Scott Harris Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) After tonight's performance from the ref, i think they deserve their own thread to point out just how awful they are. VAR has been bought into football to assist refs in decision making ( or from my point of view, correct their amateurish mistakes ) and tonight we had a ref completely ignoring it on two occasions for reasons only he knows. The foul on Willian ( and it was a foul ) he was booked for, that alone made me angry, but i was saying to myself "it's fine, he will go to VAR and correct his decision"........nope. Instead of the ref taking a few seconds to ask for VAR, he ignored it completely and carried on with the game. It doesn't end there though, the official who was in charge of VAR said it wasn't a "clear error" from the ref so the penalty wouldn't have been given even if VAR was used and Willian still would have been booked......except that it WAS a clear penalty and Willian clearly DIDN'T dive, so it was a CLEAR ERROR from the ref!! This isn't a hard call, you don't have to be a qualified ref to see this. Now the Morata situation. As i have said in other threads, if that was Harry Kane, it would have been given, there is no doubt about it. I have seen penalties given plenty of times over the years for that. Not getting a penalty i can live with, because after all, it has to be a clear error from the ref, and a lot of people seem to be unsure about it ( i personally thought it was a penalty ) but to book the player for diving ? What a joke. He was clearly pulled by the defender, it's not a dive. Even if he did go down too easy, he was clearly being obstructed by the defender. But once again, this all could have been sorted had the ref just gone to VAR. Why would he refuse to use it ? what does he gain by ignoring it ? Why am i not surprised that the first major VAR controversy has gone against us, and twice in one game ? I hated the way it was used in the Confederations Cup and the same issues with it are happening now. But it's not the system that is wrong, it's the refs. Seriously, this is the only sport where i see the refs consistently getting things wrong. They are even pissing up VAR, something Cricket, Tennis and Rugby got right pretty much from the off. It's infuriating seeing these constant mistakes from the refs and i'm finding that it is ruining my enjoyment of this sport. I feel like i am constantly waiting on a decision or non decision from a ref rather than paying attention to the game. Their mistakes are that bad that they are talking points almost every weekend and midweek. You even have French League refs kicking footballers and sending that player off afterwards How can the most popular sport in the world have such dreadful officials, and when they have technology in place to help them too !? Edited January 18, 2018 by Scott Harris axman2526, Backbiter, Ukraine Bolt and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMaher94 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Agreed. You can guarantee that if it was Old Trafford, there would have been two penalties given tonight. English players get such an easy rub of the green in this country. Alli + Kane should have both seen red when they played City but both got away with it. Rooney over the years has got away with it many times as well. Absolute joke. Slojo, Bobbywoodhogan and Scott Harris 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strider6004 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, JMaher94 said: Agreed. You can guarantee that if it was Old Trafford, there would have been two penalties given tonight. English players get such an easy rub of the green in this country. Alli + Kane should have both seen red when they played City but both got away with it. Rooney over the years has got away with it many times as well. Absolute joke. Agree apart from booking Pedro they got it really wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMaher94 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Just now, Strider6003 said: Agree apart from booking Pedro they got it really wrong. Pedro should have been sent off for the dive alone, that was pathetic. Willian was a definite penalty, Morata could have gone either way. Could you imagine if Willian had picked up a booking before the penalty claim? Brighton away looks tough now. Jamesc88 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strider6004 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 I actually think despite our recent poor form we might punish Brighton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtwelch Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 I'm sorry but when one of your players dives you run the risk of not getting other decisions. We brought it on ourselves. the special one 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChelsRVA Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 we got three yellows for simulation. Pedro, certainly very blatant. Willian's was actually a penalty, and morata's happens almost every game and I have never seen it called for simulation. His reaction to the ref was always a yellow though, you can't do that. The point that needs to be made was on two occasions VARshoiod have been used to reverse cards given. Not only that but willians was a penalty (although I can see why it was not given the first time around). Ref stunk today but was not the reason we were in that situation... EmeraldBlue and ashwin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robdog Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Hey OP, correct the title - English Refs in Football are Unacceptably Terrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Harris Posted January 18, 2018 Author Share Posted January 18, 2018 41 minutes ago, rtwelch said: I'm sorry but when one of your players dives you run the risk of not getting other decisions. We brought it on ourselves. That is a sh*t excuse. If a ref ever said they booked a player for diving because another player in the team dived, they would never ref another game again. Also, there was one clear dive in the whole game, that was from Pedro. If the ref is punishing the rest of the team because of one player, then he shouldn't be a ref. It's also like i said above, he had no reason to not use VAR in these situations. What is the point in VAR if the refs won't use it when it's needed the most ? I remember back a few months when the Confederations Cup was on, i was saying that VAR should be taken out of the refs hands because of badly it was being used. Do it like Cricket, let the players or even the manager have a few reviews per game. The way it is now won't work. Refs are too arrogant, a lot of them will refuse to use it. From their point of view, if they use it, they would be questioning their own ability to see things clearly as a ref. Ukraine Bolt, Backbiter and Stim 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Harris Posted January 18, 2018 Author Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, robdog said: Hey OP, correct the title - English Refs in Football are Unacceptably Terrible Nah, because i don't think it's just in England that we have this problem. They are awful, but at least they aren't kicking other players like they do in France......yet Edited January 18, 2018 by Scott Harris robdog 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axman2526 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Scott Harris said: After tonight's performance from the ref, i think they deserve their own thread to point out just how awful they are. VAR has been bought into football to assist refs in decision making ( or from my point of view, correct their amateurish mistakes ) and tonight we had a ref completely ignoring it on two occasions for reasons only he knows. The foul on Willian ( and it was a foul ) he was booked for, that alone made me angry, but i was saying to myself "it's fine, he will go to VAR and correct his decision"........nope. Instead of the ref taking a few seconds to ask for VAR, he ignored it completely and carried on with the game. It doesn't end there though, the official who was in charge of VAR said it wasn't a "clear error" from the ref so the penalty wouldn't have been given even if VAR was used and Willian still would have been booked......except that it WAS a clear penalty and Willian clearly DIDN'T dive, so it was a CLEAR ERROR from the ref!! This isn't a hard call, you don't have to be a qualified ref to see this. Now the Morata situation. As i have said in other threads, if that was Harry Kane, it would have been given, there is no doubt about it. I have seen penalties given plenty of times over the years for that. Not getting a penalty i can live with, because after all, it has to be a clear error from the ref, and a lot of people seem to be unsure about it ( i personally thought it was a penalty ) but to book the player for diving ? What a joke. He was clearly pulled by the defender, it's not a dive. Even if he did go down too easy, he was clearly being obstructed by the defender. But once again, this all could have been sorted had the ref just gone to VAR. Why would he refuse to use it ? what does he gain by ignoring it ? Why am i not surprised that the first major VAR controversy has gone against us, and twice in one game ? I hated the way it was used in the Confederations Cup and the same issues with it are happening now. But it's not the system that is wrong, it's the refs. Seriously, this is the only sport where i see the refs consistently getting things wrong. They are even pissing up VAR, something Cricket, Tennis and Rugby got right pretty much from the off. It's infuriating seeing these constant mistakes from the refs and i'm finding that it is ruining my enjoyment of this sport. I feel like i am constantly waiting on a decision or non decision from a ref rather than paying attention to the game. Their mistakes are that bad that they are talking points almost every weekend and midweek. You even have French League refs kicking footballers and sending that player off afterwards How can the most popular sport in the world have such dreadful officials, and when they have technology in place to help them too !? Mr wenger is that you in disguise? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icecoolguy22 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Because some ( this) referee just loves to make a name for himself and be the headline ( see his predecessor Claterrberg). He just couldn't wait to waive a yellow in the name of punishing divers.. look at me, I'm fixing the diving in football! F* C**, ok, don't deserve to be shot Scott Harris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stim Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) WHAT'S THE f**kING POINT OF VAR IF THEY CAN DECIDE TO JUST NOT USE IT Ref should have a f**king headpiece in with var officials telling him what happened 100% of the time, not just when he decides to ask for it. Edited January 18, 2018 by Stim Scott Harris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 While i was also upset at the refereeing at the risk of upsetting everyone here...VAR can only be used for1. Goals2. Penalties3. Red (not yellow) cards4. Mistaken identityIn the case of Willian and Morata going down. It's the penalty call being reviewed, not whether Willian or Morata should have received yellow cards for diving. That was outside the remit of VAR and was the referees call.Is that a flaw in the system? Quite possibly. But that's the system in its current form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 There are plenty of f**king stupid rules in football. Yellow card for lifting your shirt after scoring a goal for example... