Rumors coming out we've had preliminary talks with Jardim to replace Conte. 

https://twitter.com/DuncanCastles/status/981550813087719424

I didn't even have him on the radar when I saw this but the more I think about it the better it sounds. He's won everywhere he's been, Sporting, Olympiacos, including beating P$G for the league title at Monaco. He knows how to work within a budget and pretty clearly knows how to work youth into his teams. I remember reading a tactical breakdown for his Monaco sides but cant find it right now.

http://outsideoftheboot.com/2017/09/19/tactical-philosophy-leonardo-jardim/

 

 

Edited April 4, 20188 yr by TheChelseaBlues

Perhaps Bakayoko would improve under him?

Can't see him lasting 6 months, I think he's tactically naive and it will get exposed in the Premier League.

Edited April 4, 20188 yr by the special one

4 hours ago, the special one said:

Can't see him lasting 6 months, I think he's tactically naive and it will get exposed in the Premier League.

Dude has managed in 3 different countries. What do you mean by naive?

would be imo great to see him as our new coach. also integrates youth in his team and can form talented players to world class players. but I seriously doubt that our board will employ somebody who wants to form a team of the existing material that he has at hand, which would probably mean 1 or 2 seasons without any trophy....

6 hours ago, TheChelseaBlues said:

Dude has managed in 3 different countries. What do you mean by naive?

Considering the quality of the leagues I don't think it really matters how many countries Jardim has managed in. By naive I mean he seems to persist with 4-4-2, we already get overrun with a midfield two and it won't change if we play 4-4-2 next season. For me we need someone who can get the best from a 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 hybrid but can also perhaps utilise 3-4-3 if necessary.

36 minutes ago, lampard8_ said:

also integrates youth in his team and can form talented players to world class players.

Aston Villa tried that, got relegated 

Edited April 5, 20188 yr by the special one

Can see him being the guy we choose. Fits the bill, has won titles, brought through youth and plays attractive football.

We'd certainly need less of a squad overhaul vs Sarri or Tuchel. Be nice if he could bring Fabinho with him.

Btw love how anyone playing 4-4-2 is seen as tactically naive. Didn't seem so naive when he knocked Pep out of the CL and won Ligue 1 over PSG with 10 times the budget. 

Edited April 5, 20188 yr by Spiller86

28 minutes ago, Spiller86 said:

Btw love how anyone playing 4-4-2 is seen as tactically naive. Didn't seem so naive when he knocked Pep out of the CL and won Ligue 1 over PSG with 10 times the budget. 

For me 4-4-2 is essentially crapshoot football, it may work in a one off cup tie but over the course of a season I don't think our current squad is good enough to score more than we concede, but each to their own. Tbf to Jardim he does have previous history playing 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 (i.e. at the Emirates when they won 3-1) so I'd be happy to give him the benefit of the doubt. Along with Fabinho hopefully he brings Luis Campos with him (Campos was sporting director at Monaco when they signed Lamar, Mendy, Bernardo Silva, Bakayoko).

 

Edited April 5, 20188 yr by the special one

I just don't care anymore. Long gone are the days when I'd get excited wondering who our next manager would be and what they could bring to the club. Why get excited when they'll be gone in 2 years and we'll have to "transition" again.

17 minutes ago, Zeta said:

I just don't care anymore. Long gone are the days when I'd get excited wondering who our next manager would be and what they could bring to the club. Why get excited when they'll be gone in 2 years and we'll have to "transition" again.

Oh how I've learned the hard way when Scolari came in. I've been bitter ever since 

i think any club would get rid of a manager if they were supposed to be challenging or making top four, but end up falling out of top four. football is a business a lot more now, it's important our business partners are kept happy otherwise it will have negative financial consequences. 

Edited April 5, 20188 yr by enigma

2 hours ago, the special one said:

For me 4-4-2 is essentially crapshoot football, it may work in a one off cup tie but over the course of a season I don't think our current squad is good enough to score more than we concede, but each to their own. Tbf to Jardim he does have previous history playing 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 (i.e. at the Emirates when they won 3-1) so I'd be happy to give him the benefit of the doubt. Along with Fabinho hopefully he brings Luis Campos with him (Campos was sporting director at Monaco when they signed Lamar, Mendy, Bernardo Silva, Bakayoko).

 

We'll have to agree to disagree on that. Simeone is probably the best pound for pound manager going around and he almost exclusivily uses a 442. Formation is only a vehicle to execute a strategy. For mine the style that both Simeone and Jardim use where they place great emphasis on being very compact and using their front two to force the ball to the wings and then press the ball using the touchline as an extra defender is very effective. 

I think we would need another wide player to come in who is adept at pressing (like Willian) and a top class box to box CM to partner Kante. I think at this point you'd have to play Hazard in the front two as he simply doesn't work enough off the ball to fit that sort of system. 

Anyway I think he is a better option than Tuchel, Enrique or Sarri who would need us to totally change our squad. Campos is interesting. Lille could well be relegated using a similar model to the one he tried successfully at Monaco so I wouldn't entirely bank on him.

