2 minutes ago, jack h said:

or.... he should totally ignore Mourinho and not react to anything the has-been ever says.

Nah banters good, give him it back in spades, Sparky has already had a good go....

Nah banters good, give him it back in spades, Sparky has already had a good go....

You can't beat Jose in banter. Beat him on the field. All that matters.

Reminder that the has-been won 2 trophies last year.

11 hours ago, Ballack & Blu said:

Contes presser should be a real retort back at him, start questioning his playing credentials, and his attritional style of play, because he is quickly becoming a tiresome irksome manl, who is a bad bad loser..

Conte will be wise not to play his game. This is Mourinho's territory and he's very good at it. Best thing for Conte is to absolutely ignore him and keep racking up the points. If there's one thing Mourinho hates, it's being ignored and seen as irrelevant. 

Edited September 11, 20178 yr by Drogbaholic

3 hours ago, Stim said:

Reminder that the has-been won 2 trophies last year.

Last season the media kept telling us that Man U were the most expensive team ever assembled, yet they struggled past truly rubbish teams. Even though they won the Europa League, their performance was genuinely embarrassing. 

18 hours ago, kiwi1691 said:

Last season the media kept telling us that Man U were the most expensive team ever assembled, yet they struggled past truly rubbish teams. Even though they won the Europa League, their performance was genuinely embarrassing. 

Was it embarassing or was it exactly how Jose wins trophies? I dont think you'll see many United fans complaining about winning 2 trophies. If Chelsea were in the same boat would we be conplaining? 

The man pretty cleary has his faults and for a couple of years those don't matter. He'll be one of the greatest international managers ever but hopefully he continues to alienate and degrade his club players to an intolerable point after so long

11 minutes ago, TheChelseaBlues said:

Was it embarassing or was it exactly how Jose wins trophies? I dont think you'll see many United fans complaining about winning 2 trophies. If Chelsea were in the same boat would we be conplaining? 

I certainly would be complaining if Chelsea were struggling to get past such European Giants as Rostov and Anderlecht

 

@kiwi1691 Rostov the had trouble with but they played Ajax like a violin.

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Edited September 12, 20178 yr by TheChelseaBlues

Today marks 10 years since Mourinho first departed the club.

Time flies.

This dawn of youth would have never happened under Jose. Looking at his side against Burton(!) you wouldn't be surprised he doesn't play youth/young players. Lukaku, Fellaini, Shaw and Young were all on the bench; almost 200m worth in just those 4. 

1 hour ago, TheChelseaBlues said:

This dawn of youth would have never happened under Jose. Looking at his side against Burton(!) you wouldn't be surprised he doesn't play youth/young players. Lukaku, Fellaini, Shaw and Young were all on the bench; almost 200m worth in just those 4. 

He had Rashford,  Lingard on the pitch and brought on a couple of youth players too.

United have a massive squad. Almost 2 players for each position. 

Shaw is not a starter and has to be given some play time, so why not the bench in the league cup match. Lukaku is their best striker so in case Burton pull off a shocker (2-4 brentford anyone?) or even if united are 1-1 at 80 minutes, why should not he have the option of bringing in lukaku to finish off the game? 

This over critisizing of Jose over each and every thing is getting really tiresome.

45 minutes ago, didierforever said:

He had Rashford,  Lingard on the pitch and brought on a couple of youth players too.

United have a massive squad. Almost 2 players for each position. 

Shaw is not a starter and has to be given some play time, so why not the bench in the league cup match. Lukaku is their best striker so in case Burton pull off a shocker (2-4 brentford anyone?) or even if united are 1-1 at 80 minutes, why should not he have the option of bringing in lukaku to finish off the game? 

This over critisizing of Jose over each and every thing is getting really tiresome.

Rashford is a pretty established player and actually 2nd choice, hardly a good faith move. Same goes for Lingard who must be well into his twenties and is also an established player. The man would never have given 2 unestablished  teenagers a run out here and won't do just yet there. 

If criticism of the dude who put us in 15th half way into a season is too much then what is this thread for anymore? Let's be honest; he says this trophy sucks yet he puts out a team with a bench where every player bar 1 is worth more than the entire club they 're playing against. 

Conte is pushing us forward as a club and team, something Jose was never interested in during his 2nd stint

 

50 minutes ago, TheChelseaBlues said:

Rashford is a pretty established player and actually 2nd choice, hardly a good faith move. Same goes for Lingard who must be well into his twenties and is also an established player. The man would never have given 2 unestablished  teenagers a run out here and won't do just yet there. 

