2 minutes ago, jack_super_class said:

 Flexible with team selections, you mean rotates too much, a big reason they lost to Everton and Palace recently.?

Yeah this is fair enough. Sometimes you change things and it works, sometimes it doesn't. However in my view at the moment what Sarri is trying to do isn't always working and i think there has to be a willingness from coaches to change things every now and then. If it works then great, if not oh well at least we could say he tried something different.

 

12 minutes ago, bluehaze said:

Testify to eat ?. Yes while Sarri was pitting his wits against world famous clubs like Juve, AC and Inter Milan and all the pressure of the Italian media and fans Solskjaer was up against the might of Odd Grenland and Viking FK.

You take the piss, but...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2002/oct/04/uefa.sport7

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/7899584.stm 

I still get shivers every time I hear the name of that team...

Edited April 24, 20197 yr by PloKoon13

2 minutes ago, drjonesy1994 said:

Yeah this is fair enough. Sometimes you change things and it works, sometimes it doesn't. However in my view at the moment what Sarri is trying to do isn't always working and i think there has to be a willingness from coaches to change things every now and then. If it works then great, if not oh well at least we could say he tried something different.

 

Yeah agreed, like Monday night for example he should have put Giroud upfront alongside Higuain and took Jorginho off. 

55 minutes ago, wallosh said:

Haha, you meant Jose left United in a top four position and Solksjaer is now pulling them down from where Jose left them right?. I know very few people rate Solksjaer here because he is a former United player, but every neutral can testify to eat that he has a better CV than the world class Sarri. And if Lampard had done what he did in Norway, lots of us would be happy to give him a chance here right now.

17 minutes ago, jack_super_class said:

Yeah agreed, like Monday night for example he should have put Giroud upfront alongside Higuain and took Jorginho off. 

To be fair, Giroud on for Higuain is a change, Giroud is a different type of player, it demands a different tactic as he is more of a target man than Higuain. It wasn't Barkley on for RLC which I would have expected him to make. 

He hasn't gambled enough with subs, but that isn't something our previous managers tended to do either. 

26 minutes ago, jack_super_class said:

So my points stand, why dont they do the same stupid video for Emery? 

If I were to guess it's because Sarri has a more clearly defined "brand" of football he's trying to implement at Chelsea. 

He's bought in Jorginho and Higuain to try and replicate his Napoli team. He's stuck rigidly to 4-3-3 all season so it's easier to assess what his tactics are. 

Emery has played around with a few different formations, tried out players in a couple of different positions etc. 

Not saying one is right or wrong, just why I think they've so far decided to make a video assessing Sarri. 

46 minutes ago, drjonesy1994 said:

I wouldn't necessarily say Emery is doing a better job than Sarri

Personally, I think if Emery gets Arsenal to the Top 4, and I think he will, he should be a serious manager of the year candidate

Top 4 with that disaster of a Back 4 is miracle work.

 

1 hour ago, wallosh said:

Haha, you meant Jose left United in a top four position and Solksjaer is now pulling them down from where Jose left them right?. I know very few people rate Solksjaer here because he is a former United player, but every neutral can testify to eat that he has a better CV than the world class Sarri. And if Lampard had done what he did in Norway, lots of us would be happy to give him a chance here right now.

I think you would struggle very hard to find anyone who could even name a team Solksjaer has managed prior to United, apart from Cardiff, who he got relegated. Some CV, that.

United were hasty in giving him the full time position, and it is backfiring in front of our eyes, no idea how you are trying to present it as a success story?!

1 hour ago, PloKoon13 said:

You take the piss, but...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2002/oct/04/uefa.sport7

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/7899584.stm 

I still get shivers every time I hear the name of that team...

I  went to the first leg of that Viking match only 14,000 there as I recall. Edit 15,700 I remember the away support was in the lower east stand Gate 13 for us old boys.

Edited April 24, 20197 yr by bluehaze

1 hour ago, mclovin83 said:

I think you would struggle very hard to find anyone who could even name a team Solksjaer has managed prior to United, apart from Cardiff, who he got relegated. Some CV, that.

United were hasty in giving him the full time position, and it is backfiring in front of our eyes, no idea how you are trying to present it as a success story?!

