take a risk and use it as a pivotal moment. Jose interview, plus words from Ivan and matic also very flat so only way to get a lift is CHANGE IT.

MY team is fit would be in a 433

Bergovic

Cesa

Zouma

JT

RLC

Matic

Kennedy

Ramires

Falcons

Pedro

And the fans need to be proper 12th man.

COme on Jose, time to be brave

I agree with you it's time for JM to try something new. He is however caught between a rock and a hard place, if he does this and it all goes wrong, he will be criticised for trying something different, if he stays with the tried and tested and it goes wrong he will be criticised for that. I don't think it's JM, but I do believe there is a problem at the club and I don't have any idea what it is.

Mea

The biggest problem is Cesc Fabergas, he's been pants for ages now, ever since spuds away. I appreciate what he did for the first half of last season, but we need to recognise that he has been poor for months now, he plays in such a position you can't hide without it affecting our performances.

 

I think Fabregas' form has been that poor that it's affected other players with an inflated workload, especially Matic, and to some degree Ivanovic and Hazard. It may seem harsh to dump so much of the blame on Cesc' sholuders, but it only takes one bad apple as the saying goes.

 

RLC must come into the midfield, Ramires, Mikel and Fabregas have all played alongside Matic, we all know they are not good enough, but we won't know if RLC is good enough or not unless we throw caution to the wind and give him a guaranteed start in the team.

 

What have we got to lose ?

 

 

I was about to post in this thread but thought I'd have a read through first...I would have pretty much echoed this so Thought I'd quote it instead.

 

Cheers Coco.

Don't think Fabregas is the 'biggest' problem.

There are problems all over the side from Ivan to Cesc to Hazard to Costa. Ivan and the back 4 are the biggest one as we are shipping a stupid amount of goals.

I can count on the one hand the players who have been good enough this season so far.

 

Look at the f**king state of the shape of the midfield. 

Whether or not the issues around the short pre-season, the medical staff debacle or lack of significant team refreshing/improvement through transfers are part of the problem, I do think that the solution is down to the current players sorting their heads out and finding some form, coupled with Mourinho sorting his head out and finding some tactics.

 

One thing I am pretty sure of is that as lovely as it sounds to fix this with the youth team, changing 5 or 6 starters for the likes of Kenedy, RLC and Traore is not the answer. Jose needs to stick with his current first 13/14 and get 11 out of those organised and motivated into a system that stops getting murdered.

 

I strongly believe that to have retained the league and seriously threatened the CL, we needed a couple of marquee signings. It's part and parcel of the modern game that you don't let your squad stand still. Adding a couple every years beats needing 5 or 6 after three or four seasons. But despite that, there's no way this squad with this manager should be in this current mess.

We need a player in midfield who can do this...

 

To answer the original question of this thread.. I recommend reading this article by Secret Footballer - http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/articles/the-secret-footballer/28226/chelsea-players-face-watching-video-nasty-as-jose-mourinho-searches-for-answers-2/.

 

Spot on. 

Interesting theory. 

 

After winning the title, do the players no longer want to defend first and foremost but instead be given more free license to express themselves? 

 

Trouble is, on current form the opposite is likely to happen. Stopping the endless tide of shots on our goal will be the primary aim. 

To answer the original question of this thread.. I recommend reading this article by Secret Footballer - http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/articles/the-secret-footballer/28226/chelsea-players-face-watching-video-nasty-as-jose-mourinho-searches-for-answers-2/.

 

Spot on.

This is what I've been saying in the last few days. There's a huge rift between the players and the manager borne out of so many things since the season started, and has nothing to do with a temporary loss of form or tiredness. Either the management and the players sit down and sort it out so we can resume the season or they replace the manager if he's not willing to change.

I still think he's the best manager in the world but if the players are no longer playing for you then what's the point?

Interesting theory.

After winning the title, do the players no longer want to defend first and foremost but instead be given more free license to express themselves?

Trouble is, on current form the opposite is likely to happen. Stopping the endless tide of shots on our goal will be the primary aim.