1 hour ago, Spiller86 said:

We'll have to agree to disagree on that. Simeone is probably the best pound for pound manager going around and he almost exclusivily uses a 442. Formation is only a vehicle to execute a strategy. For mine the style that both Simeone and Jardim use where they place great emphasis on being very compact and using their front two to force the ball to the wings and then press the ball using the touchline as an extra defender is very effective. 

I think we would need another wide player to come in who is adept at pressing (like Willian) and a top class box to box CM to partner Kante. I think at this point you'd have to play Hazard in the front two as he simply doesn't work enough off the ball to fit that sort of system. 

Anyway I think he is a better option than Tuchel, Enrique or Sarri who would need us to totally change our squad. Campos is interesting. Lille could well be relegated using a similar model to the one he tried successfully at Monaco so I wouldn't entirely bank on him.

Lille actually have some very talented young players, the trouble is there aren't really any experienced players or leaders there to balance out the naïvety of youth. At Monaco they had the likes of Falcao, Moutinho, Glik, Raggi etc. to provide that. Personally I feel like we're a bit short in the leadership department (despite having a fair amount of experience), so that'd certainly be something to watch out for if we went down that route.

6 hours ago, the special one said:

Considering the quality of the leagues I don't think it really matters how many countries Jardim has managed in. By naive I mean he seems to persist with 4-4-2, we already get overrun with a midfield two and it won't change if we play 4-4-2 next season. For me we need someone who can get the best from a 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 hybrid but can also perhaps utilise 3-4-3 if necessary.

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Suppose we should call Conte naive because he persists with a certain formation. He has only one mentality and is apparently clueless when it comes to adjusting or straying from his initial gameplan.  

For me it's a benefit that Jardim has coached in different countries and been exposed to different styles of play. He's been successful wherever he's been so I would say that if he is naive it seemed to work well in Greece, Portugal, and France. I'd imagine he's well versed tactically having been those places and dealing with all the different styles in each country. If anything Enrique and Tuchel may be less tactically inclined because they've only ever coached in one country. 

18 hours ago, the special one said:

Can't see him lasting 6 months, I think he's tactically naive and it will get exposed in the Premier League.

He's one of the most adaptable managers around. His 14/15 side were widely known for defensive football and his 16/17 side were known as the great entertainers.

He's one of the most adaptable managers around. His 14/15 side were widely known for defensive football and his 16/17 side were known as the great entertainers.

I think he would be the best solution of all coaches we were linked with, especially when tuchel is most likely going to psg. what he achieved with monaco last year with the given budget and players was quite impressive imo. would love to see the same attacking football at the bridge!

Quick question. If we get this bloke and he plays the 4-4-2, where does Hazard fit in? Imagine he'd be wasted as a wide midfielder instead of a winger and isn't really good enough to play up top.

 

 

(Bring back Batshuayi for ST in 4-4-2 pls)

Same spot as Mbappe played. There's a stigma with playing 4-4-2 in the wide positions that I don't see being true with Jardim. His wide players get well forward and are basically wingers in possession. They also float inside if I'm correct which Hazard is often doing on his own when the shackles are off. 

 

Who knows, maybe at his next job Jardim won't play 4-4-2. IDK if he's had that system for his entire career or he's adjusted to the players he has at Monaco. 

9 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Quick question. If we get this bloke and he plays the 4-4-2, where does Hazard fit in? Imagine he'd be wasted as a wide midfielder instead of a winger and isn't really good enough to play up top.

 

 

(Bring back Batshuayi for ST in 4-4-2 pls)

 

The same role Mbappe played, Falcao was a typical striker in that formation while Mbappe played more of a supporting role with license to roam. Also the likes of Lemar and Silva weren't your typical wingers and came inside a lot, Mendy and Sidibe provided a lot of width for them

They played more of a 4-2-2-2 than a 4-4-2

 

While I'd prefer Tuchel I wouldn't be too sad at bringing in Jardim. He's been successful where ever he's been and has a history of bring young players through and developing them 

If we were to play a 442, I would hope that hazard plays left wing, and signed someone who is more of a goalscorer to play off morata. 

Then we need a quality centre midfielder to partner kante and we would be good to go I think. 

Sergej or Fabinho would be great in midfield, and maybe someone like Werner to play up top.

There's no wing in a 4-4-2

Only wide midfielders, which is a different role

21 minutes ago, Eden17 said:

There's no wing in a 4-4-2

Only wide midfielders, which is a different role

Pedantic.

Google giggs and beckham, and im sure you will find they are described as wingers in the most famous 442 of the last 25 years. 

Edited April 7, 20188 yr by big blue

1 hour ago, big blue said:

Pedantic.

Google giggs and beckham, and im sure you will find they are described as wingers in the most famous 442 of the last 25 years. 

Just did, both are described as midfielders

11 minutes ago, Eden17 said:

Just did, both are described as midfielders

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/1720086-the-15-best-wingers-in-world-football.amp.html

Alex Ferguson, and Arsene Wenger, both described as playing a 442 with wingers. Maybe you tell them that it doesn't exist in 442. 

Or are you getting confused by the names of the positions you use on fifa? 

Dude, no need for rudeness and sarcasm.

I thought two adults could have a civilized disagreement...