Two wins out of eight league games...Jose gone but results aren't much better...just not losing...at least they didn't give up like they seemed to under Jose...but Arsenal and palace aside, there has not been that much to get excited about

His remit is clearly to stop us getting relegated and he knows he's not going to be here next season so you have the perfect recipe for a lack of ambition on the pitch. That's not necessarily his fault. He's working with the same limited squad Jose worked with, but Jose obviously had to be more ambitious because he had longer-term plans.

 

So Guus will play it as safe as humanly possible even if that means we draw every game until the end of the season.

 

But that will be mission accomplished for him and he'll probably go off into retirement a bit richer and with a slightly better sign-off than he's managed at his previous jobs.

 

To me it looks like he's been asked to tread water and that's exactly what he's doing. If that's the case then it shows a total disregard for the supporters who turn up each week to support the club but what's new?

Yes we did. Remember were we were when Mourinho was sacked? Within a whisker of the bottom three. Relegation was a genuine possibility. Ok it might be disappointing that since Hiddink took over, a few more of those draws haven't turned into victories, but we are gaining ground, besides which it's a fair bet that a good few of those recent draws would have been defeats had Mourinho still been in charge.

The upshot of this is that we've been edging towards safety, still not 100% out of the woods, but neither do we appear to be the relegation candidates we looked just a few short weeks ago.

Any chance of the title had long gone by the time of Hiddink's appointent and even a top four finish was looking increasingly remote.Without pretending to be privy to the thoughts of Ambramovitch and the board, I would say that Hiddink's remit was to keep us up, And that's exactly what he's doing.

If we can progress in the FA Cup and/or Champion's League, then so much the better, but given the disastrous start to this season, the priority has to be to avoid relegation. We're not safe yet, but we ARE getting there. Just one little indication. Remember the West Brom game the other week? West Brom fans were singing: "Down with the Villa, you're going down wit the Villa". They weren't alone in that by any means, but the point is that we are now a point above West Brom, seven points clear of the relegation zone.

We should have a permanent (or at least non-interim) manager in place for next season. And if we can strengthen the squad , if things do happen to fall into place, then we can hopefuly pick up where we left off, as genuine title contenders once again.

But that's for next season.

Pls mate, don't be this sensible. For some everything evolves around Jose's 'keikaku', he's the beginning and the end of CFC, the club will perish without his guidance but not worry they would come around next season when based Roman proves them wrong.

PS: I know some peeps are already triggered, expecting some...

Negative fan watching negative football

Two negatives makes a positive :)

Pls mate, don't be this sensible. For some everything evolves around Jose's 'keikaku', he's the beginning and the end of CFC, the club will perish without his guidance but not worry they would come around next season when based Roman proves them wrong.

PS: I know some peeps are already triggered, expecting some...

Keikaku B

Edited February 7, 201610 yr by Droogba

His remit is clearly to stop us getting relegated and he knows he's not going to be here next season so you have the perfect recipe for a lack of ambition on the pitch. That's not necessarily his fault. He's working with the same limited squad Jose worked with, but Jose obviously had to be more ambitious because he had longer-term plans.

So Guus will play it as safe as humanly possible even if that means we draw every game until the end of the season.

But that will be mission accomplished for him and he'll probably go off into retirement a bit richer and with a slightly better sign-off than he's managed at his previous jobs.

To me it looks like he's been asked to tread water and that's exactly what he's doing. If that's the case then it shows a total disregard for the supporters who turn up each week to support the club but what's new?

What I don't get is that Jose was more than capable of grinding out results to accumulate points. He did it second half of last season to steer us to the league. If this is all the Board wanted, to avoid relegation and to have us tread water for the rest of the season, then sacking Jose was an unnecessary move.

All Hiddink's appointment has managed to do is show up the squad's limitations. All that's left is for him to guide us to mid-table mediocrity - a task we would have likely achieved with Jose anyway.

Did the Board really think that Jose, once fourth spot was impossible, couldn't steer us to safety? It looked to me that we were losing games under Jose because we were trying to make up for a bad start and were taking risks.

Water under the bridge, so to speak, but Hiddink's appointment was never going to unleash some suppressed potential in the squad. In fact, Hiddink is not doing much different far as I can see. He's even managed to out-Jose the man himself. Hiddink is not playing the youngsters or changing the formation. He's not giving RLC or Kenedy games, he's still playing the same right backs, he's even brought back Mikel! If it was Jose playing such uninspiring football and grinding out draws he'd be getting crucified!

Edited February 7, 201610 yr by Socrates

What I don't get is that Jose was more than capable of grinding out results to accumulate points. He did it second half of last season to steer us to the league. If this is all the Board wanted, to avoid relegation and to have us tread water for the rest of the season, then sacking Jose was an unnecessary move.

All Hiddink's appointment has managed to do is show up the squad's limitations. All that's left is for him to guide us to mid-table mediocrity - a task we would have likely achieved with Jose anyway.

Did the Board really think that Jose, once fourth spot was impossible, couldn't steer us to safety? It looked to me that we were losing games under Jose because we were trying to make up for a bad start and were taking risks.

