1 minute ago, g3.7 said:

disagree with both points respectfully-

really, in terms of aggressive closing down that is what you want- if you're being closed down high enough and you play out of the press then you've got a great chance to create clean opportunities to score.

having said that, I'm not sure it suits cahill or zouma all that well (or begovic for that matter). but the more you do it the better you'll get. like anything, it is about risk and reward.

on 3 at the back, well in effect we won the title playing three at the back (in a way) under ancelotti- but people said we (or anyone) couldn't succeed without playing 442 in england until jose turned up and did it.

it isn't a popular system, and it needs more coaching and specialist defenders, but in theory I don't see why it couldn't work. 

The chance of the risk being realised in the EPL is too high a percentage IMO. You are relying not just on your defenders having the ability to be comfortable taking the ball in tight, pressured situations, but also on the others being savvy enough with their positioning to make the movements and angles to always provide an out ball.

Not only do we have defenders who are not comfortable with ball at their feet under pressure, (you mention Cahill and Zouma, I would add Ivan and JT too these days), but we also have a defender in Luiz who is pants with his positioning. I just can't see it working.

20 minutes ago, just said:

You often get pressed so high and quickly in this league defenders don't get the time and space to do it. 

Luiz is the man, the man that can buy time. That's what Conte will be saying in his sleep tonight.

Good to see MotD taking our side for once. Chris Sutton was pretty vocal in his condemnation of the ref's performance.

 

He, Jenas and Chapman were unanimous that Cahill has done nothing wrong and should face no FA action.

10 minutes ago, Floyd25 said:

and John Hartson still calling Costa a diver, despite footage showing clear contact, I hate it when pundits can't admit they made a mistake, now he's just making stuff up. 

 

That bum was saying DC is out of control - check him out in practice

Edited September 11, 20169 yr by robdog

@just

I get what you're saying- if anything, for all the talk of cahill's touch today, fer was already on the run to close him down before JT played the pass (i.e. he should've played it elsewhere).

 

I don't expect conte to rethink- I think playing out from the back is something he will want us to do for the most part of every game- personally I'm okay with it. he's a training ground manager, and he will have to be to make it successful with those players. I think what he does with and what he gets from david luiz will define whether he's a success in the end. I'm tired of seeing long balls up to ivanovic positioned in the opposition's half because if he loses that ball he's way out of position (and possibly, hopefully he won't be starting at fullback soon anyway) and neither costa or batshuayi are going to win the ball that often from long goal kicks.

 

That bum was saying DC is out of control - check him out in practice

Yeah that's Hartson deliberately kicking his own team mate in the face after a disagreement in training. How he got a job as a pundit is beyond me.

Should have scored more goals. Then we wouldn't have to worry so much about errors either from the ref or our team.

Ivan and Oscar often criticised but Oscar was excellent today, assist for first goal etc. Ivan assist for second goal and not beaten once although he did play very central in defence.

Hazard tried but often held ball too long, Costa never stopped trying, fantastic bicycle kick, excellent goal really, but his hold up play is just average.

Bad luck for both goals but these things happen. Tibo too scared to leave his area for first goal.

I thought Oscar and William was poor. They simply don't create enough in the final third and you can see the major difference if Fabregas plays who can pick a pass. Problem with Oscar and William is they don't create enough or score enough. Where as Lampard would score 20 goals a season and Fabregas will assist 20 goals a season.

Set pieces are getting beyond a joke now. Just get Zola back for them.

9 hours ago, bola said:

now you annoy me and I'm going to annoy you back..  I don't f**king rate conte, he's way too timid who based his football on safety first.. supposed I could tell you the manner of our 2 wins out of  the 3 in 4 games but it would go to deaf ear in your case so might as welll save the effort..  oh 1 more time, conte annoys me so are you going to explode now mr. judgemental?? 

You didn't "rate" Mourinho either. To say that Conte is "timid" is a rather obtuse characterization to make and is not borne out if one looks at the whole of his managerial career & especially now given that he is very new to the EPL (which of course is a much faster league than Serie A) and in circumstances where he has inherited an unsettled defense. How can he be criticised for our utter profligacy during the 1st half of this fixture or the incompetence (or worse) of the refereeing at crucial moments during the 2nd? Unless and until you answer those questions with a degree of objectivity, I think it's fair to say that most posters on this board will continue to not "rate" you. What say you to that?

Chelsea 'right to feel robbed by referee' at Swansea - Chris Sutton

'Yes, Antonio Conte's side will rue the chances they missed in their 2-2 Premier League draw at the Liberty Stadium, but the bottom line is that Andre Marriner cost them two points.'

