19 hours ago, Boston Blue said:

If OGS had never played for United, would he be the choice to manage them from amongst all potential candidates?

Also, I think we should look at the OGS/United situation as a bit of warning to those wanting Lampard to come in after only 1 year managing at Derby.  Yes, a former legend understands his club and that can be a help.  But we can't discount the direct experience of managing personalities, play time, egos, expectations, tactics, Cup & European competitions, varying runs of form, and the day to day managing of all of these over a long season.

Agree, it would be a massive gamble and Lampard simply has to work his way there like anyone else. It's not always easy to know who will make good managers. On the surface, Lampard seems to have the attributes to be a top manager -  highly intelligent (especially compared to most footballers), solid, tactically astute etc. But i remember thinking Vialli would make a great manager based on similar attributes. It's not enough. I think we tend to underestimate how difficult it is to manage an elite football club. 

At least Lampard is learning things the hard way in the Championship. Should he get the Chelsea job in the next couple of years, at least he'd have a great understanding of the league and how to win ugly ( or pretty). As I see it, Jose burnt his bridge with the players, as soon as he's gone and Ole came in, everyone's happy and play with full motivation and work hard. With a bit of luck, they had a great run. Because of the great run they had, they even forgot they still have crappy defenders playing above their weight class. The night at Paris was their pinnacle, once they got to that, they all started to believe they are that good, motivation and  hard work are left behind in Paris. Once a couple of results gone bad, players went back to the same bad habits and they are exactly the team Jose bought up and left with.

4 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said:

At least Lampard is learning things the hard way in the Championship. Should he get the Chelsea job in the next couple of years, at least he'd have a great understanding of the league and how to win ugly ( or pretty). As I see it, Jose burnt his bridge with the players, as soon as he's gone and Ole came in, everyone's happy and play with full motivation and work hard. With a bit of luck, they had a great run. Because of the great run they had, they even forgot they still have crappy defenders playing above their weight class. The night at Paris was their pinnacle, once they got to that, they all started to believe they are that good, motivation and  hard work are left behind in Paris. Once a couple of results gone bad, players went back to the same bad habits and they are exactly the team Jose bought up and left with.

I agree.  If Lampard hadn't had the career he had with us, would he be the candidate we'd all want to manage us after what he's done at Derby?

5 minutes ago, Boston Blue said:

I agree.  If Lampard hadn't had the career he had with us, would he be the candidate we'd all want to manage us after what he's done at Derby?

Yes.

8 minutes ago, Nibs said:

Yes.

Really?  You'd choose Lampard to manage Chelsea based solely on what he's done as a manger at Derby this year?  After only 9 months as a manager in the Championship. 

8 minutes ago, Boston Blue said:

I agree.  If Lampard hadn't had the career he had with us, would he be the candidate we'd all want to manage us after what he's done at Derby?

Newcastle had a name for employing ex players as managers. 

Keegan twice, Glenn Roeder, Shearer, thousands of delirious Geoerdies flocking to St James Park upon announcement to celebrate the returning prodigal sons ( maybe not for Roeder)

Ended in tears each time. Shouldn’t let the heart rule the head in football.

Yeah if you remove the name Lampard, I don’t see anything special that he’s achieved to warrant him being mentioned as a possibly Chelsea manager. 

34 minutes ago, Boston Blue said:

Really?  You'd choose Lampard to manage Chelsea based solely on what he's done as a manger at Derby this year?  After only 9 months as a manager in the Championship. 

I've already said in one of the threads that now is too early. But still like the idea of Lamps & Jody in charge - possibly for the 2020/21 season.

Not just because he is a Chelsea legend as that would be foolish and is not a good basis to take someone on. But he has learnt from the best. He was at Chelsea for a long time - he understands what CFC is all about and he is a WINNER as well as being a highly articulate, intelligent and motivated individual. Morris worked marvels with the Academy and is the perfect No. 2. I think they have done very well with Derby this season, despite not having as strong a squad as some of the other sides and they could still make the play-offs and had good cup runs - being more than a match for PL sides.

So 100% YES, not now, but sometime and I honestly think he'd do a much better job than Sarri.

  

1 hour ago, Nibs said:

I've already said in one of the threads that now is too early. But still like the idea of Lamps & Jody in charge - possibly for the 2020/21 season.

Not just because he is a Chelsea legend as that would be foolish and is not a good basis to take someone on. But he has learnt from the best. He was at Chelsea for a long time - he understands what CFC is all about and he is a WINNER as well as being a highly articulate, intelligent and motivated individual. Morris worked marvels with the Academy and is the perfect No. 2. I think they have done very well with Derby this season, despite not having as strong a squad as some of the other sides and they could still make the play-offs and had good cup runs - being more than a match for PL sides.

So 100% YES, not now, but sometime and I honestly think he'd do a much better job than Sarri.