If OGS had never played for United, would he be the choice to manage them from amongst all potential candidates?

Also, I think we should look at the OGS/United situation as a bit of warning to those wanting Lampard to come in after only 1 year managing at Derby.  Yes, a former legend understands his club and that can be a help.  But we can't discount the direct experience of managing personalities, play time, egos, expectations, tactics, Cup & European competitions, varying runs of form, and the day to day managing of all of these over a long season.

8 minutes ago, Boston Blue said:

If OGS had never played for United, would he be the choice to manage them from amongst all potential candidates?

Also, I think we should look at the OGS/United situation as a bit of warning to those wanting Lampard to come in after only 1 year managing at Derby.  Yes, a former legend understands his club and that can be a help.  But we can't discount the direct experience of managing personalities, play time, egos, expectations, tactics, Cup & European competitions, varying runs of form, and the day to day managing of all of these over a long season.

Yeah I agree with you. I wouldn’t have Lampard here yet, it’s far too soon. He’ll be sacked within a few years and that could potentially destroy his managerial career at the top. Who wants that?

I don’t think we should be looking at Lampard for a good few years, maybe give him around 5 years experience first.

Lampard is special to us, I think we should tread carefully and make sure we get the timing right, if he ever becomes that good.

56 minutes ago, Boston Blue said:

If OGS had never played for United, would he be the choice to manage them from amongst all potential candidates?

Also, I think we should look at the OGS/United situation as a bit of warning to those wanting Lampard to come in after only 1 year managing at Derby.  Yes, a former legend understands his club and that can be a help.  But we can't discount the direct experience of managing personalities, play time, egos, expectations, tactics, Cup & European competitions, varying runs of form, and the day to day managing of all of these over a long season.

I agree. As much as I love the idea of the "Dream Ticket" of Lamps & Jody taking over, it is too early.

Reminds me a bit of Hoddle doing his apprenticeship and working wonders at Swindon and getting them promoted before we took him and he started to transform things here. Like the idea of Lamps & Jody getting Derby promoted. If it's this season through the play-offs then they can continue with Derby in the PL but I suspect they will miss out this season and hopefully get Derby up next season. After then it might be the right time for them to take over and I expect they are secretly hoping Sarri remains here for another season and is just as mediocre as he has been this season, so the plan nicely comes to fruition.

Edited April 24, 20197 yr by Nibs

4 hours ago, wallosh said:

Haha, you meant Jose left United in a top four position and Solksjaer is now pulling them down from where Jose left them right?. I know very few people rate Solksjaer here because he is a former United player, but every neutral can testify to eat that he has a better CV than the world class Sarri. And if Lampard had done what he did in Norway, lots of us would be happy to give him a chance here right now.

Solskjaer has nowhere near the CV of Sarri don't be so deluded.  

 

interesting statistic if true as I know there’s quite a few who claim we wouldn’t see young players play as much under our previous managers.

4 hours ago, jack_super_class said:

Did they do the same video for Emery, Pochetinno, and even Klopp whose still has yet to win a trophy at Liverpool or they just pick on Sarri?.

Because half our fans want Sarri out. That's why it's seen as a massive problem. Even though we're at the exact same level as Arsenal this season. No one wants Emery, Pochettino or Klopp out. This channel make good videos though and seem to know a lot about Sarri's tactics.

Key Points:

1. Opposition don't always press our centre-halves because they know they like to play slowly and the "hollywood" ball barely ever creates a goal.
2. If the opposition do press high up, the combinations aren't slick enough and the ball moves out to the full backs and invites pressure down the flanks/into the corner of the pitch.
3. Players not compact enough in midfield which makes short passing combinations difficult and leaves us vulnerable to opposition attacks straight through the middle.
4. Poor movement from our players around the person with the ball. (Such a big frustration of mine this season)
5. Too much space between midfield and defence and the opposition (Man City in this case) placing players in the half spaces to exploit. The classic David Silva/Iniesta half space if you wanna call it that.
6. When losing the ball, our players are rushing to the ball too much and losing their shape, thus allowing players space to operate in.
7. 10 goals conceded from opposition set-pieces. (Zonal marking is bloody nerve wracking to watch isn't it).
8. Unwillingness to change formation has made it easy for opposition teams to prepare for our games.

