Just now, Slojo said:

No problem, but we need to be serious here. 

If this was Liverpool we know their fans would be defending it, Exhibit A: The Suarez T-Shirts. We called them out on that, how can we defend this? It's that sort of tribal nonsense that showcases the blatant hypocrisy of clubs & supporters. I didn't like how Arsenal fans (particularly Piers Morgan) were celebrating Wenger assaulting Jose in the technical area. That was totally classless, but if you slammed Wenger and Arsenal supporters for that and you're fine with one of our coaches trying to wind up Jose after he conceded a goal at the very end you're a hypocrite, it's that simple. 

We're better than this and we should know that's not the right thing to do, I hope our club apologises to Jose and takes action against that Assistant. 

What exactly is so "tribalism" if I may ask? That a staff member celebrated close to Jose or that he wanted to fight him?
Remember when Conte was happy after a 4:0 and Jose came to him and told him not to celebrate too much? It's all about Jose's BIG EGO there nothing else, he has been talking s**t about Chelsea ever since he got sacked and he can't handle it, he once said that he would be ashamed to win Europa League because it's for small clubs (back when Benitez won it with Chelsea), you really believe that his reaction was justified but that somehow the staff that celebrated is worse? If you really think that Jose has class, then he should have reacted in a different way after a bad gesture of a staff member, period!

Just now, Brutos said:

We really need to take a step back and realised we are 4 months in with a new manager new system new philosophy. No matter how bad United were before this game they will turn up for the big matches.

Spurs, Liverpool, city and United have been with their respective managers minimum two seasons.

People are acting like Sarri isn't aware of our deficiencies which is why he continues to tell us we are below City and pool.

It's a great position to be in, nobody can dispute that. 

People are just annoyed that we made two silly mistakes, you can say it's hindsight but look at this thread from the very beginning, everyone was saying Willian & Morata need to come off halftime, anybody could see that. Keeping them both on for so long did nothing for us, add into the factor that we got 2 years of this under Conte, particularly his 2nd season where he would just keep underperforming players on until a predictable sub in the 70th minute and then two more past 80 which a lot of the time wasn't necessary, it was really Rafa Benitez eske. 

I agree we should be more grateful but keep in mind that with the way we are playing lately expectations are bound to be higher, and ultimately we should have won this game. 

And on cue city and spurs are winning, spurs against the dross we could not score against and liverpool playing a poor huddersfield later.

Ah well some weekends are a step forward, others are two back.

Sarri is handicapped with players like Morata, Moses and Willian but he could help himself and use Odoi a bit at least.

Games can be won or lost in small moments, I felt as soon as Hazard picked up that yellow that we might pay for that given just a single goal lead.

Pundits on-line said Hazard pulled out of 50/50 on Young wisely re the card.  So Young was free-er on our left up against Alonso.

Young is often a lucky player with challenges and I think he road his luck today.

Before the second goal we had lost the midfield and Sarri brought on Ross probably in an attempt to shore it up. Ideally Giroud would have come on too.

6 minutes seems like a lot of injury time, did we get lucky there?

Two matches now Ross has been in the right spot at the right time.

 

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

What exactly is so "tribalism" if I may ask? That a staff member celebrated close to Jose or that he wanted to fight him?
Remember when Conte was happy after a 4:0 and Jose came to him and told him not to celebrate too much? It's all about Jose's BIG EGO there nothing else, he has been talking s**t about Chelsea ever since he got sacked and he can't handle it, he once said that he would be ashamed to win Europa League because it's for small clubs (back when Benitez won it with Chelsea), you really believe that his reaction was justified but that somehow the staff that celebrated is worse? If you really think that Jose has class, then he should have reacted in a different way after a bad gesture of a staff member, period!

Tribalism is never taking off your blue tinted or whatever colour your team plays in specs. People who are defending our assistant who on the replays we can see is clearly trying to provoke Jose would be going batsh*t crazy if that was Michael Carrick trying to aggravate Sarri at Old Trafford after his team just equalised in the last minute. 

Let's be realistic here, we were in the wrong for this, that bloke only represents us if we celebrate his actions, let's keep a perspective and think about what we would feel like if they did that to us. I certainly wouldn't be happy about it, particularly to a former great such as Mourinho who has done a lot for us. 

I wouldn't say Mourinho has been completely respectful to us but what did you expect? He's a winner, he does everything to gain an advantage but he's still always said good things about the club while being at United. We should always keep in mind that we sacked him, TWICE, he should be allowed to go wherever he wants, so fans slamming him for going to United need to get a perspective. I don't want to defend Jose but when we do silly things like this I have to. 

Edited October 20, 20187 yr by Slojo

It's a great position to be in, nobody can dispute that. 
People are just annoyed that we made two silly mistakes, you can say it's hindsight but look at this thread from the very beginning, everyone was saying Willian & Morata need to come off halftime, anybody could see that. Keeping them both on for so long did nothing for us, add into the factor that we got 2 years of this under Conte, particularly his 2nd season where he would just keep underperforming players on until a predictable sub in the 70th minute and then two more past 80 which a lot of the time wasn't necessary, it was really Rafa Benitez eske. 

