Have heard it said our owners look at signing players only purley on a financial basis.

Spreading the cost, only 25 years or younger, incentive based wages making them easier to sell compared to lukaku and Ziyech etc.

Focus only on the future, ignoring the present.

26 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Have heard it said our owners look at signing players only purley on a financial basis.

Spreading the cost, only 25 years or younger, incentive based wages making them easier to sell compared to lukaku and Ziyech etc.

Focus only on the future, ignoring the present.

It's not an incorrect assessment I would say.

I'm no authority but having analysed their approach to sales, contract renewals, and purchases it's obviously panning to a model that is working to a 10 year plan to shed underperforming assets, look for growth in new assets, realise profits from those new assets and re-assess strategy to rinse and repeat, change strategy or cut losses and sell.

This is my genuine belief and why they have agressively changed things in less than 2 full seasons, spending a sh*t load of money on the way (even though they didn't need to spend all the money that Roman said they had to invest in such a short time )with no significant experienced big money signing as there is no value to be realised from those sorts and hence doesn't align with the strategy of shedding underperforming or no growth assests.

Key word assets, as they see the players and clubs that way. As investment types, there is no emotional string here, simply business and it is what it is.

1 hour ago, abister1 said:

It's not an incorrect assessment I would say.

I'm no authority but having analysed their approach to sales, contract renewals, and purchases it's obviously panning to a model that is working to a 10 year plan to shed underperforming assets, look for growth in new assets, realise profits from those new assets and re-assess strategy to rinse and repeat, change strategy or cut losses and sell.

This is my genuine belief and why they have agressively changed things in less than 2 full seasons, spending a sh*t load of money on the way (even though they didn't need to spend all the money that Roman said they had to invest in such a short time )with no significant experienced big money signing as there is no value to be realised from those sorts and hence doesn't align with the strategy of shedding underperforming or no growth assests.

Key word assets, as they see the players and clubs that way. As investment types, there is no emotional string here, simply business and it is what it is.

The odd ones out are Enzo and Caicedo imo.

Maybe if Enzo tears it up Real might pay 150mill for him, however their midfield appears sorted for many years.

I don't see anyone paying as much as we paid for Moises even if he becomes a Kante level players.

Everyone else, even Mudryk, they could sell at a profit IF they become top, top players.

Enzo and Caicedo seem players you sign to try and improve an already top side, as Real were linked to with Enzo instead of Jude before our January move and Caicedo with Liverpool.

 

They don't seem sensible from a money point of view. It would make more sense had the owners capped Winstanley and Stewart with no more than 60mill per player.

Lots of criticism of our board but this is an excellent addition to the stadium. 
 

 

 

 

So who is that on? If is training issues is it Pochettino and his team, the medical side, or both.

21 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

So who is that on? If is training issues is it Pochettino and his team, the medical side, or both.

We used to list a couple of fitness coaches as staff members on chelseafc.com (Matt Birnie and Will Tulloch) ... and looking at it today they aren't on there any more ... so maybe that's your answer LOL

Take it with a grain of salt. 

I would love to see a list of injuries Premier League teams have suffered over the past 5 years season by season. Because I bet we would be right there, definitely the worst out of the top 6. 

20 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

I would love to see a list of injuries Premier League teams have suffered over the past 5 years season by season. Because I bet we would be right there, definitely the worst out of the top 6. 

In fairness we're not a top 6 club now and definitely don't have a top 6 squad.

Not surprising we're getting more injuries when other clubs are signing players that have been consistently fit for years and we've got injury prone players and are signing players who's bodies are still developing and in cases like Fofana and Madueke players that had poor injury records before joining us.

13 hours ago, Victor90 said:

I would love to see a list of injuries Premier League teams have suffered over the past 5 years season by season. Because I bet we would be right there, definitely the worst out of the top 6. 

Agree.

 

Edited September 20, 20232 yr by Kev56

15 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Take it with a grain of salt. 

Even less significant than the proverbial 'pinch' then 👍

15 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Take it with a grain of salt. 

Come on, surely everyone knows Ed Hodges has all the insight....top top injury fella that guy...TOP TOP.....

On 18/09/2023 at 15:13, abister1 said:

It's not an incorrect assessment I would say.

I'm no authority but having analysed their approach to sales, contract renewals, and purchases it's obviously panning to a model that is working to a 10 year plan to shed underperforming assets, look for growth in new assets, realise profits from those new assets and re-assess strategy to rinse and repeat, change strategy or cut losses and sell.

This is my genuine belief and why they have agressively changed things in less than 2 full seasons, spending a sh*t load of money on the way (even though they didn't need to spend all the money that Roman said they had to invest in such a short time )with no significant experienced big money signing as there is no value to be realised from those sorts and hence doesn't align with the strategy of shedding underperforming or no growth assests.

Key word assets, as they see the players and clubs that way. As investment types, there is no emotional string here, simply business and it is what it is.

The point that has been missed as part of this strategy is the cost benefit of having some experienced pros included as well. Very few of us have the luxury of treating our cars as profitable assets, yet we still buy cars. Some of us will invest very little and will therefore have runaround bangers that ultimately just don't cut it when most needed, but most of us have new or pretty new cars even though we know, through cash or finance, we are never recovering that money. But the benefit is deemed worth the outlay.

Employing a 28-30 (28 = old, fck me!) year old player that may not continue to rise in value (but will still retain some residual value) will still provide a benefit to the team above the overall cost. In simple terms, Bayern pay 100m for Kane and in two years they sell him for 70m (if he continues to be successful, and why wouldn't he?) its cost them 30m but if they win the Champions league and he scores the winning goal then it is money well spent. Plus their younger players get to learn important skills and assets drawing on his experience.

