6 minutes ago, mclovin83 said:

He was yards away from him wasn't he?!

On the 2nd pass yes yards away on the first pass he leant forward and swung like a slap, it must have missed by centimetres.

8 hours ago, mclovin83 said:

I feel obliged to respond to this one, as it is something I have seen a lot of since the game from everyone ranging from Chelsea fans, to the media, to rival fans.

I have even seen Liverpool fans outraged and offended on Mourinho's behalf. This is a fan base who have loathed the man for over a decade, and who refused to ever give him any credit or respect as Chelsea manager on the grounds that Chelsea's success under him was "bought". A fan base who have sung the very words "f**k off Mourinho" in every game they have ever come up against him, are now jumping to his defence when Chelsea fans do it. It's almost as if they couldn't give a sh*t about him, but that this is just a nice big stick to beat Chelsea fans with.

 

As someone who used to worship the ground that Mourinho walked on, my take of the situation is this:

- In a nutshell respect is, and always will be, a two way street. Juan Mata was applauded by the "classless" Chelsea fans every time he came up to take a corner, and again when he was subbed off. Zola was given a hero's welcome every time he returned as West Ham Manager. So there are two examples of former players and Managers, who have joined rivals, and still been given a hero's welcome on their return.

- Furthermore, Jose Mourinho himself returned with Inter in 2010, knocked Chelsea out of the Champions League, and didn't receive any 'abuse' what so ever.

-Before we get into why he may have received 'abuse' this time around, let's just get that in perspective. The 'abuse' consisted of approximately 10 seconds of "f**k off Mourinho" in the 96th minute in response to Mourinho seemingly trying to attack a member of the Chelsea dugout. At the time it was unclear who or why he was trying to attack anyone, but it certainly appeared he was the aggressor, as he was being physically restrained whilst going in the direction of the Chelsea technical area.

- As I said before, respect is a two way street. It was always going to be difficult to continue to love Mourinho whilst United Manager, but not impossible. In my opinion, Mourinho has made no effort what so ever to maintain his legacy as a fans favourite at Stamford Bridge, and in fact has shown it a complete disregard. Lets break that down...

- After the 4-0 defeat at Stamford Bridge, Mourinho took the defeat very badly (to say the least). He was outraged that Conte celebrated the 4th goal, and attempted to give him a telling off (obviously in full view of the camera, not behind closed doors). This then continue for the following season and a half, with Mourinho going to war with Conte in childish fashion, resorting to making references from anything ranging from match fixing to hair loss. It was as petty and disrespectful as you can get, and Conte deserved his criticism too, but Mourinho didn't need to go to war with Conte, he chose to.

- After victory at Old Trafford under Mourinho decided to wait until the camera was on him once again, and then proceeded to thump Manchester United crest several times to the camera. Now I am not one to get precious about something like this, after all he was Manchester United manager, but again I would ask why he felt it necessary to do this? If he was interested in preserving his legacy as a Chelsea fan favourite, then I'm thinking after inflicting defeat on his former club (and the fans that once worshiped him), he may choose not to do this.

- Upon his second defeat at Stamford Bridge, Mourinho got involved with the Chelsea fans and chose to gesture to them with his three fingers to signify the three titles that he won with us. Emphasis on with us, not for us. This was apparently in reaction to negative chants which were reported to be "You're not special anymore". Fairly tame stuff, and something you would think he may be able to rise above, Hell, he could have even hit back in his post match interview with something along the lines of "Chelsea fans can say what they want about me, but I will always love them for the faith they showed me in my darkest moments". That would have been an example of him acting like a 55 year old man who was taking the high ground and directing his comments at an entire fanbase for their loyalty over the years, not a select few who chanted something in the heat of the moment. Instead, he decided to go with this:

"The fans can call me what they want. I am a professional. I defend my club. Until the moment [Chelsea] have a manager that wins four Premier Leagues for them, I’m the No1. When they have somebody who wins four Premier Leagues for them, I’ll be No2. For this moment, ‘Judas’ is No1.”

