It doesn't seem that long ago that lots of people were saying David Luiz should be the next captain!!

 

You can't say that he didn't have passion!  Organising everyone else, let alone himself though.........

We need our world wide scouting department to specifically recruit top quality proven international players with character and leadership skills who can speak about 4 different languages, hopefully including English.

Instead of recruiting hasbeens and Cuadrado type imbeciles !

 

Djilobodji could spell his own name, I think that's as good as you're going to get. 

 

Miazga can speak English and American so he's halfway there.

The captain should be someone we all look to, respect and believe would give his all for the cause shouldn't he?

That isn't Cesc.

Years ago we had our pick from Cech, JT, Ashley, Lamps, Maka, Didier, Ballack etc. We had MEN in the team. Now we don't have anyone close to that level.

If we're going to pick anyone, I'd have Courtois though. More experience than almost anyone else, one of the very few world-class players we have and guaranteed to start every game he's available for.

Not sure what gives you the impression he doesn't, he's always said the right things even when Jose was on the ropes he backed him to the hilt.

He was unfairly targeted as being a rat by some sections of the support who don't like him because he's ex-Arsenal.

It's between him & Azpi for me as well!

Not sure what gives you the impression he doesn't, he's always said the right things even when Jose was on the ropes he backed him to the hilt.

He was unfairly targeted as being a rat by some sections of the support who don't like him because he's ex-Arsenal.

It's between him & Azpi for me as well!

 

I think he's a fabulous footballer but the guy just doesn't scream leader in the same way any of the guys I mentioned above did (apart from Ash). He's notorious for pulling out of challenges, he isn't a nailed-on starter in my opinion and he isn't one of us. He's Arsenal and Barca whereas I think Courtois is young enough to build a proper legacy here. 

If you think of reasons why we are looking to get rid of him:

1. He is old

2. He is not on the level he used to be

3. Chelsea wants to approach a more adventurous way of playing.

The third I think is the key. We can't play a high line with John. We have tried and failed again and again. He doesn't have the style or the legs for it. Chelsea is restricted in a way because of him.

On the other hand he is one the best in what he does when we defend like he wants it. We are extremely hard to break down. I think it is down to philosofy.

I think it is near impossible to change our system and be successful at this transformation. Roman might want both.

I have no idea whether this is the reason but when you are claiming the board and Emenalo to be clueless and stupid you need to think for a while the reasons.

You nailed it. Can remember Jose alluding to the fact he plays Azpi on the left to offer him some protection, which he brought up when he was asked why he subbed earlier in the season. What if the club overruled Jose when he wanted to bring in Stones & told him JT was a nailed on starter. Maybe the club are being cautious in offering him a new contract considering how our season has imploded.

We have no idea of his contract demands (wages/game time), and he is wrong & selfish for blindsiding the club & releasing that statement after the Dons game. Let's put a few things in perspective;

* comparisons to UTD & Giggs/Scholes are a bit flawed. Both players were multifunctional & clearly took a huge pay cut in their latter years. You can only play JT as a CB, a more valid comparison should be with Rio & Vidic. They both took pay cuts with UTD & finished their careers elsewhere.

* Ivanovic is still serviceable & certain top teams like PSG & Barca likely retained interest in him because he is multifunctional (RB/CB) & these teams don't place too much premium on the defensive aspect.

* JT has a defensive structure here that is tailored to get the best out of him (Azpi to his left & a low block). Harsh as it sounds you take these two factors out & our back line will leak loads of goals. I doubt most teams can afford him that luxury.

* Lets get real he probably has silly offers from Asia & the U.S. & he is using his status with the club/fans to force the board's hands.

Edited February 2, 201610 yr by ducavis

Ivanovic is on less than half the salary. He took a large pay cut last year and probably took another big one this year. The board may have figured that if he regains form then great, and if he doesn't then it wasn't so much money wasted (by Chelsea standards).

To be fair, John Terry is overpaid. He makes around the same as Willian and Azpilicueta combined. He's definitely not the only overpaid player, but the others can be, and likely will be, sold. They got £25 million for Ramires after all. You can't sell John Terry because of his history with the club.

I hope the non-renewal was due to not being able to agree on salary, and that this is posturing, and one side will eventually give in. That's more palatable than them not wanting him period. With a club like Chelsea, money disagreements are easy to solve. Deeper personal issues are much more difficult.

Well based on this seasons form up until a couple of weeks ago I hope Ivan is on championship level wages because that was the level was playing at.

The best centre back in PL history and our history is overpaid? I've heard it all now.

I think he's a fabulous footballer but the guy just doesn't scream leader in the same way any of the guys I mentioned above did (apart from Ash). He's notorious for pulling out of challenges, he isn't a nailed-on starter in my opinion and he isn't one of us. He's Arsenal and Barca whereas I think Courtois is young enough to build a proper legacy here.

Respectfully disagree, Fabregas is a nailed on starter. There's not one other person at the club who can pick a pass the way he does.

He may not go flying in to tackles but against Arsenal he had the most in the team. It's a myth that he doesn't try defensively, he's just not great at it.

