Take it with a pinch of salt but stories in a few tabloids about Moura joining us, and Willian going to China.

 

I doubt there's any truth to it personally but you never know.

As an upgrade on Willian i like it. Having said that, i'd rather get rid of a winger and get someone in from another position. 3-5-2 is much better than the 3-4-3 so we don't need as many wingers. 

Don't think he's an upgrade on Willian at all, probably worse. At least Willian plays well for Brazil. 

13 minutes ago, Remodez said:

Don't think he's an upgrade on Willian at all, probably worse. At least Willian plays well for Brazil. 

couldn't care less how they perform on the international stage, it matters what they do for club. He scored 19 goals last year, Willian hasn't come close to that output whilst being at Chelsea. Also 4 years younger. 

He's like the Brazilian Walcott to me, no thanks

Id take him. I think he would do well in England. Not sure why we have to raise funds by selling Willian though. 

Not sure he'd add anything over Willian. In many ways he has similar issues. Great skills but little end product. Return of the Special Juan for free in the summer is my vote.

29 minutes ago, Spiller86 said:

Not sure he'd add anything over Willian. In many ways he has similar issues. Great skills but little end product. Return of the Special Juan for free in the summer is my vote.

There's some very interesting players running out of contract in the summer. 

Mata

Sanchez

Ozil

Can

Goretzka

Meyer 

de vrij

asamoah 

Some bargains to be potentially had, although I'm sure we would have to pay massive wages, especially to the likes of Sanchez. Id love mata back as an impact sub though. 

7 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

couldn't care less how they perform on the international stage, it matters what they do for club. He scored 19 goals last year, Willian hasn't come close to that output whilst being at Chelsea. Also 4 years younger. 

Willian got 12 last season and 11 the season before. It's not as good as Lucas Moura's stats, but it's worth noting that Willian is playing in a much tougher league.

I'm not sure there is much in this story. Willian has said he wants to stay in England to gain British citizenship. It's also a world cup year and going to China in January could really damage what could be his last chance to play in a world cup.

Also, if we are going to be bringing in a winger better than Willian, he needs to be better than Pedro too. Lucas Moura may well be better than Willian, but i'm not sure if he is an upgrade on Pedro. Pedro has this knack for scoring goals out of nowhere and just when we need them, that isn't something that is easy to replace.

In all honesty, i don't think Lucas Moura is anything special and i think we can do much better.

13 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

couldn't care less how they perform on the international stage, it matters what they do for club. He scored 19 goals last year, Willian hasn't come close to that output whilst being at Chelsea. Also 4 years younger. 

I know you dont like Willian. But do you honestly think Moura is the answer. We need someone to take the pressure OFF hazard, not add more to it.

I just hope we go all in for Sanchez, even if we have to sell willian to cover for his wages. Definitely would be worth it.

9 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

Willian got 12 last season and 11 the season before. It's not as good as Lucas Moura's stats, but it's worth noting that Willian is playing in a much tougher league.

I'm not sure there is much in this story. Willian has said he wants to stay in England to gain British citizenship. It's also a world cup year and going to China in January could really damage what could be his last chance to play in a world cup.

Also, if we are going to be bringing in a winger better than Willian, he needs to be better than Pedro too. Lucas Moura may well be better than Willian, but i'm not sure if he is an upgrade on Pedro. Pedro has this knack for scoring goals out of nowhere and just when we need them, that isn't something that is easy to replace.

In all honesty, i don't think Lucas Moura is anything special and i think we can do much better.

Going to China worked wonders for Paulinho's career. Willian isn't getting many minutes at chelsea, it could be what he needs.

As for Lucas, no i don't think he is the answer to all of our problems. I personally don't think we should go back to a 3-4-3 and should invest in other positions. If Willian were to go we'd still have Eden/Pedro/Musonda fighting for the position behind Morata/Bats/Whoever else be bring in.

3 hours ago, didierforever said:

I know you dont like Willian. But do you honestly think Moura is the answer. We need someone to take the pressure OFF hazard, not add more to it.