  

I agree not now.  But later, when he's got some more experience, and there is a history where we believe he might be ready, and the right man at the right time.

But also, the structure of the club has to be different.  It wouldn't be fair to parachute him into the position without a DoF he can work with to build something long term.  And the more impatient and fickle supporters among us are going to have to learn to give him some time to build something.

57 minutes ago, Boston Blue said:

I agree not now.  But later, when he's got some more experience, and there is a history where we believe he might be ready, and the right man at the right time.

But also, the structure of the club has to be different.  It wouldn't be fair to parachute him into the position without a DoF he can work with to build something long term.  And the more impatient and fickle supporters among us are going to have to learn to give him some time to build something.

Derby are just about in the play offs if he doesn't get them promoted and they have a poor start to next season what then?. If he leaves Derby his next job will be a sideways move Stoke or somewhere similar it certainly won't be the Chelsea job.

35 minutes ago, bluehaze said:

Derby are just about in the play offs if he doesn't get them promoted and they have a poor start to next season what then?. If he leaves Derby his next job will be a sideways move Stoke or somewhere similar it certainly won't be the Chelsea job.

Then what?  Would you think he'd be more or less qualified to manage us then?  I think we just need to think with our heads, not our hearts.

If we don't get CL football then I think he will be sacked unfortunately, which makes no sense to me personally. However, If we get a summer transfer ban and Sarri is sacked; god knows where we go from there. The way I see it, if Hazard leaves and we get a transfer ban, I would prefer not to be in the CL. I mean, what would be the point of CL football if we can't strengthen to challenge in the competition? If we get a transfer ban, It makes more sense to keep Sarri (who has experience of managing both a relegation battling side, a promotion battling side, and also top four side in Napoli.

There was talk about Steve Holland taking over if Sarri is sacked, but he's in an even worse position. He hasn't managed at the top level and has way less experience than Sarri, as well as having won nothing himself either. We need some stability at the club. If Roman really wants stability and attractive football, he needs to give Sarri time. I mean, that supposed to be the idea when Sarri was hired apparently. Doesn't make much sense to go back on that plan now. Klopp and Pochettino both have stumbling blocks in their first seasons in the PL with both Liverpool and Spurs. Both managers had to settle for places outside the top four initially, but now look at the progress both clubs (more so Liverpool) have made. 

Due to how poorly the club has been run the past few years, we are in a difficult position now. We are no longer the big dogs in the league. Some of our rivals are far better run clubs than we are, and it shows. We just have been nowhere near effective enough in the transfer market in previous seasons. What we are experiencing now is a culmination of all this. Unfortunately, Sarri has received the brunt of the frustration. Lack of youth integration, poor transfer market activity, no clear plan etc. The blame needs to fall solely at the clubs feet for the mess they have got us into. With how well run Spurs, Liverpool and City are right now, our chances of getting near the league are limited for the foreseeable future imo. It pains me to say, but it all feels like a club in regression, not progression. 

Edited April 25, 20197 yr by enigma

Lampard needs to get Derby promoted and then keep them up to be a contender as Chelsea manager. I'm sure he knows that himself.

Looking at ManU as a competitor we should be quietly pleased that Ole got the job.

1 hour ago, enigma said:

If we don't get CL football then I think he will be sacked unfortunately, which makes no sense to me personally. However, If we get a summer transfer ban and Sarri is sacked; god knows where we go from there. The way I see it, if Hazard leaves and we get a transfer ban, I would prefer not to be in the CL. I mean, what would be the point of CL football if we can't strengthen to challenge in the competition? If we get a transfer ban, It makes more sense to keep Sarri (who has experience of managing both a relegation battling side, a promotion battling side, and also top four side in Napoli.

There was talk about Steve Holland taking over if Sarri is sacked, but he's in an even worse position. He hasn't managed at the top level and has way less experience than Sarri, as well as having won nothing himself either. We need some stability at the club. If Roman really wants stability and attractive football, he needs to give Sarri time. I mean, that supposed to be the idea when Sarri was hired apparently. Doesn't make much sense to go back on that plan now. Klopp and Pochettino both have stumbling blocks in their first seasons in the PL with both Liverpool and Spurs. Both managers had to settle for places outside the top four initially, but now look at the progress both clubs (more so Liverpool) have made. 

Due to how poorly the club has been run the past few years, we are in a difficult position now. We are no longer the big dogs in the league. Some of our rivals are far better run clubs than we are, and it shows. We just have been nowhere near effective enough in the transfer market in previous seasons. What we are experiencing now is a culmination of all this. Unfortunately, Sarri has received the brunt of the frustration. Lack of youth integration, poor transfer market activity, no clear plan etc. The blame needs to fall solely at the clubs feet for the mess they have got us into. With how well run Spurs, Liverpool and City are right now, our chances of getting near the league are limited for the foreseeable future imo. It pains me to say, but it all feels like a club in regression, not progression. 

