Luiz awful for both goals again.

Luiz? Seriously?

Try something different like what? The players aren't good enough. A formation change isn't going to help. We have played under a defensive coach, people said it was boring and we need attacking coach, we get an attacking coach and people are saying it's not good enough.
I am really confused. The top three clubs in the league have showed faith and patience in their managers. Arsenal will most likely show faith in Emery. 

Try something different like changing the system to stabilise the results then build again doing the same thing over and over expecting different results is madness. Play to your players strengths we are not a attacking team or defensive team or even a team in the middle we are just no where looking lost

3 minutes ago, brownindian said:

Do you remember when Arsenal had 2 sets of fans WENGER-OUT! fans and the WENGER-IN! fans ? The same thing is happening at Chelsea. I think one set is not going to convince of the other so it is best to just not even bother arguing.

Comparing us to Arsenal fans? Ban him mods! Ban him hard! 

Try something different like what? The players aren't good enough. A formation change isn't going to help. We have played under a defensive coach, people said it was boring and we need attacking coach, we get an attacking coach and people are saying it's not good enough.
I am really confused. The top three clubs in the league have showed faith and patience in their managers. Arsenal will most likely show faith in Emery. 

Try something different like changing the system to stabilise the results then build again doing the same thing over and over expecting different results is madness. Play to your players strengths we are not a attacking team or defensive team or even a team in the middle we are just no where looking lost

Just now, Brutos said:

Try something different like changing the system to stabilise the results then build again doing the same thing over and over expecting different results is madness. Play to your players strengths we are not a attacking team or defensive team or even a team in the middle we are just no where looking lost

Just do 1 thing different, let's give Sarri his due, he surprised us all with a rb sub , biggest shock of the season to us fans and opposition managers,

1 minute ago, Munkworth said:

Comparing us to Arsenal fans? Ban him mods! Ban him hard! 

You are just jealous 

 

In Sarri's favour - he's nearly where he wants the team to be possession wise, the rest will come over time surely..........

 

 

7 minutes ago, brownindian said:

Do you remember when Arsenal had 2 sets of fans WENGER-OUT! fans and the WENGER-IN! fans ? The same thing is happening at Chelsea. I think one set is not going to convince of the other so it is best to just not even bother arguing.

At least they got to watch good football.

Only positives for me has been Jorginho, who's been good, and Higuain who looks dangerous. Kepa and the defense looks dangerous as well, unfortunately

Am confused

Everyone on this forum knew for sure that he was going to bring on Willian for Pedro, and then Ross for Kova ... so far so bad ... but I think he signed his death warrant with the fans by bringing on a FB for an FB when we needed to do SOMETHING! 

I dont think ive ever seen a manager so stubborn in all my life. That Zappacosta substitution was the final straw. 

2 minutes ago, Brutos said:

Try something different like changing the system to stabilise the results then build again doing the same thing over and over expecting different results is madness. Play to your players strengths we are not a attacking team or defensive team or even a team in the middle we are just no where looking lost

Fair play, Brutos you have been a supporter of Sarri, but you pointed out his problem, he won't change the system, you've heard him say it time and time again....it's plan A and no Plan B until Plan A is perfected and that my friend is nowhere in the near distant future; he's a stubborn old bastard that won't adapt to this league; what may have worked in Italy clearly is not working here.  He is the only one who believes he is right while the team around him has no faith in his system which can be got and destroyed in every game.  If he stays he will surely have had the worst record in modern CFC history, with fewest goals scored and most conceded if this is allowed to continue.

I keep hearing that we have to give Sarri more time, but ALL good managers have a plan B. Sarri has had a transfer window (and a million and one loan players) to bring in more than Higuain. He must have seen that the three in the centre of the park were too passive. They have more square passes in them than forward. Years ago, I used to hear people say that about Ray (God rest his soul) but to play 3 similar players with no imagination is just ridiculous. There is sometimes a borderline between stubbornness, genius and stupidity and Sarri is most definitely falling into the latter now. The premier league is the hardest league to win and because of the quality you will get found out if you don’t adapt. He is not adapting at all and what’s most disappointing is that we are going to miss out on the top 4, not win a cup (unless he tries something different - he’s not going to) and miss out on Champs league because one of the clever European sides will see how the other teams have done it and stop us from scoring. 

Give us a plan B and something to look forward to Maurizio or get your coat.

I couldn’t fault the players efforts but I can see major flaws in your management. Show us that the supposed 9 million pounds we had to pay Napoli to get you wasn’t a waste of money!

41 minutes ago, Luca Vialli said:

How on earth did we go those fifteen games unbeaten at the start of the season? What happened?

We got found out, but just stuck with it, probably go on a 15 game losing run now.

Dont think it matters if we lose this one by 8 and to city in the final by 10. Roman is not going to act. He is not as involved and, dare I say, does not care as much anymore. Sadly the rival fans were right in predicting he would become bored with us.
I think sarri stays until we have no chance of CL next year.

Not playing in the champions league for two consecutive season? I hope the board do something fast, with a different manager we can still get top 4 and even try and win the Europa league.

13 minutes ago, ManXunited said:

55 minutes ago, The Brit said:

Have Utd ever had an easier win against chelsea?

Not at the bridge..never

Just as I suspected...damning

6 minutes ago, CFCCAN said:

Fair play, Brutos you have been a supporter of Sarri, but you pointed out his problem, he won't change the system, you've heard him say it time and time again....it's plan A and no Plan B until Plan A is perfected and that my friend is nowhere in the near distant future; he's a stubborn old bastard that won't adapt to this league; what may have worked in Italy clearly is not working here.  He is the only one who believes he is right while the team around him has no faith in his system which can be got and destroyed in every game.  If he stays he will surely have had the worst record in modern CFC history, with fewest goals scored and most conceded if this is allowed to continue.