To me, expressing yourself when playing football is zooming about with a youthful energy and taking exciting chances, the kind of stuff you did as a kid, or in 5 aside. David Luiz.... there's a player who was absolutely bonkers, but who always expressed himself... for better or worse.

Most of our boys just look jaded and absolutely smashed. But maybe they want to be let off the leash a bit more, I dont know, I could well understand it...

My own take is that it could be the same Jose cycle repeating itself.... that same cycle that has pushed Jose from club to club....

i.e. Join the club, get 11 players who'd die for you, run them into the ground....then when they are burnt out and the results don't come he goes.

If he means what he says about wanting to stay he'll be working his ass off right now creating a solution and has to make some bold calls in the next few games.

Edited September 14, 201510 yr by Zola

Don't know if it's been mentioned as I haven't got time to read through this thread, but does anyone remember the "bad moment" we went through after Wilkins was inexplicably and suddenly sacked as Carlo's assistant?

 

Of our next 11 games, we won only 2 (both at home, against Bolton in the league and Zilina in the CL), drew 4, and lost 5.

 

It was an incredible run of poor form and it had to be connected to the sacking and the damage that did to either Carlo's morale or the players'.

 

I'm saying all this because the Eva affair may be significant here. I suspect it is.

 

Secondly, in response to Coco's post about Fabregas, completely agree, and I've been banging this drum since the latter half of last season.

 

Of course there are other problems and it may be harsh to single out one player, but he's the most culpable player in my view, no doubt about it.

 

He should not be in the pivot, and as a number 10? Well, we had a far superior one to him in Mata, far superior. Jose said when he signed Fabregas that he was attracted to his versatility, he can play as a 4 or as a 10. Well I'm afraid he's not good enough as either. He's a quality player, with the ball, but he's been found out in midfield and I'm afraid he doesn't give us the cutting edge a top number 10 would further up. Compare him to Zola for example as a number 10, or the best we've had since then, Mata. Drop him, drop him now. He's the main reason we're conceding so many and he's ineffective at the moment going forward.

 

City have got Silva playing the number 10. No comparison.

 

Fabregas is a luxury player, because everybody else has to cover for him, and he's not good enough to be afforded that status, he's not a match-winner in the vein of a Messi or Ronaldo or a Hazard. Fabregas cannot master one position, which is why Barca got rid, to replace him with better players in the positions he plays. That is the cold, hard truth. He was great, up until New Year last year, since then? Hardly anything.

 

I want to see the kids now. Baba instead of Ivanovic, Zouma as a regular starter, RLC alongside Matic, and I want to see Kennedy and Traore regularly featuring. They're in the first team squad and they're there for a reason, because they've got the quality.

 

Now they just need to be given their chance.

 

Lastly, If Begovic does well, don't just bring Courtois straight back in when he's fit. That's bad management. If you have the shirt and you do the business you deserve to keep it. For my money, that was another poor decision Jose made this season, bringing Courtois straight back in after Man City, when he scarcely deserved it.

 

A manager has to be seen to be fair and he has to be seen to be treating all his players equally, not to mention his medical staff too I would venture. Once you lose the players, it's very hard to get them back, as his experience at Madrid should tell him.

 

Talk of sacking Jose is ludicrously premature but he has to come up with a few answers now. This is where he really starts earning his money. We've got problems and I'm afraid he can't point the finger of blame elsewhere. This one's on him, and he has to sort it out.

 

Edit: I pray Roman gives him enough time to do so.

Edited September 14, 201510 yr by Davey Baby

Davey as usual you are bang on the money pal

Does anyone think the lack of possible leaders could be making an impact? Years gone by, we've had Cech, Terry,Lamps, Ballack, Drogba.

Out of the current squad, only Terry and possibly Ivanovic could be classed as leaders. Willian, Hazard, Dave, Matic don't particularly strike me as leaders.

Having leaders do drag you out of situations.

Davey as usual you are bang on the money pal

 

Ooh, you're such a charmer.

Davey, I agree with your post, especially regarding the Eva incident, but I'm not so sure about the kids thing. I'm all for sticking with Zouma as a regular starter but playing him plus the other four you named together would leave us even weaker than we are now. We saw how Kenedy looked hopeless playing in the mess that was Goodison Park. Zouma and one other is enough for me for now as we need the Oscars and Willans to get us back to some semblance of order and then we can start giving the other youngsters more game time.