In my opinion, it was childish, petty, and drove a wedge between many Chelsea fans who probably never sung a bad word about him. He chose to refer to himself as "judas" despite there being no such chant. At best, his comments were super defensive, at worst they were inflammatory.

- He has made various comments about United being a bigger club than Chelsea during his time there. I actually don't care about these comments- United are a bigger club than Chelsea, but once again I would question why he needs to go on record spelling it out. One such example is ""Chelsea is a big club. Liverpool is a big club,” Mourinho said, before adding: “Manchester United is a super big club.". Basically, he could have said that United were the biggest club in the world, but he chose to mention Chelsea and make it clear that United are bigger.

- On Sunday, (albeit under provocation), he decided to try and chase down the Chelsea assistant Manager to physically confront him for celebrating. People can make their own minds up about whether that was justified or not. After the incident he walked over to the travelling United supporters and applauded them. He then turned to the Chelsea fans (the family enclosure I will add) and did his three finger gesture again. Here we have a 56 year old man, a multi millionaire no less, getting involved with hand gestures to the family enclosure because he didn't like a chant directed at him. he could have been the bigger man, he chose not to be....

- In his post match interview there was no positive words to say about the club, as there never has been in any of his post match interview (win, lose or draw), and he chose to say United controlled the game (despite having less possession, less shots, less shots on target, less corners and less passes). No credit given at all.

 

I quote Mourinho himself  "When you go to your direct rival the love affair is over"

This was obviously reference Lampard moving to City, but I think this is the way he see's it; Mourinho has well and truly moved on- he cares about United, and himself. He doesn't care about preserving his legacy as a Chelsea fan favourite. I think that is clear. He is happy to go to war with anyone and everyone at the club, from Conte to the fans. And that is what he has done.

Had Mourinho chosen to behave differently, I am certain he wouldn't have been subjected to the 'abuse' he has received.

 

Wow, one of the best, thought out, and superbly composed posts I've ever read, and totally spot on. I was one of the many, standing on my seat, " shouting "f**k of mourinho", an excuse could of been I was caught up in the hysteria of Barkley's 96th minute goal, but sitting here on  Monday evening I would do it again, Mourinho  deep down is an insecure little man that really wants to be loved, but the bloke hasn't realised that sadly he's alignated the one set of fans that did love him once .

15 hours ago, chi blue said:

Wow, one of the best, thought out, and superbly composed posts I've ever read, and totally spot on. I was one of the many, standing on my seat, " shouting "f**k of mourinho", an excuse could of been I was caught up in the hysteria of Barkley's 96th minute goal, but sitting here on  Monday evening I would do it again, Mourinho  deep down is an insecure little man that really wants to be loved, but the bloke hasn't realised that sadly he's alignated the one set of fans that did love him once .

Thank you.

I was singing it in the MHL, and I will sing it again.

I believe you reap what you sow, and when Mourinho chose to go to war with Conte (behaving like a child in doing so) he took on the fans as well. He doesn't care, so why would we?

The (currently fashionable) opinion that Chelsea FC and the fans alike should forever be in his debt for the trophies we won together is bizarre. We are no more in his debt that he is in ours.

The ironic thing (that you allude to) is that the Chelsea fans who are now being branded as "classless" stuck by Mourinho when everyone, and I do mean everyone, had turned on him. We were singing his name when we were 16th in the league and looking in a worse state than we had been in for 20 years. Rival fans were loving his demise, the media were loving his demise, and Jose was picking fights with everyone inside the club that you could think of, and had of course lost the dressing room..... but Chelsea fans stuck with him to the bitter end. We had his back and showed blind loyalty.

Can you imagine if Mourinho has United in 16th place; do you think their supporters would be singing his name? Most wanted him sacked a month ago.