I just hope we go all in for Sanchez, even if we have to sell willian to cover for his wages. Definitely would be worth it.

As above reply to Scott.

25 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Going to China worked wonders for Paulinho's career. Willian isn't getting many minutes at chelsea, it could be what he needs.

As for Lucas, no i don't think he is the answer to all of our problems. I personally don't think we should go back to a 3-4-3 and should invest in other positions. If Willian were to go we'd still have Eden/Pedro/Musonda fighting for the position behind Morata/Bats/Whoever else be bring in.

As above reply to Scott.

Fair enough. I would honestly keep willian till the end of season. Selling him would mean buying a replacement, be it a CM (which would hamper RLC) or a back up winger (we are 1 injury away to going back to 3-4-3 anyways). 

He's like a younger Willian with slightly better end product.

Not too sure about him after what happened with Cuadrado. South American wingers tend to be hit and miss.

Only problem is once we put Willian on sale, you know Jose will ring up and somehow he will cut a deal with us. I don't think Willian will get better, so a younger Brazilian at a similar level is good for us.

If we are serious about playing 352 then it's a bit of a pointless signing really.

16 minutes ago, dan_cfc said:

If we are serious about playing 352 then it's a bit of a pointless signing really.

Unless he can also be the playmaker ala Di Maria for Real Madrid.

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At the very least, he's more positive than Willian at taking on opponents when Willian 90% of the time dribbles the ball backwards

5 minutes ago, Deino said:

Unless he can also be the playmaker ala Di Maria for Real Madrid.

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At the very least, he's more positive than Willian at taking on opponents when Willian 90% of the time dribbles the ball backwards

Just out of curiosity, are there reliable links to prove that 90%?

30 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

Just out of curiosity, are there reliable links to prove that 90%?

Nope. Caught me there but the stats do show that Willian has a negative possession score this season probably due to him not being in good form at the moment.

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#premier_league/2017/2018/willian/819/819/7145/0/p|premier_league/2016/2017/willian/819/641/7145/0/p|ligue_1/2017/2018/lucas_moura/822/822/4038/0/p|ligue_1/2016/2017/lucas_moura/822/629/4038/0/p#total_forward_passes/total_backward_passes/total_passes/successful_passes/pass_completion/key_passes/chances_created/avg_pass_length/successful_take_ons_%/fouls_suffered/successful_take_ons/total_duels_%/goals_scored/possession_score#avg

I used average per game but you can use whatever metric. They are similar type of players but the stats don't take into account of playing styles of the team so take it with a pinch of salt.

So, as it stands, last season's stats pretty much show that they're pretty similar with Willian the better dribbler but Lucas having more end product. This season Lucas played so little so it's hard to gauge.

No thanks!
Still hold Willian to a high enough regard, he's just going through a tough patch.
Any Premier League team would take Willian, he'd go straight in 16/20 starting line ups.
 

On 15/11/2017 at 19:38, jack_super_class said:

He's like the Brazilian Walcott to me, no thanks

Basically this is the case.

Lucas is absolute pony.

7 hours ago, TomCFC85 said:

No thanks!

Still hold Willian to a high enough regard, he's just going through a tough patch.
Any Premier League team would take Willian, he'd go straight in 16/20 starting line ups.
 

 

22 minutes ago, BordeauxBlue said:

Basically this is the case.

Lucas is absolute pony.

I second both of these, I dont think Lucas is any sort of improvement over Willian other than age. Plus Willian hates Tottenham 

 

Interesting vid - remember Lucas played more footy last year and in Ligue 1 too.

 

They say one of his strenghts are keeping hold of the ball though ... not so sure about that.

On 17/11/2017 at 22:41, BordeauxBlue said:

Interesting vid - remember Lucas played more footy last year and in Ligue 1 too.

 

They say one of his strenghts are keeping hold of the ball though ... not so sure about that.

Willian's strength is holding onto the ball, I'd say, moreso than crossing.