I didnt know this about Alonso

On 2 May 2011, Alonso was arrested following his involvement in a car accident in Madrid. He was the driver of a car that collided with a wall, killing one of the passengers, a 19-year-old woman, having been driving at 112.8 km/h in wet conditions in a 50 km/h zone, with a blood alcohol level of 0.93 mg per litre.[23][24] He faced 21 months in prison when sentenced in February 2016, but his punishment was changed to a €61,000 fine and a driving ban of three years and four months, which had already been spent.[25]

42 minutes ago, jack_super_class said:

I didnt know this about Alonso

On 2 May 2011, Alonso was arrested following his involvement in a car accident in Madrid. He was the driver of a car that collided with a wall, killing one of the passengers, a 19-year-old woman, having been driving at 112.8 km/h in wet conditions in a 50 km/h zone, with a blood alcohol level of 0.93 mg per litre.[23][24] He faced 21 months in prison when sentenced in February 2016, but his punishment was changed to a €61,000 fine and a driving ban of three years and four months, which had already been spent.[25]

Hmm. I did not know that either. Kind of makes me wish we hadn't bought him.

47 minutes ago, jack_super_class said:

I didnt know this about Alonso

On 2 May 2011, Alonso was arrested following his involvement in a car accident in Madrid. He was the driver of a car that collided with a wall, killing one of the passengers, a 19-year-old woman, having been driving at 112.8 km/h in wet conditions in a 50 km/h zone, with a blood alcohol level of 0.93 mg per litre.[23][24] He faced 21 months in prison when sentenced in February 2016, but his punishment was changed to a €61,000 fine and a driving ban of three years and four months, which had already been spent.[25]

So he's killed someone. Through drink-driving no less. 

Ive gone off him a bit. 

23 hours ago, Zeta said:

I'd give him MotM today.

I gave him motm. 

1 hour ago, jack_super_class said:

I didnt know this about Alonso

On 2 May 2011, Alonso was arrested following his involvement in a car accident in Madrid. He was the driver of a car that collided with a wall, killing one of the passengers, a 19-year-old woman, having been driving at 112.8 km/h in wet conditions in a 50 km/h zone, with a blood alcohol level of 0.93 mg per litre.[23][24] He faced 21 months in prison when sentenced in February 2016, but his punishment was changed to a €61,000 fine and a driving ban of three years and four months, which had already been spent.[25]

I know this is serious but is very different from a premeditated offence. Everyone deserves a second chance. 

Judgement post judgement like the comments below yours make a mockery of the concept of justice. 

6 minutes ago, ashwin said:

I know this is serious but is very different from a premeditated offence. Everyone deserves a second chance. 

Judgement post judgement like the comments below yours make a mockery of the concept of justice. 

The woman who died doesn't get a second chance at life.

37 minutes ago, Zeta said:

The woman who died doesn't get a second chance at life.

True.

But criminals need to work towards reform, recovery etc. and we need to work towards making them productive members of society or else what is the point of a justice system? 

Lets not jump to conclusions here. I just googled the drink drive limit for Spain and it's 0.5 mg per ml of blood (0.8 mg/ml in the UK). That's equivalent to 500 mg/l. So if Alonso really measured 0.92 mg/l then he was about 500 times under the limit.

1 hour ago, Zeta said:

The woman who died doesn't get a second chance at life.

The woman who died was the only one in the car not wearing a seat belt, everyone else was fine.  

Edited April 9, 20179 yr by kiwi1691

I don't think there is a solid argument on either side, no one will ever have piece from this, and I doubt Alonso will either, it was stupid but not malicious, if it was my daughter I'd want to kill him , If he wasn't son I'd want to protect him ... there is no black and white. Punishment probably should have been a bit sterner for me as an unaffected party it's not for me to judge 

11 hours ago, kiwi1691 said:

The woman who died was the only one in the car not wearing a seat belt, everyone else was fine.  

Oh then she deserved it 

He's served his punishment and i'm sure he regrets it more than anything else in his life. No point holding it against him. 