I do think a lot of these can be ironed out through better players and training this pre-season. His system is meticulous and he needs it to become second nature to the players so they become confident in implementing it. Sarri does need to show a willingness to switch it up though. Like not playing 2 strikers on Monday. I just personally hope he gets the time to prove the doubters wrong. 

42 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

 

interesting statistic if true as I know there’s quite a few who claim we wouldn’t see young players play as much under our previous managers.

We only have 2 players in the squad under the age of 21 though? Ampadu probably should have played more earlier in the season but he's been injured so much. And CHO is now starting.

48 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

 

interesting statistic if true as I know there’s quite a few who claim we wouldn’t see young players play as much under our previous managers.

I feel like this is a mis-leading stat. We only have 2 players in the squad under the age of 21? Ampadu probably should have played more earlier in the season but he's been injured so much. And CHO is now starting. 

Edited April 24, 20197 yr by rtwelch

Good article on our challenges this season

https://chelseaecho.com/2019/04/24/sarriball-expectations-vs-reality/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Good article on our challenges this season

https://chelseaecho.com/2019/04/24/sarriball-expectations-vs-reality/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

The mismatch between tactics and the squad was always my key objection to hiring Sarri. Sadly because the club is run by people with little grasp of football we hired him anyway and then made little effort to build a squad that could help him be successful. The signing of Pulisic who is again a dribbler and a mismatch for Sarriball further illustrates the need for a genuine Director of Football with a proper understanding of what it takes to recruit to a make a coaches vision work on the pitch.

Edited April 25, 20197 yr by Spiller86

15 hours ago, drjonesy1994 said:

We aren't winning games convincingly are we? We haven't played anyone decent in Europe have we?

I wouldn't necessarily say Emery is doing a better job than Sarri but i would certainly say he is much more flexible with his tactics and team selections.

He goes too far the other way, he tries to be too clever and is far too cautious to the opponents and in turn just causes mass confusion.

Also his teams never have a clear identity.

Edited April 25, 20197 yr by Argo

11 hours ago, EdinburghBlue said:

 

interesting statistic if true as I know there’s quite a few who claim we wouldn’t see young players play as much under our previous managers.

The tweet hasn't been presented very well by the account holder. I'm guessing they are trying to say this is the least minutes we have given to an under 21 since 09-10.

I find that very hard to believe. Odoi's minutes alone this season I imagine trump (or come very close to doing so) any minutes for U21 in both of Conte's season's, for example. 

3 hours ago, Argo said:

The tweet hasn't been presented very well by the account holder. I'm guessing they are trying to say this is the least minutes we have given to an under 21 since 09-10.

I find that very hard to believe. Odoi's minutes alone this season I imagine trump (or come very close to doing so) any minutes for U21 in both of Conte's season's, for example. 

Maybe mate, as I say ‘if true’ as like you say, I’m not really clear on how it’s been calculated or if in fact it’s right even for the way it’s been calculated. I just thought it was worth sharing in case someone on here knew what the actual stats were for it.

5 hours ago, Argo said:

I find that very hard to believe. Odoi's minutes alone this season I imagine trump (or come very close to doing so) any minutes for U21 in both of Conte's season's, for example. 

Conte was playing Christensen pretty regularly from early on in his second season. Christensen didn't turn 22 until mid-April. 

In the title winning season I think it's just a totting up of minutes for a handful of players. Chalobah, Ake, Zouma, RCL, Aina, Kenedy. 

28 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Conte was playing Christensen pretty regularly from early on in his second season. Christensen didn't turn 22 until mid-April. 

In the title winning season I think it's just a totting up of minutes for a handful of players. Chalobah, Ake, Zouma, RCL, Aina, Kenedy. 

Ahh yeah my bad completely forgot how young AC was that season. 

6 hours ago, Spiller86 said:

Good article on our challenges this season

https://chelseaecho.com/2019/04/24/sarriball-expectations-vs-reality/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Great analysis, really liked the part about midfielder shooting from outside the box. On so many occasions, We were passing around on the edge of the box and nobody was interested t have a crack. When the opposition parked 2 lines of defenders inside the box, it's almost a no brainer to have a crack, lukcy deflection, handball, anything could happen.