I'm so confused with this ST argument. Who is this world class striker all these pundits and news outlets are saying we should've got?

Edited September 4, 20232 yr by Sconnie Blue

6 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Yours for £150m each and the replacements are Santos and Casadei.

It's a genius strategy LOL

Depends whether they play nicely or decide to take the Lukaku approach.

7 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I'm so confused with this ST argument. Who is this world class striker all these pundits and news outlets are saying we should've got?

Victor Oshiman the most common name.

Personally I wanted us to sign Mitrovic. PL proven, a leader and a horrible tw@t that woild have served us well, and taken the pressure off Jackson and Broja.

1 minute ago, axman2526 said:

Victor Oshiman the most common name.

Personally I wanted us to sign Mitrovic. PL proven, a leader and a horrible tw@t that woild have served us well, and taken the pressure off Jackson and Broja.

De Laurentiis rejected a £120m offer from Al Hilal in July, with reports suggesting Napoli would only sell Oshimen for something close to £150m. 

Mitrovic would've been a good shout but do we really want a 29 year old back up striker for £50m? 

20 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

De Laurentiis rejected a £120m offer from Al Hilal in July, with reports suggesting Napoli would only sell Oshimen for something close to £150m. 

Mitrovic would've been a good shout but do we really want a 29 year old back up striker for £50m? 

I agree, it is difficult to find good strikers at the moment for a reasonable price. Mitrovic did well enough at Fulham but has a lot of disciplinary issues and undoubtedly found it easier playing in a team that wasn't constantly up against the defensive block.

In the short term we could have considered somebody like Dybala from Roma perhaps? Or even since we were doing business with Newcastle we could have tried for Callum Wilson as part of the Hall deal. Maybe not as exciting as some targets but he has a decent scoring record in the PL.

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Who is this world class striker all these pundits and news outlets are saying we should've got?

Thomas Müller 😅

37 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

De Laurentiis rejected a £120m offer from Al Hilal in July, with reports suggesting Napoli would only sell Oshimen for something close to £150m. 

Mitrovic would've been a good shout but do we really want a 29 year old back up striker for £50m? 

He would have been first choice not a back up imo.

I dread us paying out a fortune for a striker.

Then the media clocking up how many minutes he has failed to score.

55 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

I dread us paying out a fortune for a striker.

Then the media clocking up how many minutes he has failed to score.

I reckon Boehly and his buddies felt the same way, which is why we spent like drunk sailors on every other positions, but only signed a promising young striker in Jackson. There aren't many elite strikers on the market, but we don't even need elite strikers, just good ones who could score 10-15 a season will be an improvement. Who cares if the striker doesn't score many goals, as long as the team is getting more points.

3 hours ago, forbzy said:

A classic example of new owners rebuilding an entire company in their own style, even if the scale of rebuild wasn't needed. Happens a lot in the corporate world and it often not successful. I think that most of the issues we are seeing right now come from the original disastrous decisions that were made in the first 6 months of their ownership, on top of the previous season year where we spent much of the time unsure whether the club even had a future. I think it will take a few years before we really know whether the strategy of the new owners works. But until then I doubt we are going to see a lot of success on the field, and it remains to be seen how lack of European football will affect things. Beyond the obvious financial rewards there is no doubt that some of the better players will start to get disgruntled if they don't see signs of improvement.

Let's not forget the employment double standards as well.

Working for an american owned company i cannot express the amount of overkill that we get regarding DEI awareness and championing positive action.

Wonder how my lot would sell a policy of only employing people aged 25 and under.

Lbh on here Bully & Clearlake are minted muppets with a plan that come hell or high water they’re going to pursue

they could t give a monkeys bout us the real fans as we sit and watch our beloved club transformed into something that a lot of us just don’t understand the need to 

to some young kids around the globe plugged into online media platforms a soulless club focusing on player personalities not competing on the pitch for trophies is a gas.  Pas moi

so why are we all debating and bickering over their strategy. It doesn’t matter because long term they aim to transfer our traditions into a gravy train of profit for their investment backers and potentially jeoprdize the clubs future in doing so.
 

