I STRONGLY disagree with Moses if he is fine to be an impact player. As an impact player we really can't do much better. Direct, can penetrate defences, fast. Who exactly can we get that would be a decent replacement? We are sporting an inferior player in Pedro as a starter.

I also disagree with Djilobodji, as proven in Germany, but that's a lost cause here on this forum.

I'm fine with the rest you listed. Piazon was a dissapointment in the end, Kalas and Omeruo look mid-table defenders. I would give Cuadrado a second chance, but maybe that ship has sailed. Atsu needs to form a career elsewhere.

I thought you would have said atsu and Omerou are the future!

Considering how promising he seemed following his form for Boro, as well as his really good performances for Nigeria at the African Cup of Nations and the World Cup, Omeruo seems to have fallen off the radar a bit. I had always considered him a really good prospect, I hope his injury problems haven't set him back too much.

Considering how promising he seemed following his form for Boro, as well as his really good performances for Nigeria at the African Cup of Nations and the World Cup, Omeruo seems to have fallen off the radar a bit. I had always considered him a really good prospect, I hope his injury problems haven't set him back too much.

He was a good prospect, then he got loaned out again and that pretty much killed off his momentum. 

I  STRONGLY disagree with Moses if he is fine to be an impact player. As an impact player we really can't do much better. Direct, can penetrate defences, fast. Who exactly can we get that would be a decent replacement? We are sporting an inferior player in Pedro as a starter.

I also disagree with Djilobodji, as proven in Germany, but that's a lost cause here on this forum.

 

I'm fine with the rest you listed. Piazon was a dissapointment in the end, Kalas and Omeruo look mid-table defenders. I would give Cuadrado a second chance, but maybe that ship has sailed. Atsu needs to form a career elsewhere.

I do agree with you that Moses would be a good option to have off the bench as he does offer something different to our other wingers and for that reason I would also prefer him in the squad ahead of Pedro.

However he is very prone to injury, and at 25 he is definitely at a stage in his career where he needs to be in the squad or sold on. Personally I would rather give players like Kenedy and Traore the opportunity of game time ahead of him so I would cash in while his value is still reasonably high.

Again I agree with you that Djilobodji is very under rated but he is still pretty raw at 27 and still needs to refine his game. So he isn't really a player you can build your defence around and also would rules him out as a starter for me, and since like Moses there isn't much point of having him on loan and in a season whether there will hopefully be less pressure on the team to perform I would much rather we focused on youth.

 

Edited March 26, 201610 yr by PedroMendez

I thought you would have said atsu and Omerou are the future!

 

I don't think Omeruo career is over yet, but he needs to settle at one club and build his career, not get loaned out. He might make it or not (he never looked out of place at the World Cup and had mostly successful seasons on loan, including this one in Turkey), but he definitely will not make the Chelsea squad and should just be let go to work out his career on his own. He is only 22 years old.

 

Christian Atsu is an enigma. Has had brilliants runs in his career (in Portugal, in Holland, the 2015 African Cup of Nations), but the guy made a bad career choice by joining us (should have stuck with Porto) and most of his loan runs have been terrible. He should just be let go and hopefully he'll get his s... together somewhere else.

Edited March 26, 201610 yr by Jon Stakes

I disagree with the statement about Moses. He has been one of West Ham's worst players this season (not that he's been bad, but West Ham as much as i hate to say it, have been fantastic)

Agree with what someone said earlier. For 1-2 years we looked like we were making really good purchases of young players with great potential - Courtois, De Bruyne, Lukaku, etc... Then all of a sudden we switched to signing hundreds of nobodies, like Hector, Djilbodji, etc...

 

Whoever runs the transfers at this club is awful. Not just the youngsters, but look at the sh*t we keep signing for the first team like Cuadrado, Salah, Falcao, Pato, etc..

Agree with what someone said earlier. For 1-2 years we looked like we were making really good purchases of young players with great potential - Courtois, De Bruyne, Lukaku, etc... Then all of a sudden we switched to signing hundreds of nobodies, like Hector, Djilbodji, etc...

 

Whoever runs the transfers at this club is awful. Not just the youngsters, but look at the sh*t we keep signing for the first team like Cuadrado, Salah, Falcao, Pato, etc..

I keep thinking there has to be an end game to all these loans, there has to be a plan that ends with us cash rich and making quality signings, otherwise what the hell is the point in all these loans.

Agree with what someone said earlier. For 1-2 years we looked like we were making really good purchases of young players with great potential - Courtois, De Bruyne, Lukaku, etc... Then all of a sudden we switched to signing hundreds of nobodies, like Hector, Djilbodji, etc...

 

Whoever runs the transfers at this club is awful. Not just the youngsters, but look at the sh*t we keep signing for the first team like Cuadrado, Salah, Falcao, Pato, etc..

 

 

Exactly. The loan system was great a few years ago when we didn't have as much people out on loan, but we had fewer much better players who could easily make the first team. Now our loan pool is filled with 90% trash that'll never make out first team, and can barely even get games for the lower level teams they play for. 

 

Not to mention the trash we currently have in our first team as you mentioned. Though i disagree with Cuadrado, I think he was just utilised badly by mourinho, but i think if conte was to come in, he will get the most out of him. But signing Pato is one of the worst transfers we've ever made ,even if it was only a loan, it was still awful.