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbywoodhogan Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 I just think we saw how pointless VAR was. They didn’t go to it when asked and we heard on the stone wall pen we should have got for Willian the VAR ref sided with the ref on the pitch. So it seems they won’t go against their own anyway so what’s the point of it? Scott Harris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisright1 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Baffling I've never understood booking for diving. You can never know it was a dive. So refer it to your report and punish after the game. But when VAR is active, instead of booking just go to the review! If the review says dive, book. If it says penalty, pen! Willian was bad refereeing. But morata was arguably worse. Why book him instead of just checking. The anger wouldn't be there if he had checked in that moment of the game. Terrible game management Scott Harris and strider6004 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 I personally hate it when people suggest it's either a dive or a penalty. It can be neither. The referee today would have been wise to consider that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abister1 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Stim said: WHAT'S THE f**kING POINT OF VAR IF THEY CAN DECIDE TO JUST NOT USE IT Ref should have a f**king headpiece in with var officials telling him what happened 100% of the time, not just when he decides to ask for it. That to me is a fundamental flaw. Means a referee with an agenda will not ask for it and just overrule all VAR decisions due to having final say. It should be given to the bench of each side, like to have a maximum of say 2 "asks" per half (as in ask for VAR to review). Scott Harris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stim Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Obv oppo fans are praising the ref for taking a 'hard stance on diving or dissent' but can't wait for that to disappear on the weekend again and go back to normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ukraine Bolt Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Not only the bookings and the penalties but there was also an offside against Bats in the first half. The ref blew straight away so Bats just hit a half hearted shot into the keeper. Had play have continued he could have squared it to Pedro and it be an open goal. Why not just let the play continue for an extra 3 seconds then review it afterwards. If it's offside, fine. Blow up after and give Norwich the freekick. If not we're 1-0 up and it's looking a lot easier. Why try to implement VAR if the people using it are sh*te? Scott Harris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkw Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 What makes the Morata one even more galling is a Norwich player went down in the box in exactly the same way under pressure from ampidu earlier, and the ref did nothing, no mention of a dive or anything, just gave a goal kick and the game carried on. Backbiter, Scott Harris and boomerdog 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkw Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Also, I guarantee refs all over the country will receive worse abuse from players this weekend and do nothing, hell that Muppet last night got worse during the game than what Morata gave him. Stim, Scott Harris and Backbiter 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisright1 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Qaz said: I personally hate it when people suggest it's either a dive or a penalty. It can be neither. The referee today would have been wise to consider that Absolutely, I cannot understand why bookings are ever given for "dives". More than half the time they aren't a dive. Pedro shouldn't have been booked. The ref should have referred it to the panel after the game and get a 3 match ban. Willian and Morata, impossible to know from the refs point if they were diving. Refer the decision to VAR. Then make a decision. I hate VAR, i think it has been implemented dreadfully but last night wasn't the fault of VAR, it was the fault of an absolutely sh*te ref. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisright1 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, dkw said: Also, I guarantee refs all over the country will receive worse abuse from players this weekend and do nothing, hell that Muppet last night got worse during the game than what Morata gave him. Because he didn't use VAR. It was one of the worst ref performances I've seen, he let the occasion of a 3rd round replay get to him. He had VAR as a weapon to protect himself but decided to go old school and piss everyone off instead. He could have handled that Morata decision with VAR and there wouldn't have been any complaints. Ditto Willian. Instead he forced his own view on the occasion. In some circumstances the ref needs to slow the pace of the game down and let the players calm down, he had no intention of doing that. Edited January 18, 2018 by benjsross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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