If poch can get a run going fair enough most of us will come onside. I’ll always support Chelsea because the club has given me so much joy for donkeys despite these septics taking over but never because of them or their brave new football world vision 

 

9 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

De Laurentiis rejected a £120m offer from Al Hilal in July, with reports suggesting Napoli would only sell Oshimen for something close to £150m. 

Mitrovic would've been a good shout but do we really want a 29 year old back up striker for £50m? 

Yes. We want somebody that  can score goals that gives the rest of the team belief that the style and formation works and gets us results.

Why would we not want a player in his prime years when we have spent nigh on 200m on players that have no evidence of actually even being regular pros at the top level ultimately. 

13 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

TalkSport will praise our recruitment after a win and then after a defeat they'll go back to calling it scattergun. 

TalkSport. A fountain of populist drivel.

13 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I'm so confused with this ST argument. Who is this world class striker all these pundits and news outlets are saying we should've got?

Nobody had an inkling of this even before we bought Jackson.

And people are still telling us to get another forward, who?? Jackson IMO was still a clever pick. Last game aside, I think he's got a lot of potential and he clicks with the team, give him time. 

I don't think we need another forward, what we need to do is start playing more with the attackers we currently have. 

https://onefootball.com/editorial/38165142?language=en

Glad the club is getting called out on the mess in the middle of the park. I still don’t understand the thinking in signing Ugochukwu, Lavia & Caicedo in 1 summer, when you already have Andre Santos (now on loan) & still trying to pay £20m for another CM.
My only thinking is they have seen Caicedo & Rice go for £100m+ and want a piece of it. That might only happen if these players are starting regularly & the club is competing.

Edited September 5, 20232 yr by ducavis

I don't think we need a world class striker. Jackson imo is good enough if you pair him with somebody like Nkunku. I see him as a Firmino type striker. Really valuable if you surround him with goal scorers, but not enough of a goal threat (yet?) to be the main goal scorer. (In form) Sterling and Nkunku together with Jackson could be lethal.

6 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

Yes. We want somebody that  can score goals that gives the rest of the team belief that the style and formation works and gets us results.

Why would we not want a player in his prime years when we have spent nigh on 200m on players that have no evidence of actually even being regular pros at the top level ultimately. 

You may have a point, but Mitrovic was playing in a Fulham side with zero pressure and in a counter attacking set up. Not a given his output would translate here, and at 29 years old for £50m we'd be expecting immediate contributions. 

Although I find it difficult to compete against £400kpw that Al Hilal were offering. 

20 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

There wasn't much wrong with the club when Todd bought us.

A few things needed attention and that was all.

Instead we saw an almost immediate destruction of everything that made the club work. Then , without any knowledge of the game we see lavish outlays on players, new managers and their backroom staff, .

And it continues.. A gradual transition wasn't on their agenda, years of  stability thrown away within weeks 

 

 

Just because there's problems now doesn't mean there wasn't also problems when we were breaking transfer records on Lukaku and Kepa.

18 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I'm so confused with this ST argument. Who is this world class striker all these pundits and news outlets are saying we should've got?

Who even buys established strikers in the Prem and it actually work?

Liverpool - focal point in their prime was Salah and Mane, both signed for about what we paid for Jackson and neither were world beaters when signed. Firmino was a relatively unknown entity signed to supply them. 

Utd - Rashford came through the academy and is their biggest threat. Ronaldo, Cavani, Lukaku, Ibra, Falcao etc. all ultimately failed one way or another. Jury is out on Holjund.

City - Only team to have done it with Haaland. A player of Haaland's ability isn't joining Chelsea though when Madrid and City want them.

Arsenal - Saka is an academy player and Martinelli cost pennies. Jesus was their big money signing up top and he's scored 12 goals in 35 games for them. Not exactly setting the world alight, even still only cost £45m.

