I think the manager and the board have both made mistakes. Conte doesn't owe us anything, you'll struggle to find a top class manager these days who would want to stay at the club because they love the club. Contes love is elsewhere, he's here to win trophies. If he asks for Player A or Player B and gets C and believes in his work then he's going get a bit peeved. He will know he can get those players at other clubs. He's still a top manager and once he leaves, I wouldn't be surprised to see him managing top CL club. I have been very much Conte in but I am baffled by some of his decisions but I am also more baffled about the board not investing in quality players. They did it under Jose and they have done it now.

Conte won't be here next season but the board need to give the next manager time if they are not going to invest in players that will take us to another level. If they want to play youth players and develop the squad then we have to give the manager time to develop them into those quality players. I want the next manager to have that, I think we can't compete with the Manchester clubs no more in transfer fees and we should be investing in our youth but the board need to give the manager time or we will be just going round in circles.

Edited May 11, 20188 yr by Sheva

3 hours ago, yorkleyblue said:

I don't think anyone can disagree with posters who have valid reasons for wanting him out, not least his sometimes weird choices for teams and substitutions.  My main complaint is with silly little internet fans who regularly abuse the manager as a "bald c**t" and "wig wearing c**t". Someone else has commented elsewhere that armchair/internet fans have an equally valid viewpoint as regular match-goers.   That's a point of view. I don't necessarily agree, but there are hundreds of sensible posters in here who live abroad and would never ever get to the Bridge, but who I consider to be true fans and very knowledgeable. 

Then there are a very small group of know-it-all, snide, self-entitled internet fans, who get all their information from Sky, BT and google, who have strong and inflexible "opinions" about everything and who generate arguments with lots of other posters, monotonously repeating the same old  google results, insulting the manager for his appearance, not his abilities, and generally falling out with people.  These are all new (post abramovich) "fans", who have chosen Chelsea, probably because we have been successful, but I do not believe are true fans.   True fans, in my opinion,  do not boast about how much they won betting against Chelsea.  Ever.   That's my view, anyway.

Not all Chelsea fans are equal IMO. 

As far as this thread goes some of the most " schrill", ultra competitive, have to get the last word in posters are the very ones who should be the most low key, owing to the fact that they have never attended a game.     

but, but, but, ...... they pay their Sky Sports subscription and have been Chelsea fans all their lives (well, since 2005) and, and, and...........

7 hours ago, Slojo said:

I don't think I saw one supporter who wanted AVB to stay. 

I can't speak for this place, but the vast majority of the members on Talk Chelsea thought things would vastly improve once he had his own players and blamed player power for his sacking (and by all accounts Roman had a similar opinion as it was reported he gave the players a massive dressing down after he sacked Andre, something he didn't actually want to do). I would say the fans i knew back then in the outside world were about 60/40 in favour of keeping him and there was also a banner or two in RDM's first game at Birmingham from the away end basically implying that they blame the players too.

2 hours ago, Sheva said:

I think the manager and the board have both made mistakes. Conte doesn't owe us anything, you'll struggle to find a top class manager these days who would want to stay at the club because they love the club. Contes love is elsewhere, he's here to win trophies. If he asks for Player A or Player B and gets C and believes in his work then he's going get a bit peeved. He will know he can get those players at other clubs. He's still a top manager and once he leaves, I wouldn't be surprised to see him managing top CL club. I have been very much Conte in but I am baffled by some of his decisions but I am also more baffled about the board not investing in quality players. They did it under Jose and they have done it now.

Conte won't be here next season but the board need to give the next manager time if they are not going to invest in players that will take us to another level. If they want to play youth players and develop the squad then we have to give the manager time to develop them into those quality players. I want the next manager to have that, I think we can't compete with the Manchester clubs no more in transfer fees and we should be investing in our youth but the board need to give the manager time or we will be just going round in circles.

Bang on. Feelings of dejavu really. I think a DoF that thinks along the same lines as the coach is our best bet right now to finding a clear way we want to play.

3 hours ago, Ewell CFC said:

Not all Chelsea fans are equal IMO. 

As far as this thread goes some of the most " schrill", ultra competitive, have to get the last word in posters are the very ones who should be the most low key, owing to the fact that they have never attended a game.     

Many people such as myself can’t afford to do go the games. Doesn’t make me any less of a fan. Nor does it make my opinion any less. I don’t get why some people attend the matches act like those that don’t or can’t don’t have an equally valid opinion. 

Something to note aswell people who watch it on TV actually see more of the game, more angles, more replays, close ups etc. So I also think some people who attend games and think they know more about a match need to remember that. 

There is some arrogance about some match going fans in that they act like those that can’t or don’t go are beneath them.

 

I’m not saying this is you btw just making a general statement. 

Also I don’t think any of this has anything to do with the Conte situation.

Edited May 11, 20188 yr by Bobbywoodhogan

41 minutes ago, Bobbywoodhogan said:

Many people such as myself can’t afford to do go the games. Doesn’t make me any less of a fan. Nor does it make my opinion any less. I don’t get why some people attend the matches act like those that don’t or can’t don’t have an equally valid opinion. 