I agree we should be more grateful but keep in mind that with the way we are playing lately expectations are bound to be higher, and ultimately we should have won this game. 

Totally understand Morata I gave up on him, Willian when he turns up is unplayable. Sarri is using what he has to the best of his ability at the moment am sure certain players will get moved on in the next two transfer windows.

Where we are now and where we were last season am happy disappointed in the result but it's another learning exercise for Sarri.

Pep had the same experience in his first season

50 minutes ago, BenCFC19 said:

No I wasn't, but I agree the start time definitely has something to do with it, though for me today was just another in a long list of disappointing SB atmospheres

It’s generally been pretty good this season for me, a few quiet nights midweek but that’s expected with the quality of opposition we’ve been facing. Today was weirdly quiet for a ‘big’ game though until the 96th minute 

 

16 minutes ago, Spiller86 said:

Interesting you say that Munkworth, I often wonder whether the effects mics are turned up more on the away supporters. On the TV for most of the second half you could only here United.

I remember reading on another forum years ago that the mics for tv are mainly around the away supporters for no apparent reason. I think it might have been brought up at a fans forum. 

Still unbeaten,top of the league and Mourhino still keeps his job at that joke of a club that'll do for me thanks..  KTBFFH!!! 

 

5 minutes ago, Slojo said:

Tribalism is never taking off your blue tinted or whatever colour your team plays in specs. People who are defending our assistant who on the replays we can see is clearly trying to provoke Jose would be going batsh*t crazy if that was Michael Carrick trying to aggravate Sarri at Old Trafford after his team just equalised in the last minute. 

Let's be realistic here, we were in the wrong for this, that bloke only represents us if we celebrate his actions, let's keep a perspective and think about what we would feel like if they did that to us. I certainly wouldn't be happy about it, particularly to a former great such as Mourinho who has done a lot for us. 

I wouldn't say Mourinho has been completely respectful to us but what did you expect? He's a winner, he does everything to gain an advantage but he's still always said good things about the club while being at United. We should always keep in mind that we sacked him, TWICE, he should be allowed to go wherever he wants, so fans slamming him for going to United need to get a perspective. I don't want to defend Jose but when we do silly things like this I have to. 

So whole Chelsea is in the wrong...but Jose can react like a tool every single time he comes to the Bridge no matter what, just because he was once our manager? He's a winner so he has the right to punch someone? If he was such a good person (which he never has been, not even while at Chelsea) he could have been the bigger person and reacted like a real manager/winner/boss but no he got down even lower, but that's fine cause he once was in Chelsea. OK.

4 minutes ago, Brutos said:

Totally understand Morata I gave up on him, Willian when he turns up is unplayable. Sarri is using what he has to the best of his ability at the moment am sure certain players will get moved on in the next two transfer windows.

Where we are now and where we were last season am happy disappointed in the result but it's another learning exercise for Sarri.

Pep had the same experience in his first season

"when he turns up" that's a big IF, and from all the evidence we have with Willians time here at Chelsea is that he does not grow into a game if he starts badly. He's best coming off the bench or starting the occasional game, he's started for us 5 times on the bounce now and I'm yet to see a good performance from him in those games (this is mostly due to Pedro being injured) but Pedro is back now and has been available throughout all the international break, there was no reason why he shouldn't have started or at least come on 30 minutes earlier than when he was brought on. 

2 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

So whole Chelsea is in the wrong...but Jose can react like a tool every single time he comes to the Bridge no matter what, just because he was once our manager? He's a winner so he has the right to punch someone? If he was such a good person (which he never has been, not even while at Chelsea) he could have been the bigger person and reacted like a real manager/winner/boss but no he got down even lower, but that's fine cause he once was in Chelsea. OK.

Am I justifying what Jose has done in the past? No.

You're just trying to deflect this to suit your narrative, the evidence is there, our assistant for no good reason tried to rile him up on two occasions. It's completely inappropriate and if we defend this we can't exactly get angry when Jose acts like a pratt? Two wrongs don't make a right. 

some interesting thoughts about Jose's action on the equalizing goal

Must say I was totally pissed when Alonso was on the ground - why didn't Dean stop the match? - then Dean proceeds to stop the match when Rashford is on the ground wasting time - 6 minutes of injury time? Not sure if it was warranted, but I will take it - The only thing I will take away from this match is the fact that Chelsea are still unbeaten in all competitions 

Just now, Slojo said:

Am I justifying what Jose has done in the past? No.

You're just trying to deflect this to suit your narrative, the evidence is there, our assistant for no good reason tried to rile him up on two occasions. It's completely inappropriate and if we defend this we can't exactly get angry when Jose acts like a pratt? Two wrongs don't make a right. 

I already understood your position, it was totally fine and proper reaction of a manager to try and punch someone in an away game. OK. Fergie would never react like that, he had more class than Jose ever will.