Shouldn't be allowed near the wheel of a car again regardless.

13 hours ago, bluedave said:

Lets not jump to conclusions here. I just googled the drink drive limit for Spain and it's 0.5 mg per ml of blood (0.8 mg/ml in the UK). That's equivalent to 500 mg/l. So if Alonso really measured 0.92 mg/l then he was about 500 times under the limit.

No matter how low the limit is, it's really quite useless to compare it to other countries. A driver should know the legal limit, and a lack of knowledge of the law is no excuse. Better not drink any alcohol before driving, accept the responsibility as a driver. Plus, a passenger not wearing a seat belt should be a reason for the driver not to start driving or to evict the passenger. The combo of driving under the influence and accepting a passenger not wearing is seat belt is stupid and criminal, a person died. His sentence is a bit on the light side in my opinion - still, nobody improved as a person in prison - but that is not his fault. Doubtlessly/Hopefully, Alonso regrets it deeply.

1 hour ago, Valerie said:

No matter how low the limit is, it's really quite useless to compare it to other countries. A driver should know the legal limit, and a lack of knowledge of the law is no excuse. Better not drink any alcohol before driving, accept the responsibility as a driver. Plus, a passenger not wearing a seat belt should be a reason for the driver not to start driving or to evict the passenger. The combo of driving under the influence and accepting a passenger not wearing is seat belt is stupid and criminal, a person died. His sentence is a bit on the light side in my opinion - still, nobody improved as a person in prison - but that is not his fault. Doubtlessly/Hopefully, Alonso regrets it deeply.

Do you actually check that everyone in your car at all times is wearing a seat belt? Especially as the law puts the onus on the passenger not driver. If I get pulled up by the cops and a passenger isn't clicked,he/she gets fined not me. I'm not advocating being nonchalant but it's not very practical and possible to check every one is wearing a belt always.

Marcos Alonso has insisted Chelsea are mentally strong enough to cope with the pressure of holding off Tottenham Hotspur’s continued pursuit of the Premier League title.

Alonso capped Chelsea’s 3-1 victory at Bournemouth on Saturday evening with a superb free-kick to maintain a seven‑point lead over second-placed Spurs, who had cut the gap to four for a few hours by beating Watford 4-0 at lunchtime. Chelsea will face a similar situation next weekend too, with Tottenham playing Bournemouth at home on Saturday before Chelsea travel to Manchester United on Sunday.

“I think the team does well whenever we have pressure on us,” Alonso said. “We know what we are playing for, motivation is 100% and I think we played a good game. Someone said in the changing room that we know the most important thing is our result, that’s what we have to focus on, especially in training during the week to be ready for the game.

“We knew the Tottenham score before the game so we knew we could only win, we knew it was going to be a tough game but I think the team played a good 90 minutes and we got the three points.”

Tottenham are in imperious form having won their past six league matches while Chelsea have won successive games after a surprise 2-1 home defeat against Crystal Palace. Antonio Conte’s side require 15 points from their remaining seven games to be certain of regaining the title they last won two years ago under José Mourinho.

“We have seven finals left, every game is going to be massive, we are going to have to play each game as the last one because we need the points to get closer to the title,” Alonso, the former Bolton Wanderers full-back, said.

“The group is fantastic. We all know where we are going, we are all going in the same direction and that’s very important. The starting XI and the players who are not playing so much, the staff is all together and that’s very important. That’s a big thing and it’s going very well this year.

“Every game we win is a strong message for the other teams. We’ve been there almost all season, we are showing we want to be there, we’re playing very good and fighting for it and that’s what we need yo keep doing.”

The only negative for Conte is that Chelsea have not kept a clean sheet in the league since 22 January, against Hull City, although the Italian shrugged off any defensive concerns by emphasising the importance of victories at this stage of the season.

“I think we saw last week, we defended very well, we were compact together,” Alonso said. “We are conceding more goals but credit to the other teams as well. They are doing well and we will try to keep more clean sheets, but there’s always a good team in front of us trying to score goals. So we need the same focus, same concentration and [we move] on to the next one.”