+1 on that sentiment

one final take on this fiasco - no one is talking about when fish finger hands took down DC - very similar challenge to Tibo's challenge on Sigurdsson - the contact was there - peeps want to say DC dived (like that idiot color commentator) but look at the challenge again & tell me that wasn't a foul

Edited September 12, 20169 yr by robdog

Some points. We totally controlled the game, Swansea should have played with 10 after 50 or so mins, Branna was very good so was Oscar, Costa was excellent, Courtois had one action in the game and he made it a penalty, Cahill was pretty good and was fouled but he should have been more aware of Fer, Marriner was abysmal, Haz was average.

We need to be more leathal. Swansea was awful and for some reason it ended a draw. Not too concerned.

34 minutes ago, youlots said:

You didn't "rate" Mourinho either. To say that Conte is "timid" is a rather obtuse characterization to make and is not borne out if one looks at the whole of his managerial career & especially now given that he is very new to the EPL (which of course is a much faster league than Serie A) and in circumstances where he has inherited an unsettled defense. How can he be criticised for our utter profligacy during the 1st half of this fixture or the incompetence (or worse) of the refereeing at crucial moments during the 2nd? Unless and until you answer those questions with a degree of objectivity, I think it's fair to say that most posters on this board will continue to not "rate" you. What say you to that?

 

 To be more accurate, I don't rate jose's style and his antics but I respect what he has achieved as a manager.. Btw, what does jose have anything to do with this? isn't it only natural that I don't rate a similar type of manager?  There is a similarity between the 2 in term of gamestyle but not the milestone..

Since you're talking about his managerial career then embrace yourself with the fact that he has yet to achieve anything big apart from scudetto which was a poor league at that time and calciopoli scandal making it difficult for me to take that league seriously..

This so called unsettled defence won the league just 2 years ago so don't make it sound as if they couldn't withstand oppositions coming from lower level just because of what happened last season which was always can not be held accountable considering the breakdown between manager-players...

In an overall, Conte starting XI didn't work, maybe it's enough to not get beaten but not enough to win as we could see in the first 2 games where his 'plan B' that saved the day and adding in this game, it's 3 out of the 4 games, only this time batshuayi was powerless to do anything considering how late he was introduced, bravo to conte that.. cesc was introduced earlier thus able to make a difference with the equalizer and almost scored the winner.. Another case of plan B should be the plan A...

All in all conte has limited us from playing our best XI from the get go, the combination between cesc and costa are great so breaking it up is rather obtuse decision.. Having both oscar & matic on top of kante is taking too much creativity away from the team which doesn't help..

And lastly you don't need to behave equivalent to that of nicompoop by turning this forum into a rating agency between posters..  if by now you can't grasp the idea of a forum where opinion/review differs between each other then, in relation to your question, I have nothing to say..

 

One of the most biased refreed games that i have ever seen. Yes, we should have put the game to bed early on but quite honestly, marriner was atrocious and that was putting it lightly.

People blaming GC are well... I just cant believe it.

Costa was a beast yesterday. Absolutely Bossed it. 

Conte needs to take his fair share of blame. Why did cesc come on at 76th minute. I mean seriously. Whose bloody lob pass created that oppurtunity? Honestly needs to find a way to put cesc into the first team. I am sorry but Cesc just HAS to start games.

Iva was good for a change while Hazard had a shocker. Willian seemed leggy maybe the international games seemed to play some part.

All in All, we were robbed. but honestly, there is massive room of improvement.

waking up still feeling mightily robbed

i know it's early in the season but dropping points against an awful bottom table quality side is still a big blow to our title run, especially with a very rough stretch of fixtures coming & city in fine form                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              

Bitter we didn't get the 3 points but sleeping on it, a point when you've 11 men kicking you and an incompetent ref, a point away isn't so terrible. Last season we'd have got 0 points and a couple of reds.

Why oh why did I turn on Talk Sport this morning? Costa should have been sent of for serial diving, our goal should have been disallowed, we were lucky to get away with it etc. Takes an insane bias to look at that game and feel that Swansea were the aggrieved party. Could just be the usual sh*t-stirring good-cop/bad-cop TS do to get people worked up mind. Either way, turned it off after a couple of minutes.

4 hours ago, robdog said:

Chelsea 'right to feel robbed by referee' at Swansea - Chris Sutton

'Yes, Antonio Conte's side will rue the chances they missed in their 2-2 Premier League draw at the Liberty Stadium, but the bottom line is that Andre Marriner cost them two points.'

+1 on that sentiment

one final take on this fiasco - no one is talking about when fish finger hands took down DC - very similar challenge to Tibo's challenge on Sigurdsson - the contact was there - peeps want to say DC dived (like that idiot color commentator) but look at the challenge again & tell me that wasn't a foul

 

Got to say I didn't think there was a lot in that challenge. Even Costa was grinning after. Totally different to Courtois on Sig as he clearly missed the ball and tripped him.