 

I keep thinking there has to be an end game to all these loans, there has to be a plan that ends with us cash rich and making quality signings, otherwise what the hell is the point in all these loans.

 I have no idea at all, but it seems we're more focused on making a quick buck from these loanees instead of actually giving talented players game time to break into our first team in the future. Most the loanees won't ever make first team, so I'm not sure why we're stockpiliing them, might as well sell them off as quick as possible and just keep a few of the talented ones left

Edited March 29, 201610 yr by JJP

Delac

Beeney

Todd Kane

Hector

Omeruo

Djiloboji

Wallace

Piazon

Cuevas

Pasalic

Swift

Chalobah

Houghton

Marin

Van Ginkel

Moses

Pantic

Atsu

Jao Rodriguez

Perica.

Salah

Cuadrado

Feruz

Alex Davie

 

 

Ake

Baker

Brown

Solanke

Kalas

Christensen

Nathan

Angban

Musonda

Bamford. 

 

In my view we need to find the perfect balance of players who do have the potential and can be developed by moves to the right club, those who need to be involved in the first team and those who need to be cut and sold.

 

 

Loan Out        

 

Nathan 

Musonda

Brown

Solanke

Pantic

Joao Rodriguez

Beeney

Wallace (on Loan till end of 2017 season)

 

 

First Team

Baker

Christensen

Van Ginkel

Ake

Bamford 

Pasalic

Cuadrado (Conte really likes him and wanted him at Juve)

 

Sell on

 

Moses

Salah

Marin

Chabolah (hasn't been able to make it)

Atsu (never got going or a chance) 

Piazon (doesn't seem able enough)

Omeruo

Feruz

Kalas (good player but never plays)

alex davey

Perica

Hoguhton

todd kane

Delac

Hector (not sure why we signed him  but don't need him)

Djiliboji* 

Cuevas

Agree with almost all of that. Would still like Chalobah to make it but we messed up his development after his Watford loan. Solanke is a borderline one too and it all depends on what type of loan he could secure. If it's not first-team football of a decent standard then he's better off staying here I think.

Sell

 

Omerou

Kalas

Marin

Salah

Cuadrado

Piazon

Feruz

Delac

Wallace

Chalobah

Van Ginkel

Cuevas

 

could get about £80-100m for these players.

Edited April 7, 201610 yr by Orpington_Blue

I don't see it with Van Ginkel, he looks bang average every time I see him play.

Sell

 

Omerou

Kalas

Marin

Salah

Cuadrado

Piazon

Feruz

Delac

Wallace

Chalobah

Van Ginkel

Cuevas

 

could get about £80-100m for these players.

 

Where do you see the 80-100m coming from? Most of these players won't go for more than 5m with the exception of Cuadrado, Salah and maybe Van Ginkel.

 

Also we've already sold Salah I believe

Where do you see the 80-100m coming from? Most of these players won't go for more than 5m with the exception of Cuadrado, Salah and maybe Van Ginkel.

Also we've already sold Salah I believe

Do the math, its closer to 80 than 100

Do the math, its closer to 80 than 100

 

Did the math, Id say its closer to 50. If you think those players can fetch 100 million, you are out of your mind

Considering how promising he seemed following his form for Boro, as well as his really good performances for Nigeria at the African Cup of Nations and the World Cup, Omeruo seems to have fallen off the radar a bit. I had always considered him a really good prospect, I hope his injury problems haven't set him back too much.

I wont mind him coming back because he has the exposure and confidence. He has played against top strikers like Drogba, Djeko, Messi and proved his quality. He is better than some of our current defenders like Ivanovic, Miazga, and Baba. He versatile and can play anywhere in the defence.

Did the math, Id say its closer to 50. If you think those players can fetch 100 million, you are out of your mind

50 is closer to 80 than 100....

 

Salah and Cuadrado bring in at least 15m each, Van Ginkel maybe 10. That's 40 between 3 of them. Chalobah, Piazon and Kalas are 5 a piece. The rest we'd have to give away

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Edited April 12, 201610 yr by BlueDay

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50 is closer to 80 than 100....

Salah and Cuadrado bring in at least 15m each, Van Ginkel maybe 10. That's 40 between 3 of them. Chalobah, Piazon and Kalas are 5 a piece. The rest we'd have to give away

Yeah I wasnt really talking to you, just a wuoted the last reply. That seems about right, allthough I doubt we would get 15 for both Salah and Cuadrado. Maybe 20 put together

Yeah I wasnt really talking to you, just a wuoted the last reply. That seems about right, allthough I doubt we would get 15 for both Salah and Cuadrado. Maybe 20 put together

 

I think Salah is going for about £15 million and Cuadrado would probably be about the same, if not more.

Do we still own Marin?

Do we still own Marin?

 

Yeah but the wages he is on he won't be going until his contract expires.

How can anyone seriously closely monitor such a vast army of loanees ?

I don't mind having a dozen or so out on loan, with a serious intention of recalling some of them to play for Chelsea but having 30 plus players out on loan is a complete utter nonsense !

The club should only sign players who are good enough, and start using our academy instead of buying a load of Sh*t average people who only come for the money... We need to get our soul and be a proper football club rather than trying to run it as a loan business model.......