 

Edited October 23, 20187 yr by mclovin83

 

I never saw the match stats & the talking heads never said anything about these stats either - all I heard/saw was how unlucky manure were

Jose Mourinho in his programme notes for the United V Juventus Champions League game last night:

"Naturally it was disappointing and frustrating not to take three points from Saturday's visit to Stamford Bridge," Mourinho wrote. "We played so, so well that it was hard to take that we only got a draw. The boys were brilliant, we had control of the game and I have never heard Stamford Bridge so quiet in all my time in England.

 

Obviously the bit about controlling the game is amusing in itself when you look at the stats, but no more needs to be said on that.

The comment about the atmosphere is the bit which only further reinforces the opinion I have displayed on this forum over the last few days. It's a dig at Chelsea fans, plain and simple.

Firstly it's obviously a complete lie. The atmosphere was not great (12:30 kick off's rarely are), but to suggest it was worse than any atmosphere he experienced at Chelsea Manager in his combined 5 seasons at Chelsea is ridiculous.

Then there is the obvious irony. He says the Stamford Bridge crowd were "so quiet", yet we were clearly loud enough for him to hear us and make him react by giving it large to the family enclosure at the end. It clearly got to him and he bit at the time, and is still talking about it four days later.

You have to ask yourself why he would still be talking about Chelsea fans in his programme notes four days later. Does he really think his teams performance was that great that it silenced the home crowd? Do me a favour. Look at the stats again if needs be. So why bring up Chelsea fans at all? What relevance do we have to the build up of a Champions League game against Juventus?

By still talking about Chelsea fans four days later he makes himself look obsessed, reminiscent of a biter, jealous ex, lets be honest.

I think he is still furious about how the game ended, the result, the way the stadium erupted in the 96th minute, and the fact he ended up getting jeered off. I think he was seconds away from doing his own celebration; fist pumping, running to the away end, thumping the crest... I am sure he had it all planned in his head and was seconds away from being able to be 'the man'...... but it got ruined and he is still angry.

So, in true Mourinho fashion, he wanted to have the last word. Another dig at Chelsea fans. He is desperate to keep United fans on side, and he knows this will endear himself to them. He is not stupid. A lot will lap it up.

It's sad that he is attempting to mock a fan base who once genuinely loved him, to desperately try and score brownie points with a fan base who are indifferent towards him. But he is a desperate man.

Perhaps if he had thought more about Juventus in the build up to the game, rather than talking about Chelsea fans, his team may not have been so outclassed on the pitch...

Edited October 24, 20187 yr by mclovin83

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2018/oct/23/david-squires-on-jose-mourinho-big-day-back-at-chelsea-manchester-united-football-cartoon

Comedy Gold

Certainly Ianni deserved to be charged for undisciplined provocative  behavior that sets a bad example to all and although José wrong to react entirely understandable. You can’t insult visiting management at all it’s grossly improper. Respect in professional and in all walks of life towards all but particularly guests.....

4 hours ago, mclovin83 said:

I think he is still furious about how the game ended, the result, the way the stadium erupted in the 96th minute, and the fact he ended up getting jeered off. I think he was seconds away from doing his own celebration; fist pumping, running to the away end, thumping the crest... I am sure he had it all planned in his head and was seconds away from being able to be 'the man'...... but it got ruined and he is still angry.

I make you right there. 

Didn't really think of it before but Barkley slamming home a last minute equaliser meant that he was denied the chance to strut around the Stamford Bridge pitch as if he owned it... And we all know he'd have loved it. Still, jumping up and confronting someone celebrating meant he got to hog the back pages in the end though.

The man is egocentric. He lapped up the love of Chelsea fans whilst he was here but cares little for what we think of him now because by disrespecting us it means he keeps United fans on his side. It's all part of the circus that is Jose. 

4 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

I make you right there. 

Didn't really think of it before but Barkley slamming home a last minute equaliser meant that he was denied the chance to strut around the Stamford Bridge pitch as if he owned it... And we all know he'd have loved it. Still, jumping up and confronting someone celebrating meant he got to hog the back pages in the end though.

The man is egocentric. He lapped up the love of Chelsea fans whilst he was here but cares little for what we think of him now because by disrespecting us it means he keeps United fans on his side. It's all part of the circus that is Jose. 