Thought Costa was our clear MOTM yesterday and Swansea clearly targeted him for some treatment and probably hoped he would react and get a red card. But I do wish he wouldn't make so much of minor challenges. A few of those yesterday - fair enough but there were a a couple where he rolled about like Drogba used to in his early days and when you're a great big bloke like that, capable of dishing it out, don't roll about like a girl. He should be bouncing straight back and letting the defenders know who is the boss.

 

 

 

 

Edited September 12, 20169 yr by Nibs
mistake

Listening to TalkSport last night was infuriating. Everyone was more than happy talking about how Costa should have been sent off for the 'dive' (no mention of the contact) and shouldn't have been on to score the goal. They then went on to talk about how Costa should have been sent off at some point in every game this season. 

 

There was absolutely no mention of the foul on Cahill for the goal at all or any condemnation on Fer or how Amat should have been sent off several times. 

 

Ridiculous. 

On the plus side, we have already earned five points with late goals this season...something that wasn't in our armoury last season

Disappointing not to win after all our chances. Undone by sloppy mistakes, one from Courtois and the other from Marriner. Once more it's the inconsistency of officiating that's infuriating. He turns a blind eye to several potential second yellows from Amat, but moments later misses the double foul on Cahill that led to their second. Costa was MOTM. Ivan had a good game as well. Don't say it too loudly, but I think he's been good this season so far.

3 hours ago, didierforever said:

Conte needs to take his fair share of blame. Why did cesc come on at 76th minute. I mean seriously. Whose bloody lob pass created that oppurtunity? Honestly needs to find a way to put cesc into the first team. I am sorry but Cesc just HAS to start games.

Not only that but I thought he was slow to react when when we went behind. Why wait almost 15 minutes before changing things? Say what you will about Jose, but he would have brought on attacking subs immediately.

 

 

Edited September 12, 20169 yr by Englishman

54 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Listening to TalkSport last night was infuriating. Everyone was more than happy talking about how Costa should have been sent off for the 'dive' (no mention of the contact) and shouldn't have been on to score the goal. They then went on to talk about how Costa should have been sent off at some point in every game this season. 

 

There was absolutely no mention of the foul on Cahill for the goal at all or any condemnation on Fer or how Amat should have been sent off several times. 

 

Ridiculous. 

Exactly the same on 606 last night. Talk about setting the agenda. The media just decided to have a go at Costa and to overlook the grotesque error by the ref. Even Graham Pol admits we were hard done by due to his incompetence and pointed out that this was the ref who missed the Aguero elbow from three feet away in his previous game. 

MotD highlighted his positioning for the Cahill incident and he was about 50 yards behind play. That may explain why he had no clear view of the foul, but being close to the incident didn't help him two weeks ago. He's just an atrocious ref. From the kick-off I knew we 'd get shafted by him. True, we should have put about 6 goals in to prevent him determining the outcome, but the fact is, his incompetence did dictate the game.

Is Marriner not the same ref that sent Gibbs off for the Ox hand ball against us? 

 

Absolutely shocking ref.

Swansea 17 fouls / 3 bookings

Chelsea 9 fouls / 4 bookings

Three Swansea players amassed more fouls than the entire Chelsea team (Fernadez 3, Amat 5, Fer 4, = 12 fouls / 2 bookings).

Amat was booked on 48 minutes for his 3rd foul in the game, he then made 2 more fouls in the next 10 minutes, but Mariner refused to show another yellow, in fact he had a word with him and the Swansea captain, then 5 minutes later Swansea were 2-1 up.

 

refs aside, need to be more ruthless in front of goal, should've put the game to bed in the first half, perfect example :

seeing it again jeez that was torres level bad, idk if its because of our sh*tty luck or just pure human error from diego, should've gotten a hattrick

48 minutes ago, Englishman said:

Disappointing not to win after all our chances. Undone by sloppy mistakes, one from Courtois and the other from Marriner. Once more it's the inconsistency of officiating that's infuriating. He turns a blind eye to several potential second yellows from Amat, but moments later misses the double foul on Cahill that led to their second. Costa was MOTM. Ivan had a good game as well. Don't say it too loudly, but I think he's been good this season so far.

Not only that but I thought he was slow to react when when we went behind. Why wait almost 15 minutes before changing things? Say what you will about Jose, but he would have brought on attacking subs immediately.

 

 

 

Nah Mourinho would have brought Mikel on and try to hold onto the point. 

8 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

 

Nah Mourinho would have brought Mikel on and try to hold onto the point. 

And why not? Considering the lack of resilience in midfield yesterday perhaps we needed Mikel (or Luiz). Kante wasn't great tbh.

Edited September 12, 20169 yr by the special one