Water under the bridge, so to speak, but Hiddink's appointment was never going to unleash some suppressed potential in the squad. In fact, Hiddink is not doing much different far as I can see. He's even managed to out-Jose the man himself. Hiddink is not playing the youngsters or changing the formation. He's not giving RLC or Kenedy games, he's still playing the same right backs, he's even brought back Mikel! If it was Jose playing such uninspiring football and grinding out draws he'd be getting crucified!

100% agree.

100% agree.

Yup.

What I don't get is that Jose was more than capable of grinding out results to accumulate points. He did it second half of last season to steer us to the league. If this is all the Board wanted, to avoid relegation and to have us tread water for the rest of the season, then sacking Jose was an unnecessary move.

All Hiddink's appointment has managed to do is show up the squad's limitations. All that's left is for him to guide us to mid-table mediocrity - a task we would have likely achieved with Jose anyway.

Did the Board really think that Jose, once fourth spot was impossible, couldn't steer us to safety? It looked to me that we were losing games under Jose because we were trying to make up for a bad start and were taking risks.

Water under the bridge, so to speak, but Hiddink's appointment was never going to unleash some suppressed potential in the squad. In fact, Hiddink is not doing much different far as I can see. He's even managed to out-Jose the man himself. Hiddink is not playing the youngsters or changing the formation. He's not giving RLC or Kenedy games, he's still playing the same right backs, he's even brought back Mikel! If it was Jose playing such uninspiring football and grinding out draws he'd be getting crucified!

 

The argument would probably be that Jose lost the dressing room but ultimately we've lost a great manager who had a plan and traded it for treading water for 6 months in the hope that we might get another decent coach who has a plan. Personally I'd have rather we stuck with Jose during a tough period and backed the guy but that's not the Chelsea way.

 

And you're spot on - if this was Jose getting these results then he'd be getting slated. What might be the truth is that this is simply the actual level of this group of players and Jose got more out of them than anyone thought possible last year, and the board failed to strengthen it in the summer. We showed no ambition and were overtaken by other teams who at least wanted to give it a go.

Well, against Newcastle there must be some changes because of the PSG game or, or not?

Edited February 8, 201610 yr by Nevamind

To be fair to Hiddink, he has got Cesc and Costa playing again and I'm not sure Jose would have been able to do that given the suspicions about their relationship...what I don't get about Guus though, is he has nothing to lose...he knows he's going at end of the season, so why not try more things and be more adventurous?...doesn't make any sense to me

One thing i would like a coach to do is drop ivanovic for a dew games and give baba a go at lb and koce azpi over. Ia that too much to ask for?

The argument would probably be that Jose lost the dressing room but ultimately we've lost a great manager who had a plan and traded it for treading water for 6 months in the hope that we might get another decent coach who has a plan. Personally I'd have rather we stuck with Jose during a tough period and backed the guy but that's not the Chelsea way.

 

And you're spot on - if this was Jose getting these results then he'd be getting slated. What might be the truth is that this is simply the actual level of this group of players and Jose got more out of them than anyone thought possible last year, and the board failed to strengthen it in the summer. We showed no ambition and were overtaken by other teams who at least wanted to give it a go.

 

What was that Plan?

 

Not having a go at you Shedender, as like many, I wanted Jose to stay for years and build a dynasty. But the truth is I didn't see evidence that was happening and by the end he looked as though he had completely run out of ideas, never mind having a plan.

 

I can't accept that the board not backing Jose was why it all went wrong this season. It seems it was Jose who sanctioned some very good players we got rid of and it was Jose who thought it was a good idea to take Falcao and try and get the best out of him. So we didn't get Stones - so what, move on - he certainly wouldn't have been the answer to our problems this season.

What was that Plan?

 

Not having a go at you Shedender, as like many, I wanted Jose to stay for years and build a dynasty. But the truth is I didn't see evidence that was happening and by the end he looked as though he had completely run out of ideas, never mind having a plan.

 

I can't accept that the board not backing Jose was why it all went wrong this season. It seems it was Jose who sanctioned some very good players we got rid of and it was Jose who thought it was a good idea to take Falcao and try and get the best out of him. So we didn't get Stones - so what, move on - he certainly wouldn't have been the answer to our problems this season.

 

That's an absolutely fair question. 

 

I think his first year was about stability, laying the groundwork. The second year was about winning the title for the first time in half-a-decade and he did that.

 

The third year was (in my opinion) about improving the team and building something longer term. Look at the names we were associated with like Stones, Marquinhos and Pogba. Those are Mourinho-type players but we didn't do that. He's even alluded to that in the recent interview where he talks about instability and creating competition in the squad. What we did was at-best exchange like for like and maintain the quality of the squad.

 

What I personally think is that we weakened the squad in the summer. That makes it hard to know what his plan actually was because I don't think the club gave him the resources to really do anything. In fact they strengthened his biggest opponent.