Anyone who thinks he would have won gracefully is kidding themselves.

He is so clearly desperate to keep the United fans on side as he knows his job depends on it. The way he stood in front of the Stretford end applauding for 30 seconds after one of his recent embarrassing defeats said it all. He's never needed to do that before as his brand delivered results...

1 hour ago, ozboy said:

Certainly Ianni deserved to be charged for undisciplined provocative  behavior that sets a bad example to all and although José wrong to react entirely understandable. You can’t insult visiting management at all it’s grossly improper. Respect in professional and in all walks of life towards all but particularly guests.....

Oh don't be such a girl.  He celebrated an equalising goal  when all looked lost, by running along the touch-line in front of Mourinho.  The same Mourinho who, as quoted in the Telepgraph

"Cristiano Ronaldo's dramatic last-gasp winner at the Bernebeu against Manchester City led to a sliding celebration from Real coach Jose Mourinho. "

"Mourinho made a memorable touchline dash at Old Trafford, in 2004, when his Porto side scored a last-gasp equaliser to knock Manchester United out of the Champions League first knockout round, 3-2 on aggregate."

"While at the helm at Inter Milan, there was also a frenzied late celebration against Udinese, involving a couple of boxing fists, a tongue wiggle and a lively jump to match."

 

So, don't get all precious about us celebrating.  Stewards should have let him confront Ianni, and see how far his bully-boy bluster got him against a younger, fitter man.  Mourinho knew exactly what he was doing, he knew the stewards would hold him back so that he didn't have to actually DO anything, but he also knew that this would become the story,  not that his team were mostly outplayed, dominated and got lucky with their two shots on target.

Just on the Mourinho thing.

He can pretty much go f**k himself.

He cant expect respect for all hes said about Chelsea since hes taken over Utd, whats embarrassing is that Chelsea fans are backing him up or are still loyal to him. I used to love JM but even towards the end of his 2nd term he was a pale shadow of the guy who won over people with his charm and wit, instead replaced by a broken, insecure man who at any opportunity has to remind us what he won while Chelsea manager.

Looking at a few Utd forums too or Utd supporting buddies, those idiots are fully behind JM too, like we were before, not being able to see the wood from the trees with JM is seriously dangerous as Utd are now defending him as if hes won 3 PLs with them.

I for one hope JM stays at Utd for a long time because theyre going nowhere fast under him and spending millions every year.

I used to love JM, I used to have respect for him but hes far too petty and bitter now a days, hes like an ex who never fully moves on with life trying to drag you down and backwards while you're trying to better yourself and move on from the toxic relationship you once had.

Mourinho was our manager for the first time fourteen years ago. You'd think we, as a fanbase, would have learnt how he behaves by now. 

He has always said or done this kind of petulant nonsense, even when he still had his machismo and his mojo. To hate or insult him now for doing the exact same thing while at a different team a decade-and-a-half later is frankly ridiculous. Actually engaging with the points he makes is entirely pointless. 

Edited October 24, 20187 yr by PloKoon13
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6 hours ago, yorkleyblue said:

Oh don't be such a girl.  He celebrated an equalising goal  when all looked lost, by running along the touch-line in front of Mourinho.  The same Mourinho who, as quoted in the Telepgraph

"Cristiano Ronaldo's dramatic last-gasp winner at the Bernebeu against Manchester City led to a sliding celebration from Real coach Jose Mourinho. "

"Mourinho made a memorable touchline dash at Old Trafford, in 2004, when his Porto side scored a last-gasp equaliser to knock Manchester United out of the Champions League first knockout round, 3-2 on aggregate."

"While at the helm at Inter Milan, there was also a frenzied late celebration against Udinese, involving a couple of boxing fists, a tongue wiggle and a lively jump to match."

 

So, don't get all precious about us celebrating.  Stewards should have let him confront Ianni, and see how far his bully-boy bluster got him against a younger, fitter man.  Mourinho knew exactly what he was doing, he knew the stewards would hold him back so that he didn't have to actually DO anything, but he also knew that this would become the story,  not that his team were mostly outplayed, dominated and got lucky with their two shots on target.