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/apr/09/marcos-alonso-chelsea-tottenham 

38 minutes ago, abister1 said:

Do you actually check that everyone in your car at all times is wearing a seat belt? Especially as the law puts the onus on the passenger not driver. If I get pulled up by the cops and a passenger isn't clicked,he/she gets fined not me. I'm not advocating being nonchalant but it's not very practical and possible to check every one is wearing a belt always.

I hardly drive anymore, but in the olden days, yes, I did check that everyone was wearing a seat belt. It's a safety rule, and a rule of law. If you don't like it, get out of my car.

1 minute ago, Valerie said:

I hardly drive anymore, but in the olden days, yes, I did check that everyone was wearing a seat belt. It's a safety rule, and a rule of law. If you don't like it, get out of my car.

I am constantly reminding my mother to put hers on when she gets in the car with me- I don't want to be the pallbearer at her funeral any time soon. 

 

2 minutes ago, Valerie said:

I hardly drive anymore, but in the olden days, yes, I did check that everyone was wearing a seat belt. It's a safety rule, and a rule of law. If you don't like it, get out of my car.

My car bleeps like mad if someone isn't wearing one, think most modern cars are the same.

3 hours ago, Valerie said:

No matter how low the limit is, it's really quite useless to compare it to other countries. A driver should know the legal limit, and a lack of knowledge of the law is no excuse. Better not drink any alcohol before driving, accept the responsibility as a driver. Plus, a passenger not wearing a seat belt should be a reason for the driver not to start driving or to evict the passenger. The combo of driving under the influence and accepting a passenger not wearing is seat belt is stupid and criminal, a person died. His sentence is a bit on the light side in my opinion - still, nobody improved as a person in prison - but that is not his fault. Doubtlessly/Hopefully, Alonso regrets it deeply.

 

I think your response must be directed at an amalgam of other posters rather than to me personally. I only said that, if the information in that wikipedia extract is correct, Alonso would not have been driving under the influence (by any country's standards).

I never mentioned anything about seat belts, and I have no idea where that information came from and how reliable it is, but I do believe that if an adult passenger neglects to wear a seat belt then she shares the responsibility for the consequences of that negligence.

 

Edited April 10, 20179 yr by bluedave

I insist that the person next to me wears a seatbelt if I am driving (when I remember) but of course, the driver often has other things to think about and can easily forget. The responsibility for their own lives really lies with each person and I do not agree that the driver is in the least culpable if any passenger does not find the need to be safe.

Modern cars have simplified this with the incessant beeping...

4 hours ago, Chelsbear said:

Shouldn't be allowed near the wheel of a car again regardless.

Because of drunk driving, or having an accident? Or is the combination worse than just drunk driving without an accident? Or should every person who has ever driven being even marginally over the limit be banned from driving?

Just trying to understand your thought process here.

5 hours ago, Blueblur said:

Oh then she deserved it 

 

1 hour ago, Blueblur said:

I am constantly reminding my mother to put hers on when she gets in the car with me- I don't want to be the pallbearer at her funeral any time soon. 

 

So does your mother deserve to die?

(sorry for the morbidity but this is a morbid subject and you did say that someone else deserved to die which was a ridiculously ignorant statement)

6 minutes ago, ashwin said:

Because of drunk driving, or having an accident? Or is the combination worse than just drunk driving without an accident? Or should every person who has ever driven being even marginally over the limit be banned from driving?

Just trying to understand your thought process here.

Drunk driving resulting in someone losing their life.

Anyone who has a drink and gets behind a wheel is an utter c**t IMO.

I've first hand seen and dealt with the consequences of someone drinking and ending a persons existence due to this and it's devastating impact it has one countless people.

Why do it? You know it's illegal, you know it's wrong and you know what COULD happen. I'll never condone that

 

3 minutes ago, ashwin said:

 

So does your mother deserve to die?

(sorry for the morbidity but this is a morbid subject and you did say that someone else deserved to die which was a ridiculously ignorant statement)

I was being sarcastic, ashwhine