This makes sense.  But...…...

I don't agree that Sarri should stay if the ban is upheld.  He clearly feels these players can't play the way he wants.  The way to fix that is not to give him another year with essentially the same group, but less the one player who creates everything and is your leading scorer.  You could say he should use youth players, but he seemed reluctant to do that early on here, and there are more young players in our squad who have regressed (Ampadu, Christensen), than improved (Loftus-Cheek) under Sarri.  

It seems so obvious to me that we need someone who has a vision and philosophy for what Chelsea should be, and should be put in charge of executing on that plan.  Michael Emenalo had his detractors, but we've missed having someone in that position.

3 hours ago, Boston Blue said:

Then what?  Would you think he'd be more or less qualified to manage us then?  I think we just need to think with our heads, not our hearts.

You get sacked from somewhere like Derby your next job is not going to be a top club in the premier league. But saying that Steve Bruce has had countless jobs despite being a very limited manager.

12 hours ago, bluehaze said:

Derby are just about in the play offs if he doesn't get them promoted and they have a poor start to next season what then?. If he leaves Derby his next job will be a sideways move Stoke or somewhere similar it certainly won't be the Chelsea job.

That is always the gamble when you take a job like Derby. There are no guarantees. But I do think the Derby support has warmed to Frank. Even if they miss out on promotion, they are much happier with the style of football although I guess they are concerned he might be filling time before taking a bigger job. Of course Lamps could get sacked if they have a poor start next season, but I think he is held in high enough esteem not to slip down so smaller clubs. A bigger club will always be willing to take a punt on someone the calibre of Lamps and hopefully he and Jody will end up at The Bridge once they've completed their apprenticeship.

 

Frank is Frank, He will get the respect of the players, get that good feeling back within the supporters, judging by the Football Derby's been playing, he is NOT a long ball merchant. He will become Chelsea manager sooner or later, hopefully NOT when we are faced with a season long transfer fan.

17 hours ago, JM7 said:

Yeah if you remove the name Lampard, I don’t see anything special that he’s achieved to warrant him being mentioned as a possibly Chelsea manager. 

You could make a case for the Smith/Terry combo at Villa on the same basis .... oh ... no-one mentioned that yet ? LOL

Testify to eat ?. Yes while Sarri was pitting his wits against world famous clubs like Juve, AC and Inter Milan and all the pressure of the Italian media and fans Solskjaer was up against the might of Odd Grenland and Viking FK.

There is only one way to find out the better manager, let's wait till next season, both will have a preseason with there respective teams, at the end of the next season, we will see if Sarri will make us a better team simply because his team once competed against world famous clubs like Juve, AC and Inter Milan?

To be fair, Giroud on for Higuain is a change, Giroud is a different type of player, it demands a different tactic as he is more of a target man than Higuain. It wasn't Barkley on for RLC which I would have expected him to make. 
He hasn't gambled enough with subs, but that isn't something our previous managers tended to do either. 

Giroud and Morata have played together under Conte and I have seen us gone behind a team and Jose brought on two strikers from the bench and we finished the game with all three strikers on the pitch.

To be fair, Giroud on for Higuain is a change, Giroud is a different type of player, it demands a different tactic as he is more of a target man than Higuain. It wasn't Barkley on for RLC which I would have expected him to make. 
He hasn't gambled enough with subs, but that isn't something our previous managers tended to do either. 

Giroud and Morata have played together under Conte and I have seen us gone behind a team and Jose brought on two strikers from the bench and we finished the game with all three strikers on the pitch.

To be fair, Giroud on for Higuain is a change, Giroud is a different type of player, it demands a different tactic as he is more of a target man than Higuain. It wasn't Barkley on for RLC which I would have expected him to make. 
He hasn't gambled enough with subs, but that isn't something our previous managers tended to do either. 

Giroud and Morata have played together under Conte and I have seen us gone behind a team and Jose brought on two strikers from the bench and we finished the game with all three strikers on the pitch.

Personally, I think if Emery gets Arsenal to the Top 4, and I think he will, he should be a serious manager of the year candidate
Top 4 with that disaster of a Back 4 is miracle work.
 

Have got lots of admiration for him. When you also consider how many times this season he has lost Monreal, Koscielny and Bellerin to injury, and still manage to guide that team to the semi finals of the Europa league and still in contention for the top 4, you start wondering if he is getting the recognition he deserves from the media.

Solskjaer has nowhere near the CV of Sarri don't be so deluded.  

I still can't think of something Sarri has achieved in his career as a manager, winning the Carabao cup final would have change my opinion about him a little bit though.

I don’t rate Emery at all, IMO he will never be a top tier manager.

Historically, Emery cannot coach a defence properly. Sevilla regularly conceded 50+league goals a season under a him, Valencia wasn't far off from being the same too.

Arsenal conceded 46 so far, with 3 games to go they could well concede over 50, something Emery has done again.