Something to note aswell people who watch it on TV actually see more of the game, more angles, more replays, close ups etc. So I also think some people who attend games and think they know more about a match need to remember that. 

There is some arrogance about some match going fans in that they act like those that can’t or don’t go are beneath them.

 

I’m not saying this is you btw just making a general statement. 

Also I don’t think any of this has anything to do with the Conte situation.

Anyone who watches sky sports, reads online articles, newpapers or goes on Google is not a real supporter. Dont know how people can be judged on how many Chelsea games they have been to, its like a hierachy and the higher up you are the more important your point of view is. 

Edited May 11, 20188 yr by Ernie_blue

23 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

Anyone who watches sky sports, reads online articles, newpapers or goes on Google is not a real supporter. Dont know how people can be judged on how many Chelsea games they have been to, its like a hierachy and the higher up you are the more important your point of view is. 

I’m confused by what you’ve said.

9 minutes ago, Bobbywoodhogan said:

I’m confused by what you’ve said.

I'm just taking the piss because that's been the general theme for a while. I'm suprised we don't have to supply evidence on when we first supported Chelsea and every game we have been too. We are all just too spoilt.

2 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

I'm just taking the piss because that's been the general theme for a while. I'm suprised we don't have to supply evidence on when we first supported Chelsea and every game we have been too. We are all just too spoilt.

Oh sorry haha went over my head 

What I really miss is having such a settled squad, knowing they will stay so we don’t have to worry about replacing them. 

The days of Lampard, Terry etc all we needed to do was focus on the weaknesses and get quality signings in to improve the team.

Nowadays we haven’t got a clue if our best players will stay here for next season, so it makes it difficult to have full focus on addressing the weaknesses in the starting 11. 

If Diego Costa stayed, I’m pretty confident we would have been above Liverpool and Spurs.

 

14 hours ago, Argo said:

Many supporters were willing to stand by AVB despite him showing no signs of progress and an almost certain finish outside the top 4 . Ofcourse you will get the occasional nutjob who wants him sacked just because but in general im certain most fans will be fine if they see genuine progress, people wanting Conte gone runs deeper than mere results.

Sorry Argo that's false. AVB is with Scolari the worst appointment made by Roman.

He was rightly canned for trying to make the club's greatest players, play in a system that didn't fit their ability. 

Of the 5 permanent managers I mentioned earlier AVB was the only one I campaigned against on here.

9 hours ago, Spiller86 said:

 

Sorry Argo that's false. AVB is with Scolari the worst appointment made by Roman.

He was rightly canned for trying to make the club's greatest players, play in a system that didn't fit their ability. 

Of the 5 permanent managers I mentioned earlier AVB was the only one I campaigned against on here.

I can't speak for here as i weren't about, but i was on TC and another forum at the time and the majority wanted to give him a window to sign his players and blamed player power for his demise.

I kind of got what AVB was trying to do in that he was trying to move the team on. But he went the wrong way about it to the point where he was disrespectful to some of the senior players. Have to say that I didn’t really like his personality and that’s the way I feel about Conte. 

Scoalri was by far our worst appointment in the Roman era imo but he was quite likeable as a person I felt.

Edited May 12, 20188 yr by Bobbywoodhogan

1 hour ago, Bobbywoodhogan said:

I kind of got what AVB was trying to do in that he was trying to move the team on. But he went the wrong way about it to the point where he was disrespectful to some of the senior players. Have to say that I didn’t really like his personality and that’s the way I feel about Conte. 

Scoalri was by far our worst appointment in the Roman era imo but he was quite likeable as a person I felt.

I really enjoyed the first two months of Scolari and we were playing great football with such a swagger (arguably that period saw the best football of the Roman era, the Pompey, Villa and Boro games especially were mesmeric), but Rafa of all people turned up to SW6 with a tactical blueprint to stop his system and he simply had no answer from then on.

Edited May 12, 20188 yr by Argo

2 hours ago, Argo said:

I really enjoyed the first two months of Scolari and we were playing great football with such a swagger (arguably that period saw the best football of the Roman era, the Pompey, Villa and Boro games especially were mesmeric), but Rafa of all people turned up to SW6 with a tactical blueprint to stop his system and he simply had no answer from then on.

Funny you mention Rafa, I liked his tikka takka football with Mata, Oscar and Hazard with Demba Ba upfront.

2 minutes ago, Strider6003 said:

Funny you mention Rafa, I liked his tikka takka football with Mata, Oscar and Hazard with Demba Ba upfront.

Im pretty sure Rafa often had Moses in for one of them three for balance sake? 

16 minutes ago, Argo said:

Im pretty sure Rafa often had Moses in for one of them three for balance sake? 

Agree he did as a winger and these were the days we could play 4 or 5 in midfield. 

http://www.bounder.friardale.co.uk/Results/2012.htm#4751

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http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/11368692/tiemoue-bakayoko-gives-backing-to-chelsea-head-coach-antonio-conte

Chelsea midfielder Tiemoue Bakayoko would be “disappointed” to see head coach Antonio Conte leave the club this summer.