How José behaves is one thing. How we behave to the visiting team is another. You can’t incite a riot, but more than that the coaching stuff are expected to behave both professionally  and with respect. It’s not about José its about us. 

 

And yeah that that makes me a stuck up wuss that can’t appreciate a good tongue wiggle. I get it. 

Edited October 24, 20187 yr by ozboy

9 hours ago, PloKoon13 said:

Mourinho was our manager for the first time fourteen years ago. You'd think we, as a fanbase, would have learnt how he behaves by now. 

He has always said or done this kind of petulant nonsense, even when he still had his machismo and his mojo. To hate or insult him now for doing the exact same thing while at a different team a decade-and-a-half later is frankly ridiculous. Actually engaging with the points he makes is entirely pointless. 

The majority of chelsea fans loved his behaviour when he was in charge and it was at someone's else's expense while we were winning trophy after trophy.

i understand why his digs since joining Utd may have pissed people off, although I think a lot of what he says should be taken with a pinch of salt...but he remains our most successful manager and I doubt his record will ever be beaten...that is worthy of respect imo.

12 hours ago, ozboy said:

How José behaves is one thing. How we behave to the visiting team is another. You can’t incite a riot, but more than that the coaching stuff are expected to behave both professionally  and with respect. It’s not about José its about us. 

 

And yeah that that makes me a stuck up wuss that can’t appreciate a good tongue wiggle. I get it. 

No riots were incited.  One self-publicising individual took advantage of a situation to deflect press speculation away from his team's performance.  That is all that happened.  The entire bench, team and stadium were celebrating in the same manner.  Mourinho didn't react at all when Ianni ran past him first, and made gestures much physically closer to him.  BUT, he then a chance to think so created his faux-outrage when Ianni came back past him, when, from what I saw on many, many replays on the telly, Ianni didn't actually say or do anything much.

It was all me, me, me panto from Mourinho, which achieved its aim, and moved the Sky/MOTD/Press agenda away from just how sh*te he has become.  My biggest regret is that the stewards didn't let him physically confront Ianni and let that play out.  THEN, we'd have had a story.

Edited October 25, 20187 yr by yorkleyblue

13 hours ago, The Brit said:

The majority of chelsea fans loved his behaviour when he was in charge and it was at someone's else's expense while we were winning trophy after trophy.

i understand why his digs since joining Utd may have pissed people off, although I think a lot of what he says should be taken with a pinch of salt...but he remains our most successful manager and I doubt his record will ever be beaten...that is worthy of respect imo.

But as many of us have touched on in the separate Mourinho thread, the respect he earned is bit by bit being eroded away. 

There still seem to be a few (not many, but a few) Chelsea supporters who think that Mourinho remains beyond criticism because of what he achieved back in the day. But for me, he's like a cat running out of lives. Sure, we'll always be grateful for what he did here but I find it very hard to offer any respect to a guy who behaves as he does. I was never a massive fan of his behaviour when he was our coach, but back then he did it with some humour and some swagger. Now he's just constantly sniping and being bitter and living on past glories and as much as we'll always have the memories of the good times, the respect is pretty much lost.

  

On ?24?/?10?/?2018 at 05:26, robdog said:

 

I never saw the match stats & the talking heads never said anything about these stats either - all I heard/saw was how unlucky manure were

Proper Eng media scum.......whats there to expect when your Chels? Absolutely nothing.......does not matter if we do well or are Lucky, we are having it up the arse either way. Thats End media for you.

On 20/10/2018 at 22:29, Scott said:

Yeah and Lampard is Derby manager should we hate him as well?

1. I was talking about some other guy's comment saying that "Mou is the face of modern Chelsea". the same Mou who's currently the manager of our biggest rival in the "modern days". nothing to do with hate or anything
2. did you seriously just compared Derby friggin County with Manchester United, our biggest rival in the last one and a half decade or so?