Another thing with the youngsters, regardless of our opinions, Jose only seems to rate Kenedy as ready to contribute anything at this time. Mikel's return over RLC starting on Saturday tells us where he is in the pecking order right now. Maybe he's not yet changed Jose's opinion since that post season game in Australia.

Don't know if it's been mentioned as I haven't got time to read through this thread, but does anyone remember the "bad moment" we went through after Wilkins was inexplicably and suddenly sacked as Carlo's assistant?

Of our next 11 games, we won only 2 (both at home, against Bolton in the league and Zilina in the CL), drew 4, and lost 5.

It was an incredible run of poor form and it had to be connected to the sacking and the damage that did to either Carlo's morale or the players'.

I'm saying all this because the Eva affair may be significant here. I suspect it is.

Secondly, in response to Coco's post about Fabregas, completely agree, and I've been banging this drum since the latter half of last season.

Of course there are other problems and it may be harsh to single out one player, but he's the most culpable player in my view, no doubt about it.

He should not be in the pivot, and as a number 10? Well, we had a far superior one to him in Mata, far superior. Jose said when he signed Fabregas that he was attracted to his versatility, he can play as a 4 or as a 10. Well I'm afraid he's not good enough as either. He's a quality player, with the ball, but he's been found out in midfield and I'm afraid he doesn't give us the cutting edge a top number 10 would further up. Compare him to Zola for example as a number 10, or the best we've had since then, Mata. Drop him, drop him now. He's the main reason we're conceding so many and he's ineffective at the moment going forward.

City have got Silva playing the number 10. No comparison.

Fabregas is a luxury player, because everybody else has to cover for him, and he's not good enough to be afforded that status, he's not a match-winner in the vein of a Messi or Ronaldo or a Hazard. Fabregas cannot master one position, which is why Barca got rid, to replace him with better players in the positions he plays. That is the cold, hard truth. He was great, up until New Year last year, since then? Hardly anything.

I want to see the kids now. Baba instead of Ivanovic, Zouma as a regular starter, RLC alongside Matic, and I want to see Kennedy and Traore regularly featuring. They're in the first team squad and they're there for a reason, because they've got the quality.

Now they just need to be given their chance.

Lastly, If Begovic does well, don't just bring Courtois straight back in when he's fit. That's bad management. If you have the shirt and you do the business you deserve to keep it. For my money, that was another poor decision Jose made this season, bringing Courtois straight back in after Man City, when he scarcely deserved it.

A manager has to be seen to be fair and he has to be seen to be treating all his players equally, not to mention his medical staff too I would venture. Once you lose the players, it's very hard to get them back, as his experience at Madrid should tell him.

Talk of sacking Jose is ludicrously premature but he has to come up with a few answers now. This is where he really starts earning his money. We've got problems and I'm afraid he can't point the finger of blame elsewhere. This one's on him, and he has to sort it out.

Edit: I pray Roman gives him enough time to do so.

100% bang on, all points ... however, I just can't see Jose biting the bullet and dropping Fab because he is his own signing ...

Jose is committing selection suicide in front of our eyes and it's so frustrating to see ...

It's terribly unfortunate that all our players are playing in Euro 2016 and no-one in any of the other teams in the league is.

 

Are you DUMB?

 

Point is that their seasons aren't done yet, while our season is literally done domestically unless we have a magnificent end and everyone else falters....   The key players in thibo, costa, hazard, cahill, ivan, matic, cesc and even begovic are all going to the euros and why would they want to play 110 percent when the domestic season is literally over and risk injury, etc.  

if nothing improves by the time we are at game 10 bums will begin to twitch and Roman will have very little choice in the route that he must go to turn this thing around.  Jose looks lost and tired and perhaps family issues are taking their toll which culminates in some strange behavior of late....maybe a 'leave of absence' might be warranted in the short term, or at the very least if Eva is the catalyst for these recent disasters then bring her back to the bench....I am sure the club can put a spin on it to save everyone's ego and credibility.