Slow and too casual in the first half despite the goal; had we stopped strolling around and played with some intensity we might have killed the game off.  For the most part in the 2nd half we were abysmal and lost the plot until the 96th minute.  Still only 9 games in, early days and we are in the top half of the table which is more than anyone, even the club, expected.  Perhaps where we are in the league at this early stage is a false position, lets see where we are by Christmas and hopefully Santa will place a nice new shiny striker under the tree..

 

2 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

I already understood your position, it was totally fine and proper reaction of a manager to try and punch someone in an away game. OK. Fergie would never react like that, he had more class than Jose ever will.

Ferguson? Class? Are you sure about that one? 

Props to both Rudiger (twice) and Ross for being in the right place at the right time.

Our midfield needs an in form Barkley and his cutting edge. Sarri should consider him a starter.

Just now, Slojo said:

Ferguson? Class? Are you sure about that one? 

Did he ever try to punch anyone from Chelsea's staff in 20 years? Did he ever try to tell a Chelsea manager not to celebrate in front of his own fans after the win against him? Thank you.

5 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Did he ever try to punch anyone from Chelsea's staff in 20 years? Did he ever try to tell a Chelsea manager not to celebrate in front of his own fans after the win against him? Thank you.

Ferguson would attempt to bully every single referee if he never won a game, he also used to get into heated altercations all the time on the touchline whenever a game wouldn't go his way. The thing is with Ferguson is that he won so much we never used to see the bad side of him that much, but when he used to lose all the dark side of him came out, he was also trying to fight Mancini on the touchline when his team were 1-0 down at Old Trafford to City. Ferguson has absolutely no class whatsoever. 

Then later made a book calling the likes of Gerrard average and all the players he's had a history with terrible taking 0 responsibility whatsoever. 

Edited October 20, 20187 yr by Slojo

7 minutes ago, robdog said:

some interesting thoughts about Jose's action on the equalizing goal

Must say I was totally pissed when Alonso was on the ground - why didn't Dean stop the match? - then Dean proceeds to stop the match when Rashford is on the ground wasting time - 6 minutes of injury time? Not sure if it was warranted, but I will take it - The only thing I will take away from this match is the fact that Chelsea are still unbeaten in all competitions 

Alonso wasn't injured, as soon as the ball went in, he got up. I've no time for any player who feigns injury including our own. He isn't the first to do it and neither will he be the last. A lesson to be learned for Marcos.

Just now, Slojo said:

Ferguson would attempt to bully every single referee if he never won a game, he also used to get into heated altercations all the time on the touchline whenever a game wouldn't go his way. The thing is with Ferguson is that he won so much we never used to see the bad side of him that much, but when he used to lose all the dark side of him came out, he was also trying to fight Mancini on the touchline when his team were 1-0 down at Old Trafford to City. Ferguson has absolutely no class whatsoever. 

In comparison to Jose, still could teach him about class, which is my point. I didn't like Jose's personality and behavior back in 2005 and I don't like it now so I won't be the one justifying him here, a manager should know better not to try and punch someone like a drunk from a pub, even if this guy celebrated in front of him, ffs he was a Chelsea manager and would easily confront someone from Chelsea in that way without thinking...Pfffff  

1 minute ago, charierre said:

Alonso wasn't injured, as soon as the ball went in, he got up. I've no time for any player who feigns injury including our own. He isn't the first to do it and neither will he be the last. A lesson to be learned for Marcos.

but when Rashford goes down he wasn't either - so I don't get Dean's decision at all - he is supposed be unbiased but for me that isn't the act of an unbiased field judge - so almost in consecutive weeks we saw Khabib Nagamendov go after a coach for Conor McGregor & now Jose going after a Chelsea coaching staff member - so the next step in this evolution is this

1 hour ago, magichat said:

newsflash: he's currently United's manager

Yeah and Lampard is Derby manager should we hate him as well?

Frustrating game to be honest. Second half wasn't good enough. Alonso was pathetic. Lying on the floor while United attacked around him. Play to the f**king whistle. Ridiculous. David Luiz made a poor defensive decision for their second goal too.

 

That said, it's a bit of the opposite to the Liverpool game. The late goal went in our favour and made a draw feel more like a win (rather than Liverpool's goal making a draw feel like a loss). Still, we should have won.

 

I am dissapointed with our coach's actions too. I thought we were making moves to be more dignified, but what he did was unnecessary. (then again Mourinho's a hypocrite)

2 minutes ago, Scott said:

Yeah and Lampard is Derby manager should we hate him as well?

Is he managing a direct rival, and has he taken shots at the club and the fans since leaving?

7 minutes ago, Zeta said:

Is he managing a direct rival, and has he taken shots at the club and the fans since leaving?

+ Jose did this in front of Chelsea fans

If you want to support that BS, then go ahead - for me I am done with him - I will show the respect Jose deserves for the 3 titles but starting w/ the firing of Dr Carneiro, he lost me as a fan

Edited October 20, 20187 yr by robdog