Robert Lewandowksi is 35 years old and is a better player in his position than any player we have in our squad not only up front but players in their own positions as well. Having a player of this ilk (I'm not saying him specifically), playing in our side cannot help but add experience and quality to a young group that has no conception currently of what adversity looks like in this league, let along how to get out of it. What tools does a bright talent like Ugochukwu draw upon when we are 14th and playing teams in the bottom three whose midfielders are as good and probably better than the top 2 or 3 teams in France. He would have only played against a Verratti (substitute any main PSG midfielder) twice a year, now he is dealing with this and better quality every week.

The youth is great and if we can steer our way through the future does look exciting but some experience now would have bound this together to make that future more of a reality, IMO

It's the business model Boehly and his people work with, and good luck to them ( and us) it will work out in a few years time, or we will be in deep trouble both on and off the field ( already plenty of warning signs). Every season we miss out on CL, we aren't regarded as a and big European team the lost revenues. Our upfront cost are astronomical, forget about the 100M signings, those 20M+ deals on potentials quickly add up to marquee signing values

Does MU also have an American way of conditioning players? They also have 12 players out on injuries and Ten Haag said he's never had his preferred starting 11 during his time at Utd at hand due to injuries. Should we maybe trust some traditional European methods in this area? 

22 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

The point that has been missed as part of this strategy is the cost benefit of having some experienced pros included as well. Very few of us have the luxury of treating our cars as profitable assets, yet we still buy cars. Some of us will invest very little and will therefore have runaround bangers that ultimately just don't cut it when most needed, but most of us have new or pretty new cars even though we know, through cash or finance, we are never recovering that money. But the benefit is deemed worth the outlay.

Employing a 28-30 (28 = old, fck me!) year old player that may not continue to rise in value (but will still retain some residual value) will still provide a benefit to the team above the overall cost. In simple terms, Bayern pay 100m for Kane and in two years they sell him for 70m (if he continues to be successful, and why wouldn't he?) its cost them 30m but if they win the Champions league and he scores the winning goal then it is money well spent. Plus their younger players get to learn important skills and assets drawing on his experience.

Robert Lewandowksi is 35 years old and is a better player in his position than any player we have in our squad not only up front but players in their own positions as well. Having a player of this ilk (I'm not saying him specifically), playing in our side cannot help but add experience and quality to a young group that has no conception currently of what adversity looks like in this league, let along how to get out of it. What tools does a bright talent like Ugochukwu draw upon when we are 14th and playing teams in the bottom three whose midfielders are as good and probably better than the top 2 or 3 teams in France. He would have only played against a Verratti (substitute any main PSG midfielder) twice a year, now he is dealing with this and better quality every week.

The youth is great and if we can steer our way through the future does look exciting but some experience now would have bound this together to make that future more of a reality, IMO

Good assessment, totally agree but what I think you have left out is, American sports in my opinion and its teams are less reliant on keeping a particular experienced heads in a team due to the draft system.

That's a key differentiatior here and when the primary motivation is not to win things but asset growth and valuation (winning is a welcome add on and eventually might be prioritised, but at this point they are looking for growth which equates to more money down the line for them), things as important as keeping or adding experienced players to the team don't come in.

It's why Poch talked about getting a few experienced players in even though he's happy working with "kids" and why despite that their recruitment hasn't really seen any experienced heads that would fit Poch's characterisation signed yet.

It's simply been overlooked by them because where they are from and even using the sports teams they already own as points of reference, it probably doesn't matter.

14 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said:

It's the business model Boehly and his people work with, and good luck to them ( and us) it will work out in a few years time, or we will be in deep trouble both on and off the field ( already plenty of warning signs). Every season we miss out on CL, we aren't regarded as a and big European team the lost revenues. Our upfront cost are astronomical, forget about the 100M signings, those 20M+ deals on potentials quickly add up to marquee signing values

With Champions League expanding next season I imagine the financial implications of failing to qualify will only grow.

The club has announced they have lowered operating expenses of the business by over $100m a year. 

- Jose Feliciano (Clearlake Capital)

1 minute ago, Sconnie Blue said:

The club has announced they have lowered operating expenses of the business by over $100m a year. 

- Jose Feliciano (Clearlake Capital)

Should go a way to covering them lowering our annual revenue by £200m by missing out on European football year after year.

2 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

The club has announced they have lowered operating expenses of the business by over $100m a year. 

- Jose Feliciano (Clearlake Capital)

Not unexpected at all. 

Going to go down as one of the worst ownerships in football. They will be making documentaries about this. It will be titled "How to destroy 25 years of building a football club in 1 year"

Edited September 24, 20232 yr by Scott Harris

6 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

Going to go down as one of the worst ownerships in football. They will be making documentaries about this. It will be titled "How to destroy 25 years of building a football club in 1 year"

I'd love for us to be bought by the  Glazers or Levy this week.

I'm really at the point where it is anyone but Boehly he's the worst owner in the sports history it's unprecedented how a club can spend so much money and go into most games expecting to lose and having a weaker squad than the opposition on paper because they just didn't sign any actual talent with the money.

You could give Dag and Red  £200m in January and they'd finish the window with a better squad than what we've got.

Edited September 24, 20232 yr by Whats_The_Mata?

New ownership already spent over 1b. Give Roman his club back.