Spurs - Kane was an academy player. Son cost £22m and Richarlison, their big money signing, is dog sh*t.

I don't understand this weird obsession pundits have that we should have gone out and spent huge on an established number 9. We did that with Torres, Morata, Lukaku etc. and they all failed. Jackson could end up scoring 30 goals this season or score 10 and offer more with his link up. Either way, i'd take either over having to watch another striker come in for big money, whether that be Osimhen or whoever, and see them struggling to even control a ball in the Prem. 

 

TL;DR: people have shiny toy syndrome.

2 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Who even buys established strikers in the Prem and it actually work?

Liverpool - focal point in their prime was Salah and Mane, both signed for about what we paid for Jackson and neither were world beaters when signed. Firmino was a relatively unknown entity signed to supply them. 

Utd - Rashford came through the academy and is their biggest threat. Ronaldo, Cavani, Lukaku, Ibra, Falcao etc. all ultimately failed one way or another. Jury is out on Holjund.

City - Only team to have done it with Haaland. A player of Haaland's ability isn't joining Chelsea though when Madrid and City want them.

Arsenal - Saka is an academy player and Martinelli cost pennies. Jesus was their big money signing up top and he's scored 12 goals in 35 games for them. Not exactly setting the world alight, even still only cost £45m.

Spurs - Kane was an academy player. Son cost £22m and Richarlison, their big money signing, is dog sh*t.

I don't understand this weird obsession pundits have that we should have gone out and spent huge on an established number 9. We did that with Torres, Morata, Lukaku etc. and they all failed. Jackson could end up scoring 30 goals this season or score 10 and offer more with his link up. Either way, i'd take either over having to watch another striker come in for big money, whether that be Osimhen or whoever, and see them struggling to even control a ball in the Prem. 

 

TL;DR: people have shiny toy syndrome.

I don't think we need an expensive number 9, I just think we need a different profile that's going to hit the ground running and can come off the bench and cause problems. It eases the pressure off Jackson and gives him time to develop.

Bring back Giroud.

It just seems that any player over 25 is kryptonite to the ownership.

I mean Ivan Toney is the most obvious answer but he shows signs of a gambling addict and Brentford are quoting £80m for him. 

I think come January if we are still struggling with Jackson/Broja we should make a move for Mehdi Taremi. Would be a good a short-term fix and relatively cheap. 

5 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I mean Ivan Toney is the most obvious answer but he shows signs of a gambling addict and Brentford are quoting £80m for him. 

I think come January if we are still struggling with Jackson/Broja we should make a move for Mehdi Taremi. Would be a good a short-term fix and relatively cheap. 

His podcast appearance recently was a concern. He was seeking to mitigate the gambling situation by saying he hadn't bet on Brentford, going on to suggest it was all part of a conspiracy to keep him out of the England team. There's patently an addiction and those sorts of noises don't bode well.  

3 hours ago, Argo said:

Just because there's problems now doesn't mean there wasn't also problems when we were breaking transfer records on Lukaku and Kepa.

Hi mate . Of course there were problems , but none that needed the immediate complete destruction of the old regime.

A gradual, planned change would have been better.

Every club has problems, I agree, but you surely don't think our present position is the same as before Todd ?

2 hours ago, Sheva said:

I don't think we need an expensive number 9, I just think we need a different profile that's going to hit the ground running and can come off the bench and cause problems. It eases the pressure off Jackson and gives him time to develop.

Bring back Giroud.

It just seems that any player over 25 is kryptonite to the ownership.

Someone on the radio said the club vetoed a move for Maddison because he doesn't fit the player profile that they want. ( under 25)

He's 26

True ?  Wouldn't be a surprise 

Just now, The Rising Sun said:

Someone on the radio said the club vetoed a move for Maddison because he doesn't fit the player profile that they want. ( under 25)

He's 26

True ?  Wouldn't be a surprise 

The age limit thing has been doing the rounds without a single credible source. Someone on the radio? QED.