He more than makes up for it going forward for me though.

In regard to him being Arsenal, did you see the reception he got from them again and the photos of him leaving the pitch?

I don't doubt Cesc's commitment to the cause at all.

Not a fan of keepers being captains and I don't think Tibo is close to being the finished article yet so I think it's a little early for that.

I agree that we have a lot fewer options than we had in the past, that's a certainty.

Respectfully disagree, Fabregas is a nailed on starter. There's not one other person at the club who can pick a pass the way he does.

He may not go flying in to tackles but against Arsenal he had the most in the team. It's a myth that he doesn't try defensively, he's just not great at it.

He more than makes up for it going forward for me though.

In regard to him being Arsenal, did you see the reception he got from them again and the photos of him leaving the pitch?

I don't doubt Cesc's commitment to the cause at all.

Not a fan of keepers being captains and I don't think Tibo is close to being the finished article yet so I think it's a little early for that.

I agree that we have a lot fewer options than we had in the past, that's a certainty.

 

Up until a few days ago I thought JT was nailed-on to start so I don't think anyone except Courtois is right now. You make a good point but I think the reception is more to do with sticking it to Arsenal fans than genuinely liking Cesc. That's only how I feel though.

 

I like my skippers to have some grit to them. Wisey had it, JT had it, even Franck and Marcel had it when they had the armband. I'm probably forgetting some people too, because I think Sparky wore it a few times. Maybe Ruud too? It's just personal preference at the end of the day but I can't really imagine Cesc rallying the troops and dragging the players into line. Honestly I think there's more chance he's sold than given the captaincy at this point in time.

Fabregas should never be in discussion for a captain, not only at Chelsea but for any club that wants to challenge in every competition for the simple reason that he shouldn't be a first team player for a side with that ambition. This is the same guy who showed a level of apathy and carelessness this season that I've never seen from another player in a Chelsea shirt. He's not Chelsea, never will be. If this is JT's last season, it's probably Ivanovic and Cahill, with Azpi and later Zouma in line.

Captain Costa at your service. My way or the highway!

We need to put our words into action.....and get some banners up to show the madam CEO and Roman that we ain't happy....and demonstrate at all of the Upcoming Chelsea matches.

This is what JT wants us to do... That's why he released the news on Sunday.......he wears his heart on his sleeve, and he is internally seething with the amount of disdain being shown to him by the Madam CEO that runs Chelsea purse strings.

JT couldn't keep the bad news to himself and stew on it any longer, he has probably had an idea about being rejected a new contract for some time, as after spending more than 20 years with the club, he is aware of what's going on around him, including gossip leaking from board level and he certainly knows how to play the media game.

The ball is now in the hands of the CEO to either back down and give him a new 1 year contract at wages to be negotiated ( we hope that she sense and does the and quickly ) or make it abundantly clear that he won't be given anything, one way or the other.

As otherwise the media circus pressure on everyone at the club may ( I hope it doesn't, but some of our players seem to be very touchy by what gets said & printed the media........Especially Fabregas ! ) massively impact negatively on our players performance, then the sh*t will hit the fan !

If he does leave, I can't wait for his book to come out and the media to release to us, why most of the dressing room fell out with Jose.

yup, that book would be interesting, not only about this season but the seasons before where we were hit by off field problems..

 

btw, did you just expose the motive behind JT press release? and you condone it? it would be a shame if the negotiation is still ongoing but for JT to claim it otherwise.. don't know about you but it just feels wrong especially for the so called Mr. Chelsea..

 

I could understand the idea of not renewing JT contract but renewing BI contract is illogical and contradicting to the idea of not renewing JT contract.. If it's up to me, both players time are up, appreciate of what they had done but sentimental would do well not to get in the way of the club advancement.. 

 

I'd much prefer if terry retires on a high and goes on the road with us what giggs does for MU now..  

The way Hiddink puts it in todays presser is John has made this news. Maybe his wage demand is a bit too steep and he is using his status to make more money. Fair game as negotiations are negotiations.

JT might have an offer on the table which he is not liking and he says the club wouldn't give him an extension.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/feb/02/guus-hiddink-chelsea-john-terry-new-deal

 

 

 

 

The Dutchman dismissed suggestions of inconsistency in club policy, whereby the hierarchy apparently want to discuss Terry’s future with their eventual choice of new manager in the summer but have already signed the young centre-back Matt Miazga from New York Red Bulls and signed Branislav Ivanovic up to a new 12-month deal. “You have to see every issue in this as an individual case,” Hiddink said. “John is one of the key players: he has been one of the key players, and is still.”

 

what do we infer from this?

 

my guess is that ivanovic is paid less than jt and given his younger age is possibly still regarded a saleable asset (in a way that a 35 year old one club man is not) if the new manager decides he is surplus to requirements.

 

anyway reading the thread it is clear that nevermind the actual facts of the matter, many supporters have interpreted this the way jt probably hoped. I wonder if this might hurt his chances though, can't imagine the club would be happy being openly taken on by one of the players.