 

That wasn't all that went wrong but he's a volatile character and if he's not pushing to be the absolute best then he lashes out in frustration. That's not excusing him because he's responsible for his actions, but sometimes you have to take the good with the bad with people. I think we're weaker as a club without him.

The argument would probably be that Jose lost the dressing room but ultimately we've lost a great manager who had a plan and traded it for treading water for 6 months in the hope that we might get another decent coach who has a plan. Personally I'd have rather we stuck with Jose during a tough period and backed the guy but that's not the Chelsea way.

 

And you're spot on - if this was Jose getting these results then he'd be getting slated. What might be the truth is that this is simply the actual level of this group of players and Jose got more out of them than anyone thought possible last year, and the board failed to strengthen it in the summer. We showed no ambition and were overtaken by other teams who at least wanted to give it a go.

 

No, not really. Yes the results under Hidding haven't be great either, but at least we're not losing every second game. With Guus it feels at least that we're slightly better and the team is trying harder. (I am not saying it was all Jose's fault. It's been probably a multude of reasons: Jose's temper, non of our transfers hit the ground, our star players suffered a slump in form, other teams got much better.)

One thing i would like a coach to do is drop ivanovic for a dew games and give baba a go at lb and koce azpi over. Ia that too much to ask for?

Who is asking? I guess that he'd do it immediately if it was part of his mandate when he took over. But I guess they tasked him with reaching Top4. So no reasonable manager would try to give youth a chance when his main task is something else.

safe hands until the end of the season, avoid relegation, avoid controversy - his remit

 

which is translating into a slew of draws which over the past 20 years is not what we've become accustomed to

 

don't know how long he can trade on being 'unbeaten' that 'excuse' nearly lost its legs yesterday

 

Acceptance - is all we can do, because I don't think hes going to be adventurous in CL away next week, will

defo go to Paris for a draw, then in the FA cup it will almost certainly be the same line up as yesterday (xcept for poor Kurt)

Jose has gone and the club were correct to sack him , he had gone to war with everyone  players, press, backroom staff .

Hiddink has always been a paid employee of Roman russian national coach etc

Hiddink has also failed to do anything in last few appontments wih exception of fa cup with chelsea  using a squad

that was well establshed and playing well and with big leaders inthe team ,

This time it looks like  Hiddink is doing what is expected of him and that is nothingjust keep everyone happy

Chelsea will only see the realty of what has happened once the season is drawing to an end or over

then it could possble be

NO Manager

No Captain

and a team that needs

completly rebuilt with out the attraction of the champions league

and the attraction of a squad boasting world class players

as THE Inevitable is bound to happen and we will lose are top

players to teams with better options to offer

 

as everyone says we will have to wait and see

Edited February 8, 201610 yr by dellaw

Sadly he's shown a lack of ambition...no starts for Hazard for the last 2 games plus the boring old dependence on Ivanovich shows this...let's hope the new manager shows more faith in our remarkably talented youth players...CM debut last night for RB was extraordinary...MotM performance

Edited February 8, 201610 yr by doctorblue

I Agree with you dellaw.

We all have to show some patience and support the team and get behind Guus.

We were in a terrible mess before Guus took over.

What was that Plan?

 

He's even alluded to that in the recent interview where he talks about instability and creating competition in the squad. 

 

This is one of the comments that annoyed me on his part. The last two seasons he had players to create competition within the squad, but you could almost always predict his starting 11. He says he wanted to create competition, but he did not use any of the young blood that might push the older players to perform better. I'm still annoyed at how little game time Luis got last year, while Ivanovic was under performing.

This is one of the comments that annoyed me on his part. The last two seasons he had players to create competition within the squad, but you could almost always predict his starting 11. He says he wanted to create competition, but he did not use any of the young blood that might push the older players to perform better. I'm still annoyed at how little game time Luis got last year, while Ivanovic was under performing.

 

True and that really affected us in Europe, but I think his argument would be that it showed just how thin the squad was and he had to play the same 11 to get us across the finish line.

 

I think that has some merit to it but come the summer you need to add to the squad to create competition and uncertainty for places and we failed to do that. The squad got weaker, complacency set in and players came back unready (in some cases unfit, and even outright fat) for the challenge ahead.

 

It would've been nice to see the young blood given more chances last year but what we desperately needed was new (expensive) blood.

Mrs Hiddink surely isn't happy.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/643681/Chelsea-Guus-Hiddink-Diego-Costa-Fikayo-Tomori-Newcastle-Premier-League-News

One thing bringing on the likes of Traore and RLC when you're coasting against Newcastle and MK Dons but once again on a more hugh profile game Guus doesn't look to influence the match with his substitutions.

Really don't like this approach personally.

One thing bringing on the likes of Traore and RLC when you're coasting against Newcastle and MK Dons but once again on a more hugh profile game Guus doesn't look to influence the match with his substitutions.

Really don't like this approach personally.

 

No different to Mourinho in that respect. I was hoping he would bring on Kenedy or Traore for Hazard last night as it needed changing and possibly make a second change later on and it was disappointing that only Oscar got used. But there is no way Mourinho would have used any of the youngsters last night and at least we are still in the tie.