If criticism of the dude who put us in 15th half way into a season is too much then what is this thread for anymore? Let's be honest; he says this trophy sucks yet he puts out a team with a bench where every player bar 1 is worth more than the entire club they 're playing against. 

Conte is pushing us forward as a club and team, something Jose was never interested in during his 2nd stint

 

What did Conte do differently than Jose yesterday?

Lets look at the respective squads of both the teams:

Chelsea 2017-18:

Tibo, Willy, Eduardo

DL, GC, Azpi, Rudi, Christensen, JCS

Moses, Zappa

Alonso, Kenedy

Kante, Baka, Cesc, DD, Scott

Hazard, Pedro, Willian, Musonda

Morata, Bats

 

Man UTD 2017-18:

DDG,Romero

Bailly, Blind, Jones, Lindelof, Darmian, Rojo, Shaw, Smalling, Valencia
Carrick, Fellaini, Herrera,Matic, Pogba
Lingard, Martial, Mata, Mkhi, Young

Lukaku, Rashford, 

So if you compare the teams that started on the weekend, compared to that both the managers started their 2nd string teams. If their bench had lukaku, did not our bench have Morata. Lukaku's worth and transfer fee is immaterial to the argument. BOTH the managers have done the exact same thing, started the bench/not match fit players, and included some youth on the bench coupled with the main strikers.

Jose has always taken Carling cup seriously. It was the first trophy he won with us both the times as well as his first trophy with united. So dont know where and how you got the idea that he undermines this trophy.

Jose was also the guy who won us 3 of our 6 league titles (HALF!!!!!!!), so while you may feel agreived about the way and circumstances he went in, give him the bare respect he deserves. Critisizing him for something our manager did too, is plain stupid.

Mourinho has never said the league cup sucks, why are you making stuff up? It was the first trophy he won with us and he has always asserted it's importance in the season. People's desperation to slag him off is now just embarrassing.

1 hour ago, dkw said:

Mourinho has never said the league cup sucks, why are you making stuff up? It was the first trophy he won with us and he has always asserted it's importance in the season. People's desperation to slag him off is now just embarrassing.

These are Mourinho's quotes about the League Cup. He never said it sucked.

"If you ask me 'could English football survive or be even be better without this competition?' Maybe.

"Maybe we would be fresher for European competition."

"If the competition is an official competition then it is important for Manchester United and for me as a manager,"

"I want the players to think the same way. We have this competition, we have to respect the sponsors, we have to respect the opponents and a lot of us are trying to do our best.

"If we can win it, we win it. If we don't win it it's because the opponents are better than us."

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/41342603

What's the point of trying to prove that Jose wasn't a hypocrite on this one occasion? He's contradicted himself a hundred times on different matters and his general hypocricy is unrivalled among top football management. 

Thanks to Conte's miracles, our squad now looks strong and 'clean'. Jose left our squad and prospects in absolute disarray. We may have been looking at several years of not even challenging 'his' United. 

I see no reason to continue supporting a lying hypocrite who disrespects us given any chance. I do not 'hate' him (obviously) but I have lost any respect I had for Jose who was apparently "one of us".

I'm not even going to bother with the obvious disclaimer here. I can only imagine what many of us would think of him if not for his past achievements.

I don't hold back on him for going to United, he had every right to go, we sacked him.

You might call me stupid but I was more angry at the board for not standing by him. The board had two decisions, either make a point and declare they will not sack Mourinho, which would've been a big strike to player power, or just sack him before it gets worse. Instead, they made the worst decision in just waiting it out when it was obvious the players fell out with him. 

I hate player power, I even hated it under AVB, I still don't like the way Lampard went on just because AVB wasn't playing him. There is no denying Jose is a c**t, but he was our c**t, like Ferguson was United's. He was very tiring and I'm kind of glad to be rid of him for that reason, but I hate the way we finished things. If it wasn't for Conte's miracles we would be more angry with the board then we would be with Mourinho, I'm very sure of that. 

4 hours ago, didierforever said:

What did Conte do differently than Jose yesterday?

Lets look at the respective squads of both the teams:

Chelsea 2017-18:

Tibo, Willy, Eduardo

DL, GC, Azpi, Rudi, Christensen, JCS

Moses, Zappa

Alonso, Kenedy

Kante, Baka, Cesc, DD, Scott

Hazard, Pedro, Willian, Musonda

Morata, Bats

 

Man UTD 2017-18:

DDG,Romero

Bailly, Blind, Jones, Lindelof, Darmian, Rojo, Shaw, Smalling, Valencia
Carrick, Fellaini, Herrera,Matic, Pogba
Lingard, Martial, Mata, Mkhi, Young

Lukaku, Rashford, 

So if you compare the teams that started on the weekend, compared to that both the managers started their 2nd string teams. If their bench had lukaku, did not our bench have Morata. Lukaku's worth and transfer fee is immaterial to the argument. BOTH the managers have done the exact same thing, started the bench/not match fit players, and included some youth on the bench coupled with the main strikers.