The best centre back in PL history and our history is overpaid? I've heard it all now.

 

Yes, at £150,000 a week (roughly Willian and Azpilicueta combined) he is overpaid. He's the third highest on the payroll behind Hazard, Costa, and Fabregas.  He is not the only overpaid player, but the other players are sellable. John Terry cannot and should not be sold. 

 

 

whereas I think Courtois is young enough to build a proper legacy here.

Courtois has turned me off with his conceited and demanding attitude. Then again, that was a few years ago, and he may have changed.

Courtois doesn't strike me as loyal and committed to Chelsea. If a continental Europe top team in the Champions League came knocking and guaranteed him playing time, I get the feeling he'd leave without a second thought.

Say what you will about Ivanovic, but I feel he's committed to Chelsea. Of course no one can compare to JT. As I said in another thread,no one--no owner/administrator, no player, not even the most diehard of diehard fans--loves Chelsea more than JT.

What about Mikel? He's committed to Chelsea. Or Azpilicueta? Willian?

 

The way Hiddink puts it in todays presser is John has made this news. Maybe his wage demand is a bit too steep and he is using his status to make more money. Fair game as negotiations are negotiations.

JT might have an offer on the table which he is not liking and he says the club wouldn't give him an extension.

I have no doubt that Abramovich is a very tough negotiator, so I agree that it's fair game for JT to do what he can to strengthen his hand.  

 

my guess is that ivanovic is paid less than jt and given his younger age is possibly still regarded a saleable asset (in a way that a 35 year old one club man is not) if the new manager decides he is surplus to requirements.

Paid way less, about 40% of JT this season after a big pay cut. Probably another big pay cut in his most recent contract.

I think the club could live another big JT contract but I'm 100% sure this is not over.

I honestly don't think it is unreasonable for the club to hold off on making a decision on Terry's future until a new manager is signed. Isn't that what we have wanted for years now; the manager to have a say in who plays for him? If that is indeed what has happened I see nothing wrong with the clubs stance on this issue. I love Terry to death but if he isn't in the incoming managers plans than I would rather the manager have final say on what happens with the team he will eventually manage. For too long we seem to have been dictating players to the people who are responsible with deciding who plays and where.

I love JT to bits as well, but like you I also think that JT is being selfish and greedy ( but then again most premier league players are )

Basically, The club told him that he has to wait.for a decision about his contract extension because it's a lot of money ( A Lot more than Ivanavitch gets) ......but JT is not prepared to wait.

I remember a few years back when he supposedly nearly joined Man Citeh, that's was all a media circus created by his agent.

I'm bored with it now - I am Out

It Definitely looks like JT is playing a power game, if i was Roman on principle i'd let him go now, i think he has embarrassed himself and the club, just because they aren't ready to commit just yet, hiddink has said as much by his surprise at his revellation..

I vote for Diego Costa as a new captain

Where do we draw the line about "no player being bigger than the club?"

 

I think it could be JT politicking, and I think the timing is kind of poor.  However, was he asked about this directly, or did he just come up with it regarding the sentimentality of it being his last Cup run?

 

I too think that the club have't let the door close completely on this, and it's merely a power play.  I also think it is reasonable for JT and his agent to ask where they stand given the circumstances of his current agreement.  However, to draw parallels between him and Ivan are a little unfair.  As JT said himself, these things can take a couple of months to sort out, so who says teh Ivan deal wasn't started while Jose was still here?

 

Scott

IMO the players agents are greedy c*nts ! they are similar to estate agents and lawyers, they only care about how much money they are gonna earn out of it.

They don't care whether they unsettle others ( fans, the club officials and cause a big stir in the media )

JT's agent should have told JT to play it cool and wait a few weeks, then have more meetings ....lOr maybe he did and JT ignored him, who knows, but I believe it's more than likely that JT's agent may have influenced him to go public, who knows bug the truth will come out eventually !

However it is what it is, but as a consequences it has created a media storm and upset us fans, it's all an unnecessary deflection from the good work we've been doing since Guus has come in.

Money is ruining the enjoyment of football at top level, and more and more ordinary fans are being priced out.

JT needs to do his talking on the pitch !

Outplays most of the team tonight and is struggling to get a contract because he is 35 years old.........ridiculous.

 

The guy gives everything for us in every game he plays, there shouldn't even be a debate whether he get's a new deal or not.

 

It's the other players getting new deals that should be questioned.

Edited February 3, 201610 yr by Scott Harris

I'm wondering if perhaps the club knows who the new manager is, and also knows they don't see JT as part of their plans. Otherwise why wouldn't we handle Ivan the same way and tell him to wait until the summer? This is not just any old player. It is our most successful club captain and our longest standing player in the squad.

Spot on mate.JT has never had pace so thats not an issue.He is playing well and deserves another year.

I'm really puzzled by the timing and circumstance of his announcement. I didn't watch the interview, did JT just say - good win, BTW, I'm leaving Chelsea at EOS? It's only February, plenty of time to sort things out, why now?