The point being her is that there is no Plan A. I see no pattern other than possession for possession's sake. So Plan A cannot be perfected until it is started and i personally cannot see any direction

5 minutes ago, wallosh said:

2 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Dont think it matters if we lose this one by 8 and to city in the final by 10. Roman is not going to act. He is not as involved and, dare I say, does not care as much anymore. Sadly the rival fans were right in predicting he would become bored with us.
I think sarri stays until we have no chance of CL next year.

Not playing in the champions league for two consecutive season? I hope the board do something fast, with a different manager we can still get top 4 and even try and win the Europa league.

Not sure who we bring in. Maybe Eddie Howe? No probably one more run for Uncle Guus.

 

6 minutes ago, The Brit said:

Just as I suspected...damning

Have city or Bournemouth had easier wins against us in the PL era?

1 minute ago, WhiteWall said:

The point being her is that there is no Plan A. I see no pattern other than possession for possession's sake. So Plan A cannot be perfected until it is started and i personally cannot see any direction

i think you are right, Plan A is not clearly discernible other than, pass, pass,pass.    

Conte who persisted all of last season with the 3 at the back everyone knew how to play against. How is that any better?

Its better because it gave us TROPHIES!

Utter waste of 90 minutes, struggle to find a single positive from the game and suspect that Sarri's time may be up very very soon. It's a shame because by sacking him will simply cover up the mistakes of those who should be held accountable for the laughing stock that we've become.

Can somebody confirm to me who made the decision to sign Morata at £58M, Bakayoko at £40M, Drinkwater at £35M, Batshuayi at £33M, Baba Rahman £14M? There is £180,000,000 in signings over the past 3 seasons on players that are deemed not good enough to play for Chelsea. As we all know, Chelsea don't have football managers, they have a Head Coach, and it is not in their remit to sign players. So who is taking responsibility for that £180M loss? Who are the scouts that looked at them players? Are they still employed? Perhaps when Mourinho, Conte and Sarri all complain saying the club don't back them, they actually mean that transfers are made by unqualified, uneducated and incompetent individuals.

Do you honestly believe Guardiola doesn't dictate who is signed at Man City? Conte asks for a midfielder and the best the club could come up with was Danny Drinkwater and Ross Barkley. Perhaps the pundits should applaud Mourinho and Conte for their achievements, because in reality they won the league with bang average players.

Let's take Conte as an example, he came in in his first year and gave the players a chance to correct their horrendous season before by letting them start 433. As soon as he let them fail with that, he changed to his way. He played a system that caught the whole country by surprise and got the players so fit in training that we would run teams into the ground and overpower them. He protected the weak areas by playing 5 at the back, covered Alonso lack of pace by putting someone behind him, and we gathered momentum which saw us win the league. He knew that the everyone would adapt and set up differently against Chelsea the following season, so changes needed to be made. He knew the players we had were not good enough to kick on another level and therefore requested funds to buy better players. They gave him Morata and Bakayoko. Neither are world class, neither had enough history to suggest they could take us to the next level. Consequently he moans publicly saying we need better players, the weak individual we have turn on him and it becomes a shambles. We then sack him and within six months the two clowns we signed for him have been shipped out to other clubs! Looking like Conte was right.

There is clearly a fundamental issue within the club whereby there are individuals making decisions that they are not qualified to make. They are making mistake after mistake after mistake, and then you hear ludicrous comments like this is all the managers fault. What is Sarri possibly supposed to do with these players that are making constant individual errors. Did anyone see Azpi tonight, or this season in fact? Looks like someones dad playing right back, who has he got to put in to replace him? Who can he sign? Can he trust the club to sign a top draw player or will it be another Kenedy, Wallace, Baba, Luis, Zappacosta? 

I do agree that Sarri needs to adapt, doing the same things over and over again but expecting a different outcome is the definition of insanity, but you have brought in an attacking, possession based manager and given him ageing, slow, defensive minded, weak players to do it with. A group that hasn't got a single leader in it. Oh and he's got 40 players on the wage bill that are on loan that will be returning to Chelsea when the loan system changes, which will inevitably hinder his future transfer budget as they are still on the wage bill!

I suspect he will be sacked but unless there are wholesale changes within the club this will continue year on year. You cannot buy success anymore, there are too many teams at the same level financially. You have to build a process, a process that has values and principles which give you an identity. Like we used to have with Mourinho, Cech, Terry, Cole, Lampard, Drogba. We remained successful regardless who was the manager because them boys maintained the "Chelsea way", the values and principles Jose instilled in them. There is none of that at the club now, and before anyone can build something they are discarded.

Those at the top of the club Roman Abramovich and Bruce Buck need to be held accountable. They are in charge of this football club, the results do not solely lay with Mr Sarri.

Try something different like what? The players aren't good enough. A formation change isn't going to help. We have played under a defensive coach, people said it was boring and we need attacking coach, we get an attacking coach and people are saying it's not good enough.
I am really confused. The top three clubs in the league have showed faith and patience in their managers. Arsenal will most likely show faith in Emery. 

Try something different like changing the system to stabilise the results then build again doing the same thing over and over expecting different results is madness. Play to your players strengths we are not a attacking team or defensive team or even a team in the middle we are just no where looking lost

1 hour ago, WhiteWall said:

And the players are just better. Spot on Spiller

Agreed.

Same tactics, same subs same issues. 

I can honestly see that being the end of him  after tonight. Players had a go but there was just no incisiveness.

Get Frank as the Manager.

Blood Mount, CHO and Ampadu

Bring in JT and Didier as coaches and we will start to feel the same pride again as Man U are feeling now. We need that injection.  

What have we got to lose now?