Jose has always taken Carling cup seriously. It was the first trophy he won with us both the times as well as his first trophy with united. So dont know where and how you got the idea that he undermines this trophy.

Jose was also the guy who won us 3 of our 6 league titles (HALF!!!!!!!), so while you may feel agreived about the way and circumstances he went in, give him the bare respect he deserves. Critisizing him for something our manager did too, is plain stupid.

I disagree with your point about youth.

Conte has rotated a lot more than Jose ever has, even the youth players get more game time than they usually done under Jose. Yeah sure he's no Arsene Wenger but he's still better than Jose. But is that really hard? Jose played the same team twice a week almost every week. 

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/255777/History/Ruben-Loftus-Cheek

Look at the minutes RLC got last year compared to his time under Mourinho. And back then we only had Fabregas/Matic/Mikel in midfield. 

Just on Jose's teams. The one I like the best was the one the season before we won the title. The Man City game that year is as good as I have seen us play since Carlo.

Just now, Spiller86 said:

Just on Jose's teams. The one I like the best was the one the season before we won the title. The Man City game that year is as good as I have seen us play since Carlo.

Surely not? The season where we had Torres, Ba & Eto'o upfront and no central midfielders? We played some good football that season but our football in the 1/2 of title winning season was far superior.

Although I think I recall that City game, was that the game when Torres was on steroids? The best game I've ever seen by Torres. 

Nah Etoo started that one I think.

Great attack that year with Mata, Oscar, Hazard, Salah, Schurrle.

This game, this was the best game I've ever seen from Torres, he bullied them. 

1 hour ago, Slojo said:

I disagree with your point about youth.

Conte has rotated a lot more than Jose ever has, even the youth players get more game time than they usually done under Jose. Yeah sure he's no Arsene Wenger but he's still better than Jose. But is that really hard? Jose played the same team twice a week almost every week. 

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/255777/History/Ruben-Loftus-Cheek

Look at the minutes RLC got last year compared to his time under Mourinho. And back then we only had Fabregas/Matic/Mikel in midfield. 

Jose was here for half a season with our worst start for decades. Did you really want jose to throw RLC in a team that just seemed broken bottom's up?

I am not saying Jose promotes youth or Conte does. I simply found the post I quoted as really stupid. Conte and Jose did the exact thing last night, which was play their B team; have a couple of youth players on the bench in case their respective teams were 3-0 up and they could be put straight in, as well as have a plan B (morata/lukaku), in case their teams were struggling. Trying to paint Jose in the wrong for last night is just foolish.

4 hours ago, didierforever said:

Jose was here for half a season with our worst start for decades. Did you really want jose to throw RLC in a team that just seemed broken bottom's up?

I am not saying Jose promotes youth or Conte does. I simply found the post I quoted as really stupid. Conte and Jose did the exact thing last night, which was play their B team; have a couple of youth players on the bench in case their respective teams were 3-0 up and they could be put straight in, as well as have a plan B (morata/lukaku), in case their teams were struggling. Trying to paint Jose in the wrong for last night is just foolish.

He wasn't wrong, it just wouldn't have happened under him. I have respect for him but not for the things he didn't or refused to do. The teams both clubs started were quite different. I can factor in transfer prices because it makes my point, he used a team full (bar 1?) of established players against a minnow, no offense to Burton, when we have Conte bringing on teenagers. It's one thing he failed to do that our current manager seems to be making strides in. I don't believe any United player just started or played in their 1st professional match for the club, didn't we have 4? 

1 hour ago, TheChelseaBlues said:

He wasn't wrong, it just wouldn't have happened under him. I have respect for him but not for the things he didn't or refused to do. The teams both clubs started were quite different. I can factor in transfer prices because it makes my point, he used a team full (bar 1?) of established players against a minnow, no offense to Burton, when we have Conte bringing on teenagers. It's one thing he failed to do that our current manager seems to be making strides in. I don't believe any United player just started or played in their 1st professional match for the club, didn't we have 4? 

Did not Jose bring on "youth"? 

I am sorry but I have gone through this in the previous post I quoted you.

conte used the players available to him. Musonda is our 4th choice winger, a part of a squad, not just some random teenager conte picked out of the youth team. Same goes for Kennedy, Andreas.

jose simply has a better squad/replacements at his disposal.