 

 

Probably because he knows he won't get such ridiculous undeserved game time anymore. 

23 hours ago, Argo said:

I can't speak for this place, but the vast majority of the members on Talk Chelsea thought things would vastly improve once he had his own players and blamed player power for his sacking (and by all accounts Roman had a similar opinion as it was reported he gave the players a massive dressing down after he sacked Andre, something he didn't actually want to do). I would say the fans i knew back then in the outside world were about 60/40 in favour of keeping him and there was also a banner or two in RDM's first game at Birmingham from the away end basically implying that they blame the players too.

Argo I was literally on TalkChelsea when AVB signed and got sacked and I honestly can't remember anyone there supporting him, TalkChelsea was full of kids who got angry at the manager after a few bad defeats, at least with this forum I could believe people would want to give AVB time. 

On 11/05/2018 at 10:08, RIP Mourinho said:

I was rating the transfer, not his performances. I watched him a lot in his break out season at Roma and he was brilliant before the injury. Arguably as good as Alex Sandro in that league, the fact Juve wanted him as his replacement said a lot. Add that to the fact we got him for £20m in this market and its a brilliant bit of business by the club finally buying someone before their price sky rockets. Hence why i rated it highly on 'rate our transfers'. 

What's the point in screaming for something that will never ever happen with Conte. Would be like when i wanted Batshuayi to be given game time, the bloke ain't going to do it so what's the point.

You said right there "No, Emerson is great, he's by far our best signing" when he barely played one game. That was my point, you're saying a player is great who has came from an untested league and has barely played a game yet, and when you dislike players you'll be very bias on your assessment of them, although not as bad as Will from the inbetweeners is, who thinks we should sell players if we can't find a replacement for them. 

It's like anything good Conte does, you can't give him credit for. 

 

38 minutes ago, Slojo said:

Argo I was literally on TalkChelsea when AVB signed and got sacked and I honestly can't remember anyone there supporting him, TalkChelsea was full of kids who got angry at the manager after a few bad defeats, at least with this forum I could believe people would want to give AVB time. 

I regrettably was one of them that wanted to give AVB time and at one point i made a massive post explaining why in detail and got about 25 likes, which for a forum of TC's size is astronomical. I can't find the AVB thread but this was the post match thread for his last game and the consensus definitely was that it was more the players, Lamps especially.

http://forum.talkchelsea.net/topic/12433-west-brom-1-0-chelsea/

2 hours ago, Slojo said:

You said right there "No, Emerson is great, he's by far our best signing" when he barely played one game. That was my point, you're saying a player is great who has came from an untested league and has barely played a game yet, and when you dislike players you'll be very bias on your assessment of them, although not as bad as Will from the inbetweeners is, who thinks we should sell players if we can't find a replacement for them. 

It's like anything good Conte does, you can't give him credit for. 

 

Look at it from an economical viewpoint and in comparison to our other summer signings. Emerson was/is a brilliant signing. Ivanovic didn't play when he was first signed but he was a great signing for his price too. £20m for someone with his potential and the performances he's already shown is great business. Much better than lets say Morata, for £70m.

If Conte was doing good things i'd give him credit him. I applauded him after the Atletico game. What that he is currently doing should i be giving him credit for? Playing a dead formation? Not being able to change a game? Having preferred players that he refuses to drop for better players? Blowing our only chance of top 4 by resting KEY players?

11 hours ago, Argo said:

I really enjoyed the first two months of Scolari and we were playing great football with such a swagger (arguably that period saw the best football of the Roman era, the Pompey, Villa and Boro games especially were mesmeric), but Rafa of all people turned up to SW6 with a tactical blueprint to stop his system and he simply had no answer from then on.

Yeah it was wonderful, that Porto game will forever stand out. That loss to Liverpool at home was awful, such a hard one to take. It was a shame, the players seemed to be knackered after 60-70 mins aswell after a few months. Thankfully Hiddink stepped in and steadied the ship. I’m convinced the work Hiddink did in that short term really benefited Ancelotti the following season.

16 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Look at it from an economical viewpoint and in comparison to our other summer signings. Emerson was/is a brilliant signing. Ivanovic didn't play when he was first signed but he was a great signing for his price too. £20m for someone with his potential and the performances he's already shown is great business. Much better than lets say Morata, for £70m.

If Conte was doing good things i'd give him credit him. I applauded him after the Atletico game. What that he is currently doing should i be giving him credit for? Playing a dead formation? Not being able to change a game? Having preferred players that he refuses to drop for better players? Blowing our only chance of top 4 by resting KEY players?

I love how you keep upping the Morata price to suit a narrative, very subtle at hiding your agenda there. But you didn't even add Palmieri's bonuses to the transfer... 

There was no mention of money, you literally said "Nah he's a good signing" but..but he has barely pla.."GOOD SIGNING", I guess it's just a shame you didn't take a liking to Morata, otherwise you would probably